The truth about socialism... time and time again..

a reply to: JBurns

If socialism was a yoga position it would involve placing the head up the rectum.

originally posted by: RomeByFire
OP suggests nuclear strikes on US soils to kill socialists...

You know what they say, "If you can't beat them, nuke them."

Ah, Socialism.

Equality through shared misery.

Brilliant.

Meanwhile in Capitalist America, Flint, Michigan has gone without clean water for 1448 days.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Meanwhile in Capitalist America, Flint, Michigan has gone without clean water for 1448 days.

“Death is a preferable alternative to communism.”

originally posted by: JBurns
Apparently the recent fiasco with Venezuela's dictator Maduro robbing the country of its gold (by shipping it overseas, where only he can touch it) wasn't enough to convince leftist S. American kleptocracies to stop stealing from their people in true socialist/communist fashion.

In Brazil, Democrat and dictator Temer has implemented a scheme through complex organizations/funneling to enrich himself and a small group of socialist beneficiaries.

The charges, referring to what is called the 'Major MDB criminal gang' were originally presented to the Federal Supreme Court in September of last year by then Federal General Prosecutor, Rodrigo Janot, against Temer and some of his most important allies, like former President of the Congress Eduardo Cunha (RJ) and Henrique Eduardo Alves (RN), as well as former minister Geddel Vieira Lima (BA) and former congressman Rodrigo Rocha Loures (PR), who was flagrantly captured on film by the Federal Police running with a suitcase full of money for JBS Corporation.

The prosecutor alleged the existence of an organization that diverted funds from many public entities, among them the Caixa Econômica Federal Bank, the Furnas Hydroelectric Complex, the Ministry of National Integration and the House of Representatives. According to the prosecutor, party members would have received at least R$ 587 million (US$ 172 million) in bribes through the scheme. Those accused have denied participation in illicit activities.

www1.folha.uol.com.br...

Failed ideologies disgust me, as do their apologists living in this country. Turns my stomach thinking of these folks. Truly.

Time for various right-wing/military (same thing) coup's to "happen." Allowing any population to live under a tyrannical left-wing socialist government is tantamount to torture/mass murder/genocide/global destruction - it is one of the worst and most insufferable plagues you can put on another living creature.

I wouldn't let a stray varmint live under socialist rule - they'd rob it blind, and brainwash it to believe they were doing it a favor. If South America can't keep socialism out of the continent, perhaps the question should be asked whether they're worthy of running a territory located in such a sensitive proximity to the United States? After all, their political mistakes over the last century has put us in a national security emergency more than once (not just their massive narcotics/drugs, violence, rapists) but harboring nuclear weapons and threatening the US on behalf of other joke socialists/communists.

I think you miss the point though. Most people...or liberals, in the us that talk about socialism or social democracy etc...they're not talking about venuzuala or anything like that, they're referring to countries like Denmark, Norway, etc.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Meanwhile in Capitalist America, Flint, Michigan has gone without clean water for 1448 days.

Haven't you been following the thread? Michigan is capitalist in name only. CINO. See? Now it fits these folks narrative. I've even got an example of Mich's failed socialism.



Bwahahahaha...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JBurns

If socialism was a yoga position it would involve placing the head up the rectum.

But socialism is not a yoga position and your post highlights one of the biggest problems we face today.

Instead of talking about things reasonably and facing our problems like adults, people seem to rather want to act like clowns and perpetuate ignorance.

a reply to: introvert

Done. Let me put it another way.


Socialism is great.

On paper.



When you add humans into the equation then it sucks.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

Done. Let me put it another way.


Socialism is great.

On paper.



When you add humans into the equation then it sucks.

That can be said about damn near anything and everything.

Including capitalism.

That's why we need a good mix of both capitalism and socialism to keep everything in check the best we can. So to dismiss socialism outright is ignorant.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

Done. Let me put it another way.


Socialism is great.

On paper.



When you add humans into the equation then it sucks.

Doesn't suck in Norway.. Sweden... Denmark.. things are pretty awesome there

a reply to: introvert

Socialism places more authority, more control in the hands of government.

There is no reversing socialism.

You can't just change your mind and say, "Gee. Things are mighty corrupt. Let's stop this for a bit".

a reply to: Lucidparadox

Awesome. Good for them.

Yay for them.

Keep it there. Go visit. Stay if you want.


Just don't bring it here.


Our government and representatives are greedy corrupt bastards that will destroy everything if they could.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

Done. Let me put it another way.


Socialism is great.

On paper.



When you add humans into the equation then it sucks.

Yeah well, the nordic model of socialism (social democracy) that Bernie Sanders thinks is a good idea - or "communism" as some Americans call it - isn't all that bad. Maybe it's debatable where it sucks to live.

Trigger warning for extremely dangerous "commie" propaganda.

Scary stuff!

Time for various right-wing/military (same thing) coup's to "happen."

Smdh.

Calling for a right-wing military coup to ride rid themselves and ease their poor little minds about the socialists-leftists bogeymen. Why am I not surprised?

That doesn't sound very capitalistic, or American, but rather authoritarian. "Only OUR ideology matters!" or something of the sort.

Figures. :/

a reply to: DBCowboy

Socialism places more authority, more control in the hands of government.

So does authoritarianism, which is what the OP seems to be calling for.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Socialism places more authority, more control in the hands of government.

No. People choose to place more control in the hands of government. That can occur in a socialist system or a capitalist system.

There is no reversing socialism.

Absolute nonsense. People can change anything they wish at any time they wish. The power is in the hands of the people.

You can't just change your mind and say, "Gee. Things are mighty corrupt. Let's stop this for a bit".

Of course you can. Where do you come up with this stuff?

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: DBCowboy

Socialism places more authority, more control in the hands of government.

So does authoritarianism, which is what the OP seems to be calling for.

Dunno.

I've always been for more freedom.

Don't care what anyone calls it.

Socialism doesn't provide for more freedom, so I'd be against it on principle.



Our government is corrupt. It really sucks. Somehow, the idea of giving government more authority (in the guise of socialism) seems about as smart as bobbing for French fries.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
When US lefties ask for socialism... Maybe we need to be more specific. There are different kinds of socialism.

It's great that you hit us with the red herrings that are failed socialism constructs.

However... What I think most of us MEAN... Is Democratic Socialism. The type that has been successfully executed in the following nation's:

Sweden
Denmark
Norway
Finland

Watch some videos, research statistics, and look at examples of how those countries are operate. They also have very healthy economies.

Free Education including University, high quality education
Massive public assistance programs
Universal Healthcare

These countries do it right.

If we can execute those systems here in the US, everyone would be better off

The problem is that the US is too large and diverse. The one commonality with the countries you listed is that they are small and homogeneous culturally. The populations of those four countries are basically just New York City and Los Angeles, around 25 million people. The US has a population of 350 million people and extreme diversity of cultures and social norms.

The other issue is none of those countries are really responsible for their own defense. The US could probably afford to do a lot of social entitlements, but it would be at the expense of our military and playing the world police / referee. In addition, the US would need to shut down our borders to immigration or severely limit it to only professional class immigrants.

The bottom line is that it really isn't apples to apples comparing the US to those countries.

What should happen is that the federal government should reduce taxes significantly and move a lot of the functions to the states. Then states can decide if they want to go Democratic Socialist and deal with the consequences. So CA can offer healthcare, retirement, and handjobs all they want. The residents of that state need to pay for it.

So are you guys happy with your so called capitalism? Apparently not.

Top 10 Happiest Countries.

At least half are social democracies. US doesn't even make the list(18th).