Special counsel: Manafort, Gates worked with Russian intelligence agent

“But, her emails...”

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: soberbacchus
Trump should come clean with what he knows. People will give him the benefit of the doubt (mostly) and he can get back to work.

Spare us another national crisis like Nixon, which had effects for more than a decade.

This. He would make so many things work better if hed be honest about this and other affairs.

Except you guys assume he has something to hide.

Remember, Manafort was there initially, already carrying "baggage".

Straight up calling it, nothing on Trump.

This manaforts deal.

Homie....check the user name. I aint "you guys". I just think Trump should be honest. We know hes not.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: soberbacchus
Trump should come clean with what he knows. People will give him the benefit of the doubt (mostly) and he can get back to work.

Agreed. He gets outed for banging Porn Stars and lying about it and the public just shrugs.
People can't really be shocked by Trump's moral bankruptcy anymore.
That makes me think that whatever he is trying to avoid in meeting with Mueller and letting the investigation conclude in a legitimate fashion is pretty serious.

This is my thought as well. He's Teflon Don for goodness sake, literally nothing sticks to him. I can't even fathom what he would be averse to just letting come out unless it was beyond damning. The only other thing I can rationalize is its not damning at all, but rather Trump's ego in some weird way is averse to perception changes he can't handle/stomach (which is incongruent in and of itself given the last year).

a reply to: Wayfarer

Trump could walk on this If he was honest.

He might not have known what the laws were, and was using his background in business as a guide.

Hey, the country gave JFK a pass for the Bay of Pigs. New young president, and whatnot.

Trump could plead ignorance and maybe get a one time pass.

No one want to see our country fail.

Thanks.

If the person was in identified, as stated in the quoted text, how do they know the unidentified person had ties with a Russian spy?

a reply to: soberbacchus

I believe that’s called collusion…Am I right?

a reply to: DogStarIn1066

Trump could walk on this If he was honest.

But he can't walk on lying about "The Wall" his #1 campaign pledge.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos
If the person was in identified, as stated in the quoted text, how do they know the unidentified person had ties with a Russian spy?

The name is redacted for public release. Mueller knows who it is.

Can I wait to see what "ties to" actually means and what the content of "communication" is before I am upset, or do I have to start sharpening the tines on my pitchfork already?
I have had "direct communication" with Russian sailors once on a goodwill visit, several decades ago, who probably had "ties to GRU". We didn't discuss anything of intelligence value. They mostly taught us to sing Russian drinking songs. We didn't even get to drink.
I assume most well-connected business people in Russia have "ties to" the GRU, KGB, or FSB. Just like bankers and businessmen here have ties to politicians. Most politicians in Russia have ties to the old KGB or FSB.

I'm not saying it was innocent, either. I just don't think this means much by itself.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: DogStarIn1066

Trump could walk on this If he was honest.

But he can't walk on lying about "The Wall" his #1 campaign pledge.

www.youtube.com...

I would let him walk on that promise. I don't think it would be that effective, given that most of our boarder in the West and south is costal.

He gets a pass from me for that.

Thanks.

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: Wayfarer

Trump could walk on this If he was honest.

He might not have known what the laws were, and was using his background in business as a guide.

Hey, the country gave JFK a pass for the Bay of Pigs. New young president, and whatnot.

Trump could plead ignorance and maybe get a one time pass.

No one want to see our country fail.

Thanks.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, I think letting him skate for that reason would be an insult to the american people who are constantly held to a much more rigid standard of justice.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Only confirms what Jerome Corsi was talking about on C2C last night. The FBI is operating a behind the scenes coup d'etat to overthrow the Trump Presidency, working in tandem with the CIA's media campaign against Trump via the MSM.

Cool! Trump supporters are watching their country being stolen from them right beneath their noses.

Angst and anguish for them; glee and delight for the Deep State Globalists and their supporters.

Now granted this may in fact all be true, but it seems rather coincidental that Manafort is submitting a pretty decent argument for dismissal of the charges against him and now this gets released. I am not naive enough to think any of the politicians in our government are "clean" guys, and Manafort definetly has his share of shady probably illegal dealings, however I don't put it past the other side to fight tooth and nail to keep using the special council investigation for political reasons as long as possible to put as much advantage on their side as they can coming into the 2018 elections. Just my first thought when reading about this.

a reply to: eNumbra

But...intent is now the precedent yea?

a reply to: eNumbra

Have given you a star for disagreeing with me, because I agree with you.

I am just thinking of a way our country can move away from causing us years of really serious division, by giving Trump a one time chance to come clean.

My kids screw up also, but I don't bring them to the police. If Trumps crimes are minor, can't we understand that we as a nation are a family, bruise his ego, and let him go forward.

Next time we cut off his feet and leave him at sea for the sharks...

Thanks.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: eNumbra

But...intent is now the precedent yea?

As soon as it starts getting me out of speeding tickets it will be.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: soberbacchus
Trump should come clean with what he knows. People will give him the benefit of the doubt (mostly) and he can get back to work.

Spare us another national crisis like Nixon, which had effects for more than a decade.

This. He would make so many things work better if hed be honest about this and other affairs.

Except you guys assume he has something to hide.

Remember, Manafort was there initially, already carrying "baggage".

Straight up calling it, nothing on Trump.

This manaforts deal.

Homie....check the user name. I aint "you guys". I just think Trump should be honest. We know hes not.

umm, I never said you were "you guys". I'm just saying, assumptions.

a reply to: RadioRobert

If I'm correct, the person in question is Konstantin Kilimnik. He's Ukrainian, about 47-48, started out as a Soviet military trained translator (Swedish, English), having moved to Moscow in the late 80's and enrolled in the Military Institute of the Ministry for Defense at 17.

He apparently spent time serving in the GRU before going into the private sector in the mid-90's (International Republican Institute, Moscow). He started working for Manafort in 2005 when Manafort was first contracted by Akhmetov and continued on after Manafort started working for Yanukovych.

a reply to: eNumbra

I hear its already being used to lessen sentances in other classified materials cases so you never know. I know if it was me in court I sure would try it and flat out ask the judge what makes me and her so different under US law...the response would be worth it even if it didn't work lol.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
Can I wait to see what "ties to" actually means and what the content of "communication" is before I am upset, or do I have to start sharpening the tines on my pitchfork already?
I have had "direct communication" with Russian sailors once on a goodwill visit, several decades ago, who probably had "ties to GRU". We didn't discuss anything of intelligence value. They mostly taught us to sing Russian drinking songs. We didn't even get to drink.
I assume most well-connected business people in Russia have "ties to" the GRU, KGB, or FSB. Just like bankers and businessmen here have ties to politicians. Most politicians in Russia have ties to the old KGB or FSB.

I'm not saying it was innocent, either. I just don't think this means much by itself.

I'm not sure anyone would begrudge your interactions with Russian's (even as you say they may have had tertiary connections to the GRU), especially because you weren't commander in chief of the country (nor trying to be). I mean, isn't this whole shebang boil down to the concern that by not just disclosing everything/anything that may seem unpleasant, there is a possibility of extortion and/or control? Like what was mentioned above, most of the folks who support Trump (and probably a fair few who don't), could probably care less that he cheats on his wife or is a duplicitous businessman, just so long as whatever he does leading the country benefits them in some way.

Its even sillier because with Republican control of the house & senate, there is practically a zero chance that anything bad would happen even if he admitted to some minor collusion with Russia through stupidity or lack of control of his subordinates.

That's why there has been several calls for him to just come out with all the potentially embarrassing snafu's that have likely lead to a sizable portion of his administration having some kind of shady connection to Russia, if only for the fact that once its disclosed and common knowledge there isn't anything more they could possibly hang over his head to get him to do something that's not in the US's best interest.