China says it's "lose lose" in the new trade war

www.theguardian.com...:block-5ac48 f2be4b0968bfc01b558#block-5ac48f2be4b0968bfc01b558

They don't want a trade war and are of course imposing their own tariffs. Do they think Trump and team didn't know they would do this? Of course they did. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and what would happen as a reaction and a result.

If Trump did know that China would retaliate and it is a lose lose scenarion then what is his game plan?

I know that I would do exactly as Trump has done at this time, knowing that China would retaliate. I would take that as an opportunity of reducing trade with China all round. I would be building up trade with those who were not such a threat militarlily and industrially. I would be seeking to bring the threat down to size and not be building up those would later beat me in the ring and knock me out cold to become the new champion.

I would NEVER have raised this opponent up in the first place just so a few greedy old men could make a profit who do not even think beyond their portfolios and the now of what the cosequences will be for their culture. They have no honour or loyalty to nation. They are not bound like us to have to live in the # of the mess they make. They can get in their private jet plane or super yacht and go on holiday to the South Sea; we can't. We have to live with the mess.

So, again well done President Trump. At least you care about the West being strong and not going down the # pan like the "spirit cookers" lol.

Tough cookie, China (hahaha "fortune cookies" get it?). Now you can decide what you are going to do with keeping that horrible bloatd state with very nasty and cruel dictator like ways afloat. In the light of recent decisions you deserve to sink. You are corrupt and VERY dangerous to the free world.

Anything that brings China down to size, that alienates Russia economically is good by me. They are both great dangers to freedom. Why on earth these fools raise them up to be powerful I do not know. It must be for the quick profit and business with no accounting for the fact they are fattening up the guy who will take their head tomorrow at dawn.

If China don't want a trade war it means we are in the stronger position and we must give them a fight night to put right what the globalists have screwed up in terms of POWER, which is more important than CASH because if you don't have power you don't control the cash any way.

Have the POWER and the CASH, West, until they learn to give their citizens freedom and not be such a danger to the free world. Don't ever think the West is a walk-over. It really is not.

Don't ever buy a Dell RF keyboard. Mine is right next to the dark tower of my PC and still #s up even with new batteries.

I wish everything was made in Germany and America and perhaps the UK if it would get its act together again. We need quality not garbage pile fodder that just pollutes the environment because it is so cheaply and craply made.

Everything American and German I have lasts forever and never lets me down. Everything else is only ever a step away from the garbage heap.

I hope that some quality can come back. Man, I would be willing to pay for it. Just give me the opportunity as a consumer. I don't want to buy their trash wirth no other choices, making my enemy big enough to slay me, entrap me and take away my freedom in the future.

a reply to: Revolution9

Everything American and German I have lasts forever and never lets me down

German cars are some of the most unreliable cars on the road.

Chrysler, Porsche and Mercedes are the worst. German engineering excellence is a fallacy.

Over recent years i have purchase a Bosch and AEG Washing Machine. Both packed up within 2 years.

Here are the top ten car brand which break down the most: 1 - Alfa Romeo - 40 per cent breakdown rate - £355 average payout claim 2 - Porsche - 36 per cent breakdown rate - £1,020 average payout claim 3 - Land Rover - 34 per cent breakdown rate - £510 average payout claim 4 - Chrysler - 26 per cent breakdown rate - £475 average payout claim 5 - Mercedes - 25 per cent breakdown rate - £560 average payout claim

www.express.co.uk...

a reply to: Revolution9

I wouldn't say China is any more corrupt or more of a threat to freedom than the US is.

But granted, I do live in the US. So.. go team!.. ?

originally posted by: Revolution9

Everything American and German I have lasts forever and never lets me down.

Can only speak for the german stuff, must be older stuff you mean and own. If you have for example an old Miele washing machine that worked for 20 years and still works, it is possible that it will work another 20 years.

But nowadays, often you think you buy something Made in Germany, but you often buy chinese stuff. Look, i have a Telefunken TV, but the asians bought just the name, it´s not german anymore, it´s just the name that´s left. And if you open something Made in Germany nowadays, all the chips and electronics, Made in China.

And the other thing is, german workers were downgraded to wage slaves. People which can´t live from the money the get from their "jobs"(not work anymore, downgraded to just silly precarious "jobs") don´t deliver high quality stuff, they don´t care for Made in Germany and quality anymore. Understandable, everybody knows that german people are the lowest paid workers, millions work under the minimum wage, because the politics left loopholes en masse. To the profits of the temporary work and employment business, the slave business. And for the profits of the "representatives of the people", which celebrate themselves for splitting healthy work places into three or more slave wage jobs and lying about the real unemployment numbers, lying about how many "welfare" recipients have to receive "welfare", even though they work in one or more jobs.

Made in Germany turned back into what it was first, a warning from bad quality, so that the people(in the UK) don´t buy that stuff. Then it became a sign of good quality, but since workers became slaves in Germany, it´s again more a warning than a quality sign.

I mean, "we" can´t even build an airport(BER) anymore, not even a railwaystation(S21). These everlasting construction sites are just there to make some rich people richer, for failing again and again.

Stuff that was manufactured, produced in Germany since the Schröder regency and especially since the Merkel regency, don´t trust that stuff. Clever wage slaves don´t deliver quality work, they delivers just what the wage is worth!

a reply to: Revolution9

Thats the problem with imposing new tariffs on imports, its a two way street.

Do we think the corporations mind? Not the state, the presidents or the people: the corporations. They mind sudden slashes to their profits, to them its another tax, they will balance the books.

The 'Plan' will backfire, Tariffs aren't Sanctions.

Or maybe they are...?

a reply to: Revolution9

I know that I would do exactly as Trump has done at this time, knowing that China would retaliate. I would take that as an opportunity of reducing trade with China all round.

The only way to compete is make better products for cheaper and out sell the competition. In a Free Market Monopoly, mega corp rules.

I Guess not many of you grasp the concept of a consumer society. THe US dont just by junk from Chine. The US knows exactly the quality of the goods that they buy to sell to a consumer in the US.

If a producer of a item made a item to last for 40 years. That producer would be out of buissnes in a very competative market very fast. And Our need to Upgrade would be reduced and a produser would be reluctent to Upgrade its items to New and imporved items do to cost, and less need for a New Product on the market.

The goal these thays are not to produce items that last for a very long time. Moste items today last for as long as the varenty on the Product last. And by that time a New en improved item With more features can be bought. It is how the system Works. And the New Product will last for just as long as the old Product.

We might Call what we buy junk. But it is junk for a reason when Our society is run by consumption.

China's retaliatory tariffs are a joke, see my post in the other thread. Everything that was tariffed in the $3 Billion USD package is easily available for Chinese people elsewhere including produced locally here in China.

The new tariffs, $50 Billion or $120 Billion USD depending on where you read, I'm still reading up on but they appear to be mostly tech related which is also stupid since what I've seen so far can already be produced locally or was stolen tech anyway.

It's also been reported that China has already sent negotiators to talk with Trump's people because they know US exports are 20% of their economy. China's gonna lose this one it's really just a matter of how long this will go on.

a reply to: alldaylong

Chrysler isn't a German car maker though (?)

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Revolution9

I know that I would do exactly as Trump has done at this time, knowing that China would retaliate. I would take that as an opportunity of reducing trade with China all round.

The only way to compete is make better products for cheaper and out sell the competition. In a Free Market Monopoly, mega corp rules.

Good luck with that!

You've conveniently overlooked the cost of labor. And, unless the working class in this country is willing to go back to having 3 generations living in the same tiny 2 room apartment, in a massive building with 3,000 more units just like it, then don't expect to realize that objective anytime soon.

Oh, and that 'free market' you refer to is far from "free", mega corps be damned.

In fact, it is those same mega-corps you refer to which are the prime offenders of taking work off-shore, to feed their insatiable greed.

This is why tariffs are required, not just desirable. Place export tariffs on the export of raw materials, and place import tariffs on manufactured goods. This squares up the playing field and maintains lifestyles within the borders of a country. Further, I personally have no issue if China does the exact same thing, and neither should anyone else. You see, China has the labor (people), but not the raw materials...fair is fair.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: alldaylong

Chrysler isn't a German car maker though (?)

Some Chrysler models where built in Germany.

The horrendous Chrysler Crossfire for instance.

a reply to: FamCore

Nope, it's Italian...now.

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (formerly Damler Chrysler (German)).

China doesn’t like the U.S. trying to have a level playing field so what else are they going to say? China will be the big loser here in the end because we don’t need their junk as much as they need for us to buy it from them.

China holds more than $1.18 trillion in US debt . . . and nobody has an umbrella big enough to be sheltered from that pissing contest.

Just sayin'

a reply to: Revolution9

The price of your flat screen TV is going up

The price of your medical devices is going up

The price of aircraf/airplane parts is going up

The price of batteries will go up

There is a lot more .....

All because Trump imposed a stupid tariff and the Chinese well let's just say it's 'Unlucky' to not retaliate ... solar panels? lol

Plus you can't afford to manufacture all of said above the only war should be with your own president and your 'He was different argument' is very shallow ..
let's throw the American company amazon in the mix to .. discrimination because of the Washington post .. when will it end? Or are the liberals working on a conspiracy to have him assassinated by a Mexican or black or minority ..

UK few

a reply to: Revolution9

It's not an equal lose/lose proposition. One side will be hurt more.

Which side has the bigger trade surplus?

I rest my case.

I'm attempting to think apart from TV and movies what actual American products I consume over here in the UK.
Can think of loads of Chinese products but American....oooooo just thought of one I got an American made air rifle .

originally posted by: Ta1nTeDJuSt1cE
a reply to: Revolution9

The price of your flat screen TV is going up

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Are those the flats screen made by China because they bankrupted the last remaining US companies making thme in the States by flooding the market at below cost prices? There was a great PBS show (Frontline?) about this years ago.

And we are the bad guys in this trade war?

We raised tariffs, so they raised tariffs in return now both sides will talk quietly behind the scenes and come to a compromise before lifting the tariffs.

The tariffs were just Trumps way of getting their attention.