My visit to The Skinwalker Ranch, 2018

a reply to: mirageman

I think Bigelow was referring to pilots giving Chase to UFOs.

There are a number of them.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

What's this BS?

Time and again, the earth has been photographed and filmed repetitively to be no other shape than a sphere.

Math and observation also shows it's a globe; or else you could see mount Everest.

The original flat Earthers were just trolls until the Bible thumpers latched on to it because of confirmation bias.

a reply to: Springer

Would someone be so kind as to direct me to a short, but inclusive read about what this is all about?

Yes i looked on the web, i found tons of stuff that would take months, if not years to read, unfortunately i don't think i can endure that. I looked at a site www.skinwalkerranch.org... but it wasn't very good at explaining the most meaningful things, it looks like you either go through a thousand sites/thread/videos or you just don't get to know what made it so special.

On the wiki page it says this has been going on for about 50 years? Yet the page is lacking in several ways, most videos i found were very specific and not direct experiences but mostly hearsay or whatever.

I'm sorry, i'm just barely getting to know about this, and i just can't read so much as it is. I just would like something shorter that explains the core of the issue. Like how did it started, how was there to document and tell it all and such, is there such a thing at all?

a reply to: Springer

Springer, one question only this time.

Does this film actually show captured footage of genuine paranormal phenomenon

A simple yes/no will suffice.

I'm thinking if there is anything to all this, and if it's still around there, it may be a lone shapeshifter; a straggler.

a reply to: reject

BS?

You should read deeper for context.

I context was that sometimes science falls short when it comes to less then material nuts and bolts phenomenon.

To be clear; the realm of "proof".

I was illustrating that even something as basic as the shape of the planet boils down to nothing more then hear-say in the final analysis. Book-learning too, is hear-say.

My point being; science often falls short in it's ability to determine what a phenomenon is in actuality.

So . . . let's keep an open mind to the possibility that things can exist outside of a science textbook.

That's all I was saying.

originally posted by: srb2001
Here's an excellent overview of the phenomenon maintained by Knapp and Elizondo:

www.hunttheskinwalker.com...

Thanks for the link and heads-up, Srb.

So...is Elizondo involved in the new & improved Skinwalker Ranch promotional venture and To The Stars?

Not that it hasn't been opined that the two business entities might be connected, but if so it's all starting to make much more sense.

The timing, concerted effort, and familiar cast of characters I mean. Nothing else about it makes much sense yet.

The Phenomenon + Active Deception article comes across a little "don't expect much in the way of proof" for your money. Jus' sayin'.

a reply to: The GUT

The Phenomenon + Active Deceptionarticle comes across a little "don't expect much in the way of proof" for your money. Jus' sayin

If that article doesn't tell people that they are outsmarted every step of the way and have no chance of acquiring absolute proof and lab specimens, well I dunno what will.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen

a reply to: skunkape23

originally posted by: skunkape23

skunkape23, what makes you mention the granite/running water?

Just an observation.
Trying to figure it out.
Strange lights in the sky. Synchronicity. Cryptids.
They happen with some regularity in these places.

Granite and running water creates a "pizo-electric"(?) effect that looks like a soft fluffy pink glow if you have the eye to see.

I haven't seen the rocks glow, but the banks of the river at one of these places has piles of rotting cypress wood. If you stomp it and break a chunk off it glows blue. Some sort of fungus I would guess.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: Ectoplasm8

So how does one scientifically prove that which is intangeable to exist when science is not up to the task?

That's something that needs to be asked of the filmmaker. No tangible evidence that can be scientifically studied, why put forth the energy? But, the lack of tangible evidence over the last 70+ years to the claimed on-Earth tangible events i.e. crashed saucers, repeated abductions of a single person, landed spacecraft, etc. puts to question the phenomena.

I think it is more public apathy than anything, there just isnt enough interest to demand an answer to sightings that even involve many witnesses.

Levelland - Several witnesses have their car shutdown due to a UFO with technology we still dont possess today, at least publicly.

Westall had several witnesses, confiscation of camera/pictures, and a cover story. Still no explanattion.

Hudson Valley - Well documented by Hynek in Night Siege, still nothing.

Belgium - Another mass sighting that local govt went public with, but still no closer to the truth.

Whether alien or no, I think most would concede these events happened and given the govt track record , thats the way its going to remain.

a reply to: skunkape23

Not quite a physical eye thing. Like the Fae folk - not quite physical. Which is why I said if you have the eye to see.

I used the term "pizo-electric" because the definition is close to what occurs. Take it a lot further in degree and one may equate the "earthquake lights" that are said to be pizo-electric in nature.

But really running water over rocks is so very soft in comparison.

To bathe in that glow seems what attracts some folk, to live in a location where it happens is also attractive to other folk.

But then there is the "territorial" aspect with the different folks.

My "Tinkerbell's" look like tinkerbell to me because they like my company and are cheeky. But when I first met them they were more dragonfly then human. An inverted dragonfly/human. Three pair of wings and two pairs of limbs on a human torso with a countenance that was not human. Their behaviour is very dragonfly. Perhaps four feet tall they are.

Perhaps some cryptid sightings are these types of "girls". Wouldn't surprise me.

Skinwalker's wolf may be of a similar folk. Her and her family are predators, yes, yet not disectors nor mutilators by nature.

There was another skinwalker's thread that had photos IR(?) showing blue pixels in the bushes. I "look" into that photo and don't like what I see there. Danger written all over that photo.

originally posted by: 111DPKING111

Levelland - Several witnesses have their car shutdown due to a UFO with technology we still dont possess today, at least publicly.

The early reports of UFOs causing car engines to stall and other various effects was definitely noted by the military:

The former Chief of the Air Force UFO Investigation, Capt. Edward J. Ruppelt, asked to comment on the 1957 reports, stated: "During my tenure with Project Blue Book we had reports of radiation and induction fields in connection with UFOs, however the information was sketchy and we were never able to pin it down."

Ruppelt characterized the 1957 electromagnetic cases a "a whole new dimension to the UFO investigation."

On November 9, 1957, while these reports were still being made, the following story was put on the Associated Press newswire:

"Washington, Nov. 9 (AP) -- A device capable of disrupting the operation of motor vehicles or other mechanical equipment is one of the things the Armed Forces would like to see developed."

www.nicap.org...

Col. John B. Alexander apparently equates--at least to some degree--non-lethal weaponry, electromagnetism, and UFOs. Here's a quote he made regarding one of my own favorite UFO cases; the 1976 Tehran UFO Incident.

In referring to instances where the UFO(s) allegedly shut-down the engines of the Iranian's fighter jets and then allowed them to restart once they--apparently--were no more threat to the UFO, Colonel Alexander states:

"I know how to shut you down, but I don't know how to turn you back on again."

ufotrail.blogspot.com...

Excerpted from: Electromagnetism, Ufos, & The Weaponization of Alien Technology

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: Ectoplasm8

I understand the frustration of not being able to get evidence. But we also have to trust sometimes.

When it comes down to it, I don't know that the earth is a ball shape. I take the word of other people that it is ball shaped and not a convex flat thing. Until someone organises me to travel to space to see it for myself, I won't know for sure. - That said, I'll say; I am not a "flat earther".

Sometimes we just have to take people's word for it. Until science can invent a camera that films the unseen, personal experience, trust or mistrust is about all we got.

Just saying that it is more fun to believe in fairies then have science prove absolutely that they don't exist.

The fairies would be very disappointed if science proved to them they do not exist : )

I think relying on trust and belief on what would be the most important discovery in human history shows a lack of understanding and meaning of that discovery. You turn it into something trite and unimportant when you can so casually accept it without the need for scientific scrutiny.

As far as comparing the argument for Earth being flat/convex to the existence of visiting aliens, I think that's a poor comparison. There is testable and repeatable evidence to prove Earth is spherical or globe shaped. There's only anecdotal evidence that ET is visiting. In order to believe ET is here you have no choice but to choose that fantasy based reasoning. You also don't need to trust solely on others telling you the Earth is round. You can do your own combined research. Watch a lunar eclipse and observe Earths shadow, take a trip to the edge of Earth and see if you drop off into oblivion, along with many other experiments I won't waste anymore time on. There's no comparison between the two arguments by example. Plus there's not even the basic foundational basis or evidence for the existence of intelligent ET from a distant solar system or galaxy to begin with.

An equal comparison is to put it in a category of similar phenomena- ghosts, bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, etc. These also rely on stories, photographs, video, and have no real supporting physical evidence for their physical claims.

Back on topic... I hope the hype doesn't turn into another Tom DeLonge situation. This is partly why the scientific community doesn't take the subject too seriously. It ends up shooting itself in the foot.

a reply to: Macenroe82

I believe that ML is in the plans for the future but I don't believe it's been set up yet, right now the huge amount of data that I know about is primarily video, radar, and sonar. Infrared, FLIR, etc...

If I remember right (it's late right now and I'm tired so I could be wrong), they are engaging or have engaged a University to help with creating tools similar to what you describe.

That said, If you're interested I can arrange an email intro between you and the science lead at the ranch. Sounds like you've done some great work that is very much aligned with their needs and circumstances. Shoot me a PM if you want to pursue it.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

I'll leave you scientists to it then.

Enjoy

a reply to: Springer

I've asked you twice whether their film shows they actually caught any paranormal activity on video.

So, I take the answer to be no.

What they have are just campfire stories then and their "reenacted dramatizations."

I'm loving this thread!

originally posted by: reject
a reply to: mirageman

I think Bigelow was referring to pilots giving Chase to UFOs.

There are a number of them.

The other spin on it (around 2010) after Bigelow's quote was that he was referring to "Colares, Brazil UFO case in 1977".

a reply to: BotheLumberJack

Like a never ending radio thriller ... !

😎

The beauty is ...

The truth will never be known ... for sure.

This started in pre biblical times.

The truth has been erased and obfuscated, re-written by victors and scorn cast by various Religions.

Maybe it is time that we set a new set of governance.

Based on us as a whole ... in 2018.

Re-evaluate !

( that will be my catch call )