Jacques Vallee Narrates Alien Artifacts Recovered from Crashed UFOs are NOT of This World

a reply to: Lathroper

Rods - supported by evidence

define evidence

"Billy" Meier - I stated a fair comment about him.

what are his videos you find interesting?

Bob Lazar - I cannot believe so Bob Lazar is meaningless to me.

k

Phoenix flares! - Evidence supports ONLY military flares

there were two event in that night:
1: the overfly of an gigantic boomerang shaped craft, there are NO videos of this event
2: the flares to cover up the first, wich is the videos you see in the web

John Keel - I like him! He's an entertaining author and a nice and friendly guy.

his theories on the MIB are interesting

Jacques Vallee - Take him or leave him, he was entertaining now he is bearable.

how entertaining?

a reply to: The GUT

True... meant to imply that, so substitute my "space" w "multiverse." The IDH is top on my list for a sig portion of the phenom.

a reply to: Lathroper

hmm so you have seen an rod with your eyes, right?
how did it look like?

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Lathroper

hmm so you have seen an rod with your eyes, right?
how did it look like?

For your benefit I'll repeat my sighting. I was standing on the sidewalk in front of my apartment building just scanning the sky as I love to do. The sky is busy with mostly seagulls that travel from the Hudson River to nearby Central Park which has a large open reservoir. I saw a seagull crossing the sky when all of a sudden a straight, long shape zoomed towards the seagull. The seagull was startled and reacted with sudden wing flaps. Then as the rod was within a few feet of the seagull it made an angled turn and continued on its way. I also have on videotape an eagle reacting the same way and you can just barely make out the rod right underneath it. Before I got involved with rods I shot footage with a digicamcorder in Central Park and only later after I got involved with Jose Escamilla I viewed the video again and saw a rod.

a reply to: Lathroper

sounds like an small probe ufo

a reply to: The GUT

When we met, I introduced to him the concept that "ejecta" might be radiation
shielding or other temporary structure "materialized" by the Phenomena and then
discarded when no longer needed.

However these days, I don't seem to know the man any more.. he's changed..

when this TDL thing first came up.. I begged him to not get involved.. that
it was more deception than anything.. I begged him not to write the forward
to the first book..

I also hear that his old books are being released with new revisions.. that make
no sense.

I don't know... and I hate to say such a thing.. but if it were anyone else, I'd
say that they had been compromised by the government/other actors.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear


when this TDL thing first came up.. I begged him to not get involved.. that
it was more deception than anything.. I begged him not to write the forward
to the first book..

I also hear that his old books are being released with new revisions.. that make
no sense.

I don't know... and I hate to say such a thing.. but if it were anyone else, I'd
say that they had been compromised by the government/other actors.

Kev

That's scary. The whole Tom DL enterprise seems so cheezy and commercial, it's hard to take seriously.

My question is, who are the "Zoharstargate" people? I'm seeing a lot of their stuff lately. Seems like their UFO / paranormal videos are popping up regularly, and the production values suggest that there's some money behind it, rather than so many other channels that just mine the Library of Congress for stock footage and images and narrate a story behind them.

a reply to: Blue Shift

zoharstargatetv.com...

It's a British based media company involved in various paranormal phenomenon.

I guess the plan was to get Johnny Rotten (aka John Lydon) to talk about UFOs for months on radio and TV then let Nick Pope head it all up as Noble Security Director with James Bond and Austin Powers on board too. Sell a few million shares and say they were going to build a Stargate. But some American schmuck got there first!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Seemed like poor old Jacques couldn't remember whether this stuff was from 1957 and went a decade earlier by mistake. A a bad case of 'premature ejection' I'd say. Sorry couldn't resist a pun.

I think there may be a whole lot more people who are being compromised. There seems to be a plot to just preach to the converted. The ufo community, 'skeptics' and 'debunkers' are left to argue with themselves about what the real motivations behind this "TTS AAS" project really is. No one involved will engage with UFO researchers, sceptics, debunkers except through friendly channels. Leslie Kean being one of those, Alejandro Rojas another and a few select others. The begging bowl is aimed squarely at the congregation of believers.

Or maybe TTS AAS is the only game in town now? Perhaps Puthoff and the crazy crowd that chase around together were told by the big boys in the Pentagon that they'd done nothing for nearly 50 years but produce reams of paper and questionable results. No more black funding for their crazy hobbies any more and they would have to do it on their own and raise their own money from now..... At that moment Tom DeLonge walked into their office.

a reply to: mirageman

So many people want to "mentally check out" or would prefer to just leave
the planet entirely if they could..

we are a captive audience..

Paranormal / UFO entertainment is the new religion.. or at least porn.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

I think the "UFOs are dangerous" grand lie is no longer believed.

Oh.. don't get me wrong..

"UFOs" (BOL, possibly the Phenomenon) can fry someone dead..
or occasionally heal someone (yes.. it's happened)..

But the big bad Gubmint doesn't care about that...

They only care about their nukes, ships, aircraft, etc.

If something can't harm those things (they can't or won't.. or it's too rare to worry about)..
then it's not "dangerous" or "research-worthy".

So I concur.

the Gubmint well of black funds is dry.. because Hillary didn't get elected..
they had her convinced to give them money...

but with Donald, I owe billions to Russia Trump, he's not going to fund them
for anything.

so yes... TDL stumbled along at the perfect moment.

Very astute observation my friend.

Kev

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Blue Shift

zoharstargatetv.com...

It's a British based media company involved in various paranormal phenomenon.

I guess the plan was to get Johnny Rotten (aka John Lydon) to talk about UFOs for months on radio and TV then let Nick Pope head it all up as Noble Security Director with James Bond and Austin Powers on board too. Sell a few million shares and say they were going to build a Stargate. But some American schmuck got there first!

Your comments point to a source that cannot be taken seriously 100%. Sure the videos are interesting for the historical images that are shown and I compare them to Ancient Aliens where they also show historical locations and images. But when "Gods" are sold I lose interest in the narration and what's presented. There are a lot of mysteries from the past but because we have nothing definite, the information presented has to be considered iffy. It's the narration of alleged theories that one has to watch out for. Zoharstargate videos are entertaining but they're aimed at gullible believers: ATS Aliens and UFO forum members for sure.

Anytime Nick Pope is mentioned I get the barf bag ready.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Seemed like poor old Jacques couldn't remember whether this stuff was from 1957 and went a decade earlier by mistake. A a bad case of 'premature ejection' I'd say. Sorry couldn't resist a pun.

I think there may be a whole lot more people who are being compromised. There seems to be a plot to just preach to the converted. The ufo community, 'skeptics' and 'debunkers' are left to argue with themselves about what the real motivations behind this "TTS AAS" project really is. No one involved will engage with UFO researchers, sceptics, debunkers except through friendly channels. Leslie Kean being one of those, Alejandro Rojas another and a few select others. The begging bowl is aimed squarely at the congregation of believers.

Or maybe TTS AAS is the only game in town now? Perhaps Puthoff and the crazy crowd that chase around together were told by the big boys in the Pentagon that they'd done nothing for nearly 50 years but produce reams of paper and questionable results. No more black funding for their crazy hobbies any more and they would have to do it on their own and raise their own money from now..... At that moment Tom DeLonge walked into their office.

I'm almost a charter member of the "UFO community" and I'm a skeptic and a debunker and I'm not arguing with anyone about "what the real motivations behind this "TTS AAS" project really is." We've had discussions here and since no member has come forward and stated that they are connected with the TTS AAS project, then everyone is speculating back and forth with no real knowledge. Why don't one of you seek an audience with DeLonge, pepper him with the questions and comments that have been posted here and if he cooperates come back here and start the thread to tell all. Frankly, the way he expresses himself you're going to end up with more gobbledygook and no real insight.

a reply to: Lathroper

He did a thread on here a while back. Plus there's a Joe Rogan interview on YT that didn't help the case for TTSA.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: mirageman

I think the "UFOs are dangerous" grand lie is no longer believed.

Oh.. don't get me wrong..

"UFOs" (BOL, possibly the Phenomenon) can fry someone dead..
or occasionally heal someone (yes.. it's happened)..

But the big bad Gubmint doesn't care about that...

They only care about their nukes, ships, aircraft, etc.

If something can't harm those things (they can't or won't.. or it's too rare to worry about)..
then it's not "dangerous" or "research-worthy".

So I concur.

the Gubmint well of black funds is dry.. because Hillary didn't get elected..
they had her convinced to give them money...

but with Donald, I owe billions to Russia Trump, he's not going to fund them
for anything.

so yes... TDL stumbled along at the perfect moment.

Very astute observation my friend.

Kev

Weird rambling! Where did you learn to think that way? Haven't you enjoyed life?

a reply to: Lathroper

Talking that way about a member is against the ATS T&C.

If you want to do that, do it indirectly using inuendo.

It's what everyone else does.

Kev

a reply to: Lathroper

I know some of the insiders personally.

Play nice with others now.

Kev

a reply to: Kandinsky

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thank you gentlemen for playing your part. I guess my response is probably no longer required. But I will post it anyway for the benefit of the forum.

zoharstargatetv.com... appears to be promoting all manner of paranormal videos. It has such people as Jaime Maussan listed on the site. Who, IMHO, is nothing more than a media entrepreneur to put it lightly. However it also appears to involve Steve Mera of Phenomena Magazine. For those who don't know he is the guy who debunked the tic-tac UFO picture used in the original report about the Nimitz Incident in 2004.




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