Trump and Syria

originally posted by: olaru12
Bolton and Trump will eventually have their war.

Bolton is a war hawk for the war profiteers, his pattern is established and Trump will follow along.

www.politico.com...

That Bastard Bolton is probably sitting in a bunker now With McCain and Lindsey Graham and whole stack of Kleenex tissues for when they get a bit too "excited".

originally posted by: olaru12
Bolton and Trump will eventually have their war.

Bolton is a war hawk for the war profiteers, his pattern is established and Trump will follow along.

www.politico.com...

Good! If your convinced of it, maybe NK, Iran and China will be, as well.....

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Reydelsol

True.

But my elders weren't given the option to "vote" on D-Day or the attack on Iwo Jima.

Do wee attack now based on "likes" on a Facebook page?

The USA did not choose to enter that war.

Japan and Germany declared war on them. For the USA is was a war of defense.

Big difference to entering a war because you got attacked and acting as the aggressor.

originally posted by: Reydelsol

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Reydelsol

True.

But my elders weren't given the option to "vote" on D-Day or the attack on Iwo Jima.

Do wee attack now based on "likes" on a Facebook page?

The USA did not choose to enter that war.

Japan and Germany declared war on them. For the USA is was a war of defense.

Big difference to entering a war because you got attacked and acting as the aggressor.

That's a cop-out.

War is war. Battles are battles.

It doesn't matter who started it, it only matters who wins it.


All presidents have lied about battles and war.

Hell, George Washington probably bullsh#tted his troops when fighting the British.


All wars suck.




But we had better not start planning battles based on popularity.

Because that is off-the-chart ####ing stupid.

a reply to: nwtrucker

So telling a world power you are going to send missiles their way isn't a threat to national security? You think his generals appreciated that move?

a reply to: DBCowboy

But we had better not start planning battles based on popularity. Because that is off-the-chart ####ing stupid.

Don't worry, war is now big business and decided in neocon board rooms. Look who profits...there's your clue.
All the patriotic flag waving and blustery rhetoric is just icing on the cake. Remember the lead up to Afghanistan then Iraq?

They don't call it the military industrial complex for nothing...

but you pay for it, believe me....

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
Trump's most recent tweet makes me think he is reevaluating the whole scenario and may not attack at all if absolute proof isn't put forward. One can hope at least because the last thing we need is to drop more bombs. I could see him doing exactly what the MSM and war lobby wants and attack Syria, just to be condemned for it a few weeks later after proof comes out Assad didn't use the chemical weapon.


ETA: I think the best case scenario is to pull out of Syria completely and follow through on his campaign promise to stop meddling in ME wars and rebuild America. If they want to kill each other over there than so be it. It's not our say on what they do and definitely not our place to be the world police.

The only point I'd add is the original strike was on a chemical weapon storage site. That removed at least some of the weapons that whoever it was that used them. It IS interesting that Putin has claim they have complete control of all chemical weapons in Syria.

I could live with a strike on further storage site of chemical weapons, if for no other reason than to be rid of them. That's just me, though.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

When did the American government have to start justifying itself to the public before a military operation?

Hmmmm...I can't recall such a time nor a time that the Congress or Senate have justified themselves to us for anything either for that matter. Surely it's happened at least once? Maybe another cup of coffee and something will come to me.

You folk that support and join the 24/7/365 assault on Trump's full-time position of "Damned if he do, Damned if he don't" are gonna reap what you deserve. Unfortunately you bring it on all of us.

If Trump even cares to offer such a cruel public--once a Republic--to pull back on regime change and empire games and focus on the economy and stuffs, do you think you might be supportive for just this once?

For those of you who don't need any proof and are all for bombing other sovereign nations and acting like the world's policemen whose own ship don't stink---McCain Loves You!! Tools don't come any duller than that.

A Study Of History Is A Study Of Karma. It's The Great & Unerring Prognosticator. Put that in your dupe-for-the-deep state pipe and inhale deeply.

originally posted by: Reydelsol

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Reydelsol

True.

But my elders weren't given the option to "vote" on D-Day or the attack on Iwo Jima.

Do wee attack now based on "likes" on a Facebook page?

The USA did not choose to enter that war.

Japan and Germany declared war on them. For the USA is was a war of defense.

Big difference to entering a war because you got attacked and acting as the aggressor.

Small point, The U.S. declared war on Japan. Germany declared war on the U.S..

originally posted by: Reydelsol
a reply to: nwtrucker

Trump has been played like a moron it is as simple as that.

The deep-state wanted a war in Syria and Trump was going stop that by pulling out.

So a chemical attack is staged with support of the rebels with pictures of dead children as they though that will trigger trump who thinks more with emotion than logic.

And so the deepstate has got Trump dancing to there tune.

You could flip the table and say that Assad used chemical weapons to keep USA in Syria after Trump announced that USA would pull out. Syria is obviously bad business for USA, so making USA throw money down an endless hole would make sense. Another country that is interested in US staying In Syria is Israel. Israel doesent want Assad, Iran and Russia having a party on their border.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Reydelsol
a reply to: nwtrucker

Trump has been played like a moron it is as simple as that.

The deep-state wanted a war in Syria and Trump was going stop that by pulling out.

So a chemical attack is staged with support of the rebels with pictures of dead children as they though that will trigger trump who thinks more with emotion than logic.

And so the deepstate has got Trump dancing to there tune.

You could flip the table and say that Assad used chemical weapons to keep USA in Syria after Trump announced that USA would pull out. Syria is obviously bad business for USA, so making USA throw money down an endless hole would make sense. Another country that is interested in US staying In Syria is Israel. Israel doesent want Assad, Iran and Russia having a party on their border.

Take it further, Saudi Arabia is screwed in their near war with Iran if the U.S. pulls out. Europe's addiction to ME oil is threatened if the Saudis are in a losing position, as well. So is Kuwait, UAE, the list goes on.....

a reply to: nwtrucker

It's true that we're stuck in a bit of realpolitik. We've been played that way, but it remains true.

I think Israel has a right to exist (though I despise Zionism) and I think Iran (with Russia's help) does add some danger to that position.

I further think that one of the key players who are rigging the game are Zionists.

Very complicated with all answers ending in "Sucks."

What do you do in that kind of corner?

The guy kind of bothers me, but Tucker Carlson did a 5 minute piece on Syria that was pretty good.



everything about this attack stinks.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Yeah, that was a singular act of responsible media. Brave in this screwed-up world.

Thank you, Tucker...nobody else had the balls.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: nwtrucker


I think Israel has a right to exist (though I despise Zionism) and I think Iran (with Russia's help) does add some danger to that position.

Hezbollah must be in the firing line too. How can the powers take out Syria and maybe Iran too or knock em back a decade but leave Hezbollah entrenched on Israel's northern border with 100,000 plus missiles?

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Reydelsol
a reply to: nwtrucker

Trump has been played like a moron it is as simple as that.

The deep-state wanted a war in Syria and Trump was going stop that by pulling out.

So a chemical attack is staged with support of the rebels with pictures of dead children as they though that will trigger trump who thinks more with emotion than logic.

And so the deepstate has got Trump dancing to there tune.

You could flip the table and say that Assad used chemical weapons to keep USA in Syria after Trump announced that USA would pull out. Syria is obviously bad business for USA, so making USA throw money down an endless hole would make sense. Another country that is interested in US staying In Syria is Israel. Israel doesent want Assad, Iran and Russia having a party on their border.

Take it further, Saudi Arabia is screwed in their near war with Iran if the U.S. pulls out. Europe's addiction to ME oil is threatened if the Saudis are in a losing position, as well. So is Kuwait, UAE, the list goes on.....

abcnews.go.com...

Latest oil find in Bahrain is estimated at 80 bilion barrels. How is ME and Saudi Arabia oil threatened? Syria is a relatively small oil producer, accounting for just 0.5 percent of the global production in 2010.
There won't be any war between Iran and Saudi Arabia unless a WW3 breaks out, be serious.
So yeah. Chemical attack was carried out by either Jews or Assad/Putin. Of course, Saudis have an interest in US presence in Middle East. You guys are after all allies

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: nwtrucker

It's true that we're stuck in a bit of realpolitik. We've been played that way, but it remains true.

I think Israel has a right to exist (though I despise Zionism) and I think Iran (with Russia's help) does add some danger to that position.

I further think that one of the key players who are rigging the game are Zionists.

Very complicated with all answers ending in "Sucks."

What do you do in that kind of corner?

Hmmm, right to exist is determined by....existing. Losing that 'right' is achieved by ceasing to exist... As far as Zionism goes, heavily black PR'd in my view. The little knwoledge I have is it goes back to the early twentieth century that was named, 'the group with no name'... The goal was the formation of an Israeli state. Period.

'Zionist' seems to be the trash bin for any and all questionable acts by Israel. Just as 'Neocon' is the trash bin for U.S. sins. Neither is accurate, in my view.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
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But we had better not start planning battles based on popularity.

Because that is off-the-chart ####ing stupid.

I am not asking about planning battles.

I am demanding the politician who are mean to WORK for US to consult us about STARTING WARS in the first place.

Politicians start wars. The military just finish them.

If you love war so such I hope your going to sign up for Trumps crusades?

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Reydelsol

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Reydelsol

True.

But my elders weren't given the option to "vote" on D-Day or the attack on Iwo Jima.

Do wee attack now based on "likes" on a Facebook page?

The USA did not choose to enter that war.

Japan and Germany declared war on them. For the USA is was a war of defense.

Big difference to entering a war because you got attacked and acting as the aggressor.

Small point, The U.S. declared war on Japan. Germany declared war on the U.S..

Japan pretty much declared war by default with pearl Habour....... If that was not a declaration of war I don't know what is.


Anyway....Syria has not attacked the USA, Britain or France.

a reply to: The GUT

Oh the irony. Obama haters also qualify as 'you folk'.