Hillary Clinton and 9/11

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: FlyingFox
PUTIN: "95% OF WORLD TERRORIST ATTACKS ARE MADE BY THE CIA"

www.geopolitica.ru/en/news/putin-95-world-terrorist-attacks-are-made-cia

www.geopolitica.ru...

Why would you quote anything that corrupt dictator spews out?


Putin saying a bit of information with no credible evidence to distract conspiracists, and sow speeds of chaos through the world?

Putin saying CIA makes 95% of the wold’s Terror Attacks is to distract that Russia is responsible for 95% of the world’s Terror Attacks?

Do I think Russia is responsible for 95% of the world’s Terror Attacks? No

Is it realistic to say the CIA makes 95% of the world’s Terror Attacks. No

Are 95% of the world’s Terror Attacks made by religious dictators seeing the West as a blockade to creating a world dictatorship based on jihad........

Russia's Questionable Counterterrorism Record
Why Moscow Is an Unreliable Partner for the West

www.foreignaffairs.com...

Such optimism about working with Russia on terrorism, however, is misguided. From Syria to Afghanistan, Putin has done more to encourage terrorism than fight it, with Moscow maintaining ties to terrorist groups such as Hezbollah and the Taliban. Russia’s record suggests it will never be an honest broker or reliable partner for the West in combating terrorism.

And how many terrorist has sprung up since we ilegaly invaded Iraq and libya? Do you know how many people have died because of these ilegal wars? Thousands!

Why do you think the West is hated so much!

And now we have turned to Russia. Blaming them for everything without evidence! The west is the biggest threat to this planet, and as long as they have people conditioned and brainwashed, they will get what they want!

Why do you think the Middle Eastern is hated so much? Governments based on religion, the total disregard for women’s rights, the total trampling on human rights, or violent jihad?

And you don’t think Russia takes action through proxy wars? Who supplies arms and training to countries that hate the USA? Threatens to cut energy supplies to Europe? Russia doesn’t funnel money to jihadists? Who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?Crimea, and Putin claiming the right to defend Russia speaking people?

You think we went into Iraq and libya out of the goodness of our hearts? Governments do not give a crap about their own people let alone the well being of people in other countries.

We went into these countries, and now they are ten times worse with more people dying every day!

You Talk about supplying arms? Do you know how much arms we have supplied to terrorists and rebels when it suits us. God we trained bin Laden and his crew and armed them!

So, you have evidence that it was Russia who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Or are you just pointing your finger for the sake of it!

Seriously! Open your eyes!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: FlyingFox
PUTIN: "95% OF WORLD TERRORIST ATTACKS ARE MADE BY THE CIA"

www.geopolitica.ru/en/news/putin-95-world-terrorist-attacks-are-made-cia

www.geopolitica.ru...

Why would you quote anything that corrupt dictator spews out?


Putin saying a bit of information with no credible evidence to distract conspiracists, and sow speeds of chaos through the world?

Putin saying CIA makes 95% of the wold’s Terror Attacks is to distract that Russia is responsible for 95% of the world’s Terror Attacks?

Do I think Russia is responsible for 95% of the world’s Terror Attacks? No

Is it realistic to say the CIA makes 95% of the world’s Terror Attacks. No

Are 95% of the world’s Terror Attacks made by religious dictators seeing the West as a blockade to creating a world dictatorship based on jihad........

Russia's Questionable Counterterrorism Record
Why Moscow Is an Unreliable Partner for the West

www.foreignaffairs.com...

Such optimism about working with Russia on terrorism, however, is misguided. From Syria to Afghanistan, Putin has done more to encourage terrorism than fight it, with Moscow maintaining ties to terrorist groups such as Hezbollah and the Taliban. Russia’s record suggests it will never be an honest broker or reliable partner for the West in combating terrorism.

And how many terrorist has sprung up since we ilegaly invaded Iraq and libya? Do you know how many people have died because of these ilegal wars? Thousands!

Why do you think the West is hated so much!

And now we have turned to Russia. Blaming them for everything without evidence! The west is the biggest threat to this planet, and as long as they have people conditioned and brainwashed, they will get what they want!

Why do you think the Middle Eastern is hated so much? Governments based on religion, the total disregard for women’s rights, the total trampling on human rights, or violent jihad?

And you don’t think Russia takes action through proxy wars? Who supplies arms and training to countries that hate the USA? Threatens to cut energy supplies to Europe? Russia doesn’t funnel money to jihadists? Who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?Crimea, and Putin claiming the right to defend Russia speaking people?

You think we went into Iraq and libya out of the goodness of our hearts? Governments do not give a crap about their own people let alone the well being of people in other countries.

We went into these countries, and now they are ten times worse with more people dying every day!

You Talk about supplying arms? Do you know how much arms we have supplied to terrorists and rebels when it suits us. God we trained bin Laden and his crew and armed them!

So, you have evidence that it was Russia who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Or are you just pointing your finger for the sake of it!

Seriously! Open your eyes!

And you don’t think Russia doesn’t do the same things. How quant?

So the world is innocent? Evil begets evil? Do you think jihadism is a response to the USA? Or just a response to any county that doesn’t believe a government should dictate the sanctioned religion, make the practicing of other religious a punishable offense, treat women as property, and just completely ignore the advancement of human right?

a reply to: Jay-morris

If you think the hatred is just for the West, how many individuals practicing the wrong religion, or from the wrong tribe, are oppressed and slaughtered each year? Middle Eastern countries and African countries spend as much time terrorizing their own populations base on religion than killing those in western civilizations.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

If you think the hatred is just for the West, how many individuals practicing the wrong religion, or from the wrong tribe, are oppressed and slaughtered each year? Middle Eastern countries and African countries spend as much time terrorizing their own populations base on religion than killing those in western civilizations.

You completely ignored my post. I dislike all religon. All have done terrible things over the years, but this is not about religon.

Like I said before, you think the West cares about these people, no they do not. Have they used these people for their own means, yes they have. The west has armed terrorists for years, and it will not stop soon.

I am still waiting for the evidence that Russia caused that plane to crash?

That Obama pic is the greatest part of this thread.

a reply to: Jay-morris

If the missile was not supplied by Russians, and not fired by pro Russian fighters from a pro Russian fighter held positions, then who fired the missile?

Notice the news story is not from an American news source. The news story is about a Dutch investigation.

www.bbc.com...

The Dutch report commissioned three separate investigations - from Dutch, Russian and Ukrainian bodies - to look at where the missile launcher could have been located. It said the missile could have been fired from an area of about 320 sq km in the east of Ukraine.
The JIT and the government in Ukraine say the missile was brought from Russia and launched from the rebel-held part of Ukraine.

Break

In its September report, JIT used witness testimony, intercepted phone calls, photographs and satellite imagery showing scorched land to pinpoint the launch site on high ground at Pervomaiskyi, near Snizhne, in territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

If the missile was not supplied by Russians, and not fired by pro Russian fighters from a pro Russian fighter held positions, then who fired the missile?

Notice the news story is not from an American news source. The news story is about a Dutch investigation.

www.bbc.com...

The Dutch report commissioned three separate investigations - from Dutch, Russian and Ukrainian bodies - to look at where the missile launcher could have been located. It said the missile could have been fired from an area of about 320 sq km in the east of Ukraine.
The JIT and the government in Ukraine say the missile was brought from Russia and launched from the rebel-held part of Ukraine.

Break

In its September report, JIT used witness testimony, intercepted phone calls, photographs and satellite imagery showing scorched land to pinpoint the launch site on high ground at Pervomaiskyi, near Snizhne, in territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

We gave seen this story before, and it is not evidence! It is her say. Same with everything thrown towards Russia. Election meddling in the US, no evidence!

And now we have the poisoning of an ex russian spy in the UK, again no evidence! Actually, the more that goes on, the more I am thinking that this had something to do with the UK!

We have two people, who have not been seen since the poisoning. Not even a family member was granted a visa to come and see them.

We said it was Russia, even though they said it could have come from anywhere.

We have the famous photo of of people there testing for the chemical in all their gear, when next to them are firemen with no gear to protect themselves if area was contaminated.

And then we have the fact that the world cup is a few months away, being held in Russia. Putin is not a stupid man! Why the hell would he do this just before a world cup. Do you know how much a tournament like that makes a country?

And now we have Assad supposedly using a chemical weapon on his people again, when he had absolutly no reason to do it as the rebels have almost been cleared out.

It is absolutly rediculus, but shows the control our governments have on most of the people.

The west is the danger here. And I am not Russian, I am UK born and bread. I am just not easily msnipalated and can think for myself!

These people are sociopaths!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

If the missile was not supplied by Russians, and not fired by pro Russian fighters from a pro Russian fighter held positions, then who fired the missile?

Notice the news story is not from an American news source. The news story is about a Dutch investigation.

www.bbc.com...

The Dutch report commissioned three separate investigations - from Dutch, Russian and Ukrainian bodies - to look at where the missile launcher could have been located. It said the missile could have been fired from an area of about 320 sq km in the east of Ukraine.
The JIT and the government in Ukraine say the missile was brought from Russia and launched from the rebel-held part of Ukraine.

Break

In its September report, JIT used witness testimony, intercepted phone calls, photographs and satellite imagery showing scorched land to pinpoint the launch site on high ground at Pervomaiskyi, near Snizhne, in territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

We gave seen this story before, and it is not evidence! It is her say. Same with everything thrown towards Russia. Election meddling in the US, no evidence!

And now we have the poisoning of an ex russian spy in the UK, again no evidence! Actually, the more that goes on, the more I am thinking that this had something to do with the UK!

We have two people, who have not been seen since the poisoning. Not even a family member was granted a visa to come and see them.

We said it was Russia, even though they said it could have come from anywhere.

We have the famous photo of of people there testing for the chemical in all their gear, when next to them are firemen with no gear to protect themselves if area was contaminated.

And then we have the fact that the world cup is a few months away, being held in Russia. Putin is not a stupid man! Why the hell would he do this just before a world cup. Do you know how much a tournament like that makes a country?

And now we have Assad supposedly using a chemical weapon on his people again, when he had absolutly no reason to do it as the rebels have almost been cleared out.

It is absolutly rediculus, but shows the control our governments have on most of the people.

The west is the danger here. And I am not Russian, I am UK born and bread. I am just not easily msnipalated and can think for myself!

These people are sociopaths!

Nice false argument?

What is hearsay about a Dutch investigation that was already quoted and quote below? In that it would not be admissible in court?

Do you have evidence to indicate the Dutch investigation is a lie? Or just hearsay? Or you just saying it’s a lie with no credible evidence? What is that called?

Pieces of the missile, forensic evidence, video, witness accounts, satellite photos, and intercepted phone calls?

www.om.nl...@96068/jit-flight-mh17-shot/

JIT: Flight MH17 was shot down by a BUK missile from a farmland near Pervomaiskyi
28 september 2016 - Landelijk Parket

Transport of the missile installation
The JIT has been able to identify a large part of the route concerning the arrival and the departure of the BUK-TELAR. This was the result of intercepted telephone conversations, witness statements, photographs and videos that had been posted on social media, and a video never shown before which was obtained from a witness. The system was transported from Russian territory into eastern Ukraine and was later transported on a white Volvo truck with a low-boy trailer. The truck was escorted by several other vehicles and by armed men in uniform.

Launch site
The final destination of the BUK-system was on farmland near Pervomaiskyi. Evidence that supports this includes multiple witnesses who saw and photographed the condensation trail of the BUK missile and its movement through the air. Other witnesses were able to link the trail to the BUK-TELAR which they had seen earlier on 17 July 2014.

Witnesses were interviewed who had seen a plume of smoke, the BUK-TELAR at the launch site in Pervomaiskyi, and the missile right after it had been launched.

Journalists have spoken to witnesses who had seen the launch of the missile at a very short distance from the launch location. These witnesses testified that they heard a very loud noise and a high whistling sound.

After the BUK missile had been fired, the BUK-TELAR initially drove off under its own power. A short time later it was reloaded onto the Volvo truck and transported back to the Russian border. During the night, the convoy crossed the border into the territory of the Russian Federation.

a reply to: Jay-morris

If Russian backed forces were innocent in any involvement with flight 17, why would Russia block setting up a tribunal?

www.bbc.com...

In July 2015, Russia vetoed a draft resolution at the UN Security Council to set up an international tribunal into the disaster. President Vladimir Putin said it would be "premature" and "counter-productive".

a reply to: FlyingFox

for some reason this brought to mind this Trump prophecy from 2007

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

If the missile was not supplied by Russians, and not fired by pro Russian fighters from a pro Russian fighter held positions, then who fired the missile?

Notice the news story is not from an American news source. The news story is about a Dutch investigation.

www.bbc.com...

The Dutch report commissioned three separate investigations - from Dutch, Russian and Ukrainian bodies - to look at where the missile launcher could have been located. It said the missile could have been fired from an area of about 320 sq km in the east of Ukraine.
The JIT and the government in Ukraine say the missile was brought from Russia and launched from the rebel-held part of Ukraine.

Break

In its September report, JIT used witness testimony, intercepted phone calls, photographs and satellite imagery showing scorched land to pinpoint the launch site on high ground at Pervomaiskyi, near Snizhne, in territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

We gave seen this story before, and it is not evidence! It is her say. Same with everything thrown towards Russia. Election meddling in the US, no evidence!

And now we have the poisoning of an ex russian spy in the UK, again no evidence! Actually, the more that goes on, the more I am thinking that this had something to do with the UK!

We have two people, who have not been seen since the poisoning. Not even a family member was granted a visa to come and see them.

We said it was Russia, even though they said it could have come from anywhere.

We have the famous photo of of people there testing for the chemical in all their gear, when next to them are firemen with no gear to protect themselves if area was contaminated.

And then we have the fact that the world cup is a few months away, being held in Russia. Putin is not a stupid man! Why the hell would he do this just before a world cup. Do you know how much a tournament like that makes a country?

And now we have Assad supposedly using a chemical weapon on his people again, when he had absolutly no reason to do it as the rebels have almost been cleared out.

It is absolutly rediculus, but shows the control our governments have on most of the people.

The west is the danger here. And I am not Russian, I am UK born and bread. I am just not easily msnipalated and can think for myself!

These people are sociopaths!

Nice false argument?

What is hearsay about a Dutch investigation that was already quoted and quote below? In that it would not be admissible in court?

Do you have evidence to indicate the Dutch investigation is a lie? Or just hearsay? Or you just saying it’s a lie with no credible evidence? What is that called?

Pieces of the missile, forensic evidence, video, witness accounts, satellite photos, and intercepted phone calls?

www.om.nl...@96068/jit-flight-mh17-shot/

JIT: Flight MH17 was shot down by a BUK missile from a farmland near Pervomaiskyi
28 september 2016 - Landelijk Parket

Transport of the missile installation
The JIT has been able to identify a large part of the route concerning the arrival and the departure of the BUK-TELAR. This was the result of intercepted telephone conversations, witness statements, photographs and videos that had been posted on social media, and a video never shown before which was obtained from a witness. The system was transported from Russian territory into eastern Ukraine and was later transported on a white Volvo truck with a low-boy trailer. The truck was escorted by several other vehicles and by armed men in uniform.

Launch site
The final destination of the BUK-system was on farmland near Pervomaiskyi. Evidence that supports this includes multiple witnesses who saw and photographed the condensation trail of the BUK missile and its movement through the air. Other witnesses were able to link the trail to the BUK-TELAR which they had seen earlier on 17 July 2014.

Witnesses were interviewed who had seen a plume of smoke, the BUK-TELAR at the launch site in Pervomaiskyi, and the missile right after it had been launched.

Journalists have spoken to witnesses who had seen the launch of the missile at a very short distance from the launch location. These witnesses testified that they heard a very loud noise and a high whistling sound.

After the BUK missile had been fired, the BUK-TELAR initially drove off under its own power. A short time later it was reloaded onto the Volvo truck and transported back to the Russian border. During the night, the convoy crossed the border into the territory of the Russian Federation.

Thank you for ignoring my other points!

There are a number of ways this horrible event could have gone down. There is also the theory that rebels intended to shoot down a Russian airliner in a false flag operation to give Russia a pretext to invade Ukraine, but shot down MH17 by mistake.

Next you will be saying thst Putin himself ordered the plane to be taken out!

Your next argument will be "but Russia armed the rebels to do it" Do you know how many terrorists the West has armed? Do you know how many thousands of people have died because of this.

Or is this ok because it is the West? Are they our saviors, fighting the big bad evil.

Do you think invading Iraq and libya in ilegal wars, responsible for the deaths of thousands of people is ok because the west done it?

a reply to: Jay-morris

My point was:

1) How was the Dutch investigation hearsay in the sense the collected evidence is not submissible in a court of law.

2) How is the Dutch investigation fraudulent? How is the collected data wrong?

3) How did a false flag crew get a mobile rocket launcher into a pro Russian territory, and get the thing back to Russian Federation territory?

4) If Russia is totally innocent, then why veto a UN resolution to set up a tribunal concerning flight 17?

The Dutch report relies on intercepted phone calls, actual pieces of the missile, forensic science, eyewitnesses accounts, video, radar data, and missile launcher movements.

And you have faith based on innuendo?

a reply to: Jay-morris

I should believe flight 17 was a false flag because you say so?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

I should believe flight 17 was a false flag because you say so?

I am not asking you to believe in anything. What you believe in is up to you. I do not trust the West, including my government. They have lied and manipalated so many times.

Iraq and libya, like i said, are very goid examples. When you have the West blaming Russia for everything without evidence, alarm bells should start ringing that something is not right here.

There is an agenda against Russia. Is it to do with Russia ruining the West long term plans in Syria, very well could be.

All i know is they are putting me and my family in danger, all for their sociopathic needs!

a reply to: Jay-morris

When you have the West blaming Russia for everything without evidence, alarm bells should start ringing that something is not right here.

So no valid reason to believe there is a more credible explanation than the conclusions drawn by the Dutch concerning flight 17?

a reply to: Jay-morris

And you don’t find Putin stating he has the right to defend Russian speaking people a bit chilling? Or the election process that keeps him in power?

And what does Russian speaking even mean? Like basing military action based on ethnicity?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

When you have the West blaming Russia for everything without evidence, alarm bells should start ringing that something is not right here.

So no valid reason to believe there is a more credible explanation than the conclusions drawn by the Dutch concerning flight 17?

I have not said it is 100% as we just do not know. But blindly believing our governments who are responsible for ilegal wars and thousands of deaths in the last few decades, of course i am dubious.

Also, adding that the poisoning of a Russian spy in the UK does not make sense, and now it is looking like the UK government is hiding something. And you also have the fake Russian meddling of the US elections, and now Assad supposedly dropping a chemical weapon when he had no reason too.

Can't you see it?

a reply to: Jay-morris

But blindly believing our governments who are responsible for ilegal wars and thousands of deaths in the last few decades, of course i am dubious.

What does the above have to do with the Dutch evidence concerning flight 17? Can you cite how the gathered evidence is fraudulent? Finding the evidence credible is propaganda? What can offer that is more credible, and fits the forensic science?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

But blindly believing our governments who are responsible for ilegal wars and thousands of deaths in the last few decades, of course i am dubious.

What does the above have to do with the Dutch evidence concerning flight 17? Can you cite how the gathered evidence is fraudulent? Finding the evidence credible is propaganda? What can offer that is more credible, and fits the forensic science?

At the time, could you find the evidence the Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before we invaded? Yet the western media, experts and western governments said we did have evidence, and we know what happened there don't we. We were decieved, but I bet at the time you believed it didn't you.

As for the plane attack, nothing is conclusive, we hear it could be this and that, but no proof thst Russia ordered that plane to be shot down.