Trump and Israel to attack Iran

originally posted by: greyhat


How do they define Israel?

The Golan heights for instance are occupied Syrian territory.

How i or anyone else 'defines' Israel doesnt change the facts on the ground.

Dont see whats wrong with Syria losing the Golan though, shoudlnt have come out to play in 48/67 if they didnt want to lose territory.

IDF Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems on the occupied Golan heights, life fire exercises on the northern border, this doesnt look like a peace initiative.

Its not but it isnt that unusal either. The IDF has been on high alert for the better part of the year now - especially the last couple of weeks with the possiblity of imminent Iranian reprisal attacks - and the troops on the Northern front have already been increased some time ago.

As long as they dont call up tens of thousands of reserve troops everything is fine. Relativley speaking of course, we could see a flare up any day now after the Lebanese elections. Netanyahu is still scheduled to meet with Putin in Moscow on Wednesday though, dont think it would be the case if the situation was really on the brink at this point.

And of course there is the Iran Deal desicion on May 12th comming up, would be really stupid for Iran to try something before then. Afterwards though all bets are off when Trump cancels the agreement. Which isnt a given at this point though, mixed messages on that atm.

Edit: Looks like the Iran Deal Deadline has been pushed forward to tomorrow: www.timesofisrael.com...
Interesting development for sure.

The US and Israel will not attack Iran, because the Nuclear Deal will end. This does not make any sense, the reason for which Iran hasn't been attacked until now, has nothing to do with the nuclear deal, it has to do with the US being unable to militarily get stuck into another suicidal quagmire.

The Iran nuclear deal did not stop the US or Israel from attacking Iran. The attack was already stopped more than 10 years ago due to other reasons. The presumption of the title of this thread let's people assume that everything depends on Israel and the US will to war. That's not true since a quite long time.

Considering Russia lost 1 Su-30 and 1 Ka-52 within a week killing 4 pilots, people who say war is a game live in their own reality. War is not a game. It is very dangerous. Politically speaking. You saw what happened to Bush and GOP in the 2008 election. Trump is smart enough to know not to invade Iran and become the worst president in US history.

originally posted by: mightmight

originally posted by: greyhat


How do they define Israel?

The Golan heights for instance are occupied Syrian territory.

How i or anyone else 'defines' Israel doesnt change the facts on the ground.

Dont see whats wrong with Syria losing the Golan though, shoudlnt have come out to play in 48/67 if they didnt want to lose territory.

IDF Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems on the occupied Golan heights, life fire exercises on the northern border, this doesnt look like a peace initiative.

Its not but it isnt that unusal either. The IDF has been on high alert for the better part of the year now - especially the last couple of weeks with the possiblity of imminent Iranian reprisal attacks - and the troops on the Northern front have already been increased some time ago.

As long as they dont call up tens of thousands of reserve troops everything is fine. Relativley speaking of course, we could see a flare up any day now after the Lebanese elections. Netanyahu is still scheduled to meet with Putin in Moscow on Wednesday though, dont think it would be the case if the situation was really on the brink at this point.

And of course there is the Iran Deal desicion on May 12th comming up, would be really stupid for Iran to try something before then. Afterwards though all bets are off when Trump cancels the agreement. Which isnt a given at this point though, mixed messages on that atm.

Edit: Looks like the Iran Deal Deadline has been pushed forward to tomorrow: www.timesofisrael.com...
Interesting development for sure.

Golan is uninhabited land. I doubt Israel can just waltz in and occupy populated Arab lands. Certainly not Damascus. Arab insurgency is pain in the arse, even for Israelis. Israel weren't even able to occupy southern Lebanon in the 1980s, let alone Syria which is far bigger.

originally posted by: jumanji
Golan is uninhabited land. I doubt Israel can just waltz in and occupy populated Arab lands. Certainly not Damascus. Arab insurgency is pain in the arse, even for Israelis. Israel weren't even able to occupy southern Lebanon in the 1980s, let alone Syria which is far bigger.

Nobody except you is talking about occupying Syria.

Israel cant attack Iran unless Russia is taken out of Syria. If the US and Israel really have plans to attack Iran. Iran will be allowed to build more capable bases in Syria...With the protection of Russian supplied military hardware to Assad army like the S-300 and so on.

Russia will also transport Iranian missiles and hardware that Iran will ship by the caspian sea to Russia.

Iran really wants to test their New cruise missile and Syria is a good Place to do that. If this cruise missile does a good job. Iran wont have to have a base situated so Close to Israel or Lebanon.

Israel wont attack Iran if Iran have the capasity to take out Israels airfields from Syria. So the thorn in Israels and the US buts from attacking Iran,.. is Russias and Irans presens in Syria.

originally posted by: jumanji
No, Trump is not going to attack Iran. GOP would never win another election ever again if that happens if Trump knows it. Iran is several times the size of Iraq and they are not even Arabs. Iran makes Iraq look like a walk in the park.

You guys seem to forget that the entire Iraqi army was decimated in under 2 weeks due to airstrikes. The casualties happened when the US started to secure the land and the oil.

You guys = people who mention Iraq as a comparison of how difficult it would be to completely disable another country. Why not use Vietnam as an example too?

In an all out war scenario, nobody will be trying to take oil fields. All out war means Iran is gone in several weeks.

a reply to: silo13

Not surprising Iran to me because Iran is the last on the list of the 7 countries they desired to occupy back in the early 2000s.

a reply to: 1337Kph


One major reason why you cant compare Iraq With Iran at this point, is the massive mobilization we had prior to the invation of Iraq.

We would probably need a even beigger force to take out Iran then was used to take out Iraq. Then the question is will Iran attack before such force can be mobilized?

Iran can strike every location we must be at.. to be within range to conduct a cruise missile strike.

The only Arab countries friendly to America are the absolute monarchies with the exception of Oman which is not Sunni. Qatar, UAE, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Bahrain. The Arab republics are all hostile to America to some degree. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Yemen. They all buy Russia weapons. The US cannot use any of the Arab republics to stage an attack on Iran. So it has to be from Saudi Arabia or Qatar, like in the Gulf War. On the other hand, Iran is a neighbor of Russia via the Caspian Sea, which is the where weapons pour into Iran from in the event of such an attack by America. Anyway, the point is, the US has done nothing significant to justify an attack on Iran. What has America accomplished for humanity? Did America cure cancer? Nope. What does America produce other than crappy Hollywood movies and porn and coca cola to justify an attack on Iran? That's the question we should be asking.

I wouldn't mind if Americans attack Iran if they can improve the lives of Iranians in the aftermath, but they obviously cannot, so there is no point attacking Iran IMHO.

a reply to: mightmight

Edit: Looks like the Iran Deal Deadline has been pushed forward to tomorrow: www.timesofisrael.com... Interesting development for sure.

Next step, after Trump cancelled the deal:

Home > Israel News
Israeli Military Believes Iran Planning Imminent Retaliation; Calls Up Some Reserves

Israel opens public shelters in north over 'unusual movement of Iranian forces' ■ CNN: Pentagon concerned about Iran preparing strike against Israel ■ U.S. embassy issues travel warning for Golan Heights

Yaniv Kubovich and Amir Tibon May 08, 2018 10:25 PM

The Israeli army believes Iran is making efforts to carry out an imminent retaliation against Israel. Intelligence officers and other specialized forces have been called up

www.haaretz.com...

a reply to: greyhat
Tensions are high and we might see some missile strikes and reprisals soon, but as said, unless they start mobilizing their army reserves on a wide scale, no major conflagration is on the hoirzon. Calling up some specialized forces to support regular troops already on high alert as the linked article suggests is pretty normal.
Netanyahus meeting with Putin in Moscow is still set for tomorrow and he was in Cyprus today, so i really dont think anything is in the works on the Israeli side. As usual, Netanyahu talks a big game but shys away from major moves.
Iran might try something of course, but conventional logic would be for them to just go with the Euorpean outrage on Trumps decision and not give him any excuses after the fact.
But who knows how much the Mullahs in Tehran control the Revolutionary Guards and their proxies in Syria at this point. Could be entirely up to some regional commander to push the button on the Golan in the coming days.

Edit
on the other hand there might be something going on in Syria atm ... rumors about a possible airstrike west of Damascus. Also talk about Syrian AD engaging.
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www.timesofisrael.com...

Edit2 might have been a strike on forces out in the field... maybe the IDF following up on the warnings they issued a couple of hours ago. If thats the case things could actually calm down tonight.

originally posted by: mightmight
a reply to: greyhat
Tensions are high and we might see some missile strikes and reprisals soon, but as said, unless they start mobilizing their army reserves on a wide scale, no major conflagration is on the hoirzon. Calling up some specialized forces to support regular troops already on high alert as the linked article suggests is pretty normal.

We will see. Invasion date?

My best bet is Shavuot, 19.-21. of may. Empty streets in Israel and the islamic world is tired after some ramadan days, analogue jom kippur 73.

a reply to: greyhat


Seems things are heating up again, Israel attacking

How would Trump react if the new US embassy in Jerusalem would be "Liberty"ed on the 14. of may with his daugther in it?

twitter.com...

a reply to: greyhat


A high ranking Iranian rev. guard has been killed in Israeli strike. Shelters have been activated in Northern Israel. The Iranians have been given the go ahead to strike Israel.

a reply to: anonentity

As long as bogey man "living martyr" Soleimani is alive...

Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz threatened to assassinate Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and topple the Alawite regime there if he does not re-assert Damascus’ sovereignty over the country by pushing Iranian forces back into their home country...

According to yesterday’s reports, Iran’s alleged revenge operation would be guided by General Qasem Soleimani, an officer in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and commander of its Quds Force, a division primarily responsible for extraterritorial military and clandestine operations.

thejewishvoice.com...

They really seem to hate and fear this guy.

Report: U.S. Gives Israel Green Light to Assassinate Iranian General Soleimani

www.haaretz.com...

originally posted by: mightmight

originally posted by: jumanji

Russia has many times the military might of Israel.
If the Russia army in Syria get overwhelmed by Israeli army, then Russia can transfer more forces to Syria.

Just like that, huh?
Reinforcements to Syria would have to come by sea (takes long too) or by air (always limited in scope), both ways can easily be denied by Israel. It would be a comparativley trivial exercise to shut down Damascus International and Latakia / Tartus. Also, ist not like Russia has transport ships and planes just sitting around and the logistical chain to Support them. The Russian Military is not build for warfare abroad like the US is.
Yes sure, Russia could sneak in some fighter jets or light airborne troops on some airfield somewhere out in nowhere if tey really tried, but to what end? The point is, they wouldnt be able to build up any kind of threatening force on Israels doorstep.

And Russia has access to Iran air bases such as Hamadan which are not that far from Syria especially with aerial refueling.
And Russia ballistic missiles can hit Israel from Russia mainland.

And the Russians setting up shop there would just end like their presence at Hmeimim if Israels picks a fight. They'd be wiped out in very short order. Not that some Russian jets in western Iran would matter though, the IAF is perfectly capable of repelling any Russian attack from the East. Which would coincidently force the Russians to fly over at least Iraq, maybe Jordan or even Saudi Arabia as well. You dont think that would get the US involved pretty quickly?

As for air refueling - the Russian Air Force has a grand total of 18 tankers. Its severely limited in their capability to Support fighter movements abroad or to conduct long range strikes. As said, the russian Military is not a expeditionary force. They do more than fine on their home turf but are not able to support enough force levels to stand up to a regional power on their turf.

As for ballistic missile attacks - yes they can do that. Cruise Missiles from ships and strategic bombers too. But unless they want to nuke a nuclear power, they'll have difficulty getting through Israeli AD/BMD. Israel probably has one of the worlds most advanced air defense networks. Its layered defense umbrella should be perfectly capable of mitigating any concievable Russian ballistic / cruise missile barrage. Sure some would get through, but so what? Russia wouldnt use nukes and they wouldnt go after population centers anyway.
And again, you'd think the US would just sit idly by while Russia starts employing that kind of weaponry?

If Netanyahu does invade Syria he better be ready for 2 consequences. He wins then he goes down as the best Israeli leader. He loses then he and his part are both finished for good.

Saddam easily annexed Kuwait but what happened afterwards with Desert Storm launched from Saudi Arabia was the real deal.

Yeah no. Nobody is planning an Invasoin of Syria let alone annexation. Jesus.

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The big hurt.

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I think the Anti-America "Tehran Times" publication should join forces with CNN or MSNBC. All 3 have the same mindset.

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