Questions regarding the "deep state"

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: MountainLaurel

Most appointees leave after political parties change in a presidential election. However, in non-DOD agencies most have come up through the ranks, and serve as managers in the complex field of administration.

I have a high opinion of the ones who came up through the ranks. Not so much for appointees, who hang around for a few years, don't have the experience required to manage thousands of people, and are generally politically motivated.

I have not seen any "deep state" behavior by the SES. Mostly the big complaint is that they don't stay around long enough. Imagine having to train a new boss every year who has no experience in the goverment. They don't know the very strict rules on how to spend funds, and often don't understand the requirements for competition.

Some of these folks are filling out a job posting and then moving on to the private secter. This is an ethical problem.

My 2 cents as a fed.

Thanks for your insight on this issue, it's interesting to hear from someone who works for the Fed. Would you be willing to share what dept. you work for in the Fed ?

The working theory being explored and proven, is that under the Obama administration aprox. 8,000 new positions were created in the SES, increasing it from about 1,000 positions prior to that. These seem to be coveted jobs, that have very little, if any oversight. As you pointed out people with little or no experience are able to bypass the rank and file that work their way up the ladder and become the BOSS of that agency ! The SES , comprised of many lawyers, have somehow written laws that they can't be fired, they can't be prosecuted for misdeeds, no one knows how much they are paid, other then they start at about 200k a year + bonuses and cash "awards", they receive this salary for life. So what do they do ? Why do we need them ?

I believe they are appointed to run interference to achieve an agenda ( Globalism ) and to be the eyes and ears for the "deep state" in the event that they need that agency and / or to fleece those agencies by bypassing the rules and strict budgets, as you point out. They move them around to provide plausible deniability.

a reply to: MountainLaurel

Interesting post and subject around the SES. I've never heard of it... I will say, Trump likes to get rid of anything and everything Obama did (even overturning clean water protections from mining companies) so if the SES is indeed a massively funded perpetual state mechanism for globalism, I'd venture to guess Trump will get rid of it.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Harpua

Great Post !I Hope you are here Tomorrow , Best of Luck .

Whats happening tomorrow? ahahaha

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: The GUT
Globalists and those compromised by foreign interests come disguised with a variety of political affiliations. Having said that, this isn't a shot at Dems. Bush Crime Family or Clinton Crime Family same-same when it comes to it. Just sayin'...they're everywhere and what the deep state is made of.

Gasp! President Obama caught with a book! That will never happen with Trump! Seriously, though, you cannot tell whether Obama necessarily agrees with the content of the book, only that he is doing his duty as president to be informed about all the opinions and options.

I laughed. I wish I could give this a zillion stars. He's got a wide range of reading material and (unlike many) reads books about subjects that he does not necessarily agree with (this is something that people with high level law degrees do... read both sides because someone's going to ask them about it.)

originally posted by: Harpua

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Harpua

Great Post !I Hope you are here Tomorrow , Best of Luck .

Whats happening tomorrow? ahahaha

It's Thursday. Taco day, I think.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DogStarIn1066

Limit "gubment" but have more oversight over corporations?

Thats impossible in the current climate. The authorities, the Justice System, the gubment infrastructure are labyrinths of bureaucracy and corruption, protected by armed guards, all beholden to the 'Establishment'.

Ask a different question or reword it?

And that is exactly what the Kremlin wants you to believe.

More Kremlin mind hacks?

First they hacked our election now our beliefs.

Nice switch, mind meld someone else.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

your only saying it would be silly to expect one to do that, and it is,
but that doesnt mean he isnt doing that.
the people thinking he is doing that at this point by and large think so because he is showing it. some can see it already, others will soon enough.

originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

your only saying it would be silly to expect one to do that, and it is,
but that doesnt mean he isnt doing that.
the people thinking he is doing that at this point by and large think so because he is showing it. some can see it already, others will soon enough.

reply to bigfatfurrytexan

Actually, there can be huge benefits and massive consolidation after the market tanks. This previous housing and banking crisis resulted in many big players buying up many smaller players. These are short term losses that end up being long term gains with more control over the market.

a reply to: Harpua

I might have shared this in another thread we were both posting on, Harpua, but if not I highly recommend this excellent book. Old history I know but it provides a great lens into the mindsets and techniques that are still in use today. Not only well-researched, but well-written and a truly engrossing read. It'll make ones blood boil though. Check out the reviews to get a little more insight into what to expect.

The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Harpua

I might have shared this in another thread we were both posting on, Harpua, but if not I highly recommend this excellent book. Old history I know but it provides a great lens into the mindsets and techniques that are still in use today. Not only well-researched, but well-written and a truly engrossing read. It'll make ones blood boil though. Check out the reviews to get a little more insight into what to expect.

The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government

I am aware of this book and have been hearing (good and creepy) things about it all over the place lately. I believe I have pretty good understanding of the premise, the events that support the premise and at least a few of the players. I will buy the audio book version because thats often how I've been enjoying non fiction lately, put a book on for a couple hours before bed.

Also, I've been writing an essay about the gun control debate which I recently realized needs a second pair of eyes... considering you are a pretty eloquent writer yourself and quite familiar with the major historic frames of reference needed to understand both sides of the issue, perhaps you'd be willing to take a look at it and offer suggestions as to how to make it really stand out? It might be a bit much to ask, but I figured I'd do it anyway, hahaha.

I'm hoping to shift the dialogue around the debate to where it might really have a better long term result and to a place where i believe both left wing and right wing ideologies will find common ground. Anyhow, I don't know a lot of people who are aware of how deep the rabbit holes go in regards to counter intelligence and media manipulation, but I really want to get this idea out to people. I'd like to approach some alternative papers about publishing if it has the punch I think it might.

a reply to: Harpua

Of course---worthwhile and interesting. Very worthwhile I'd say from the hints you've given
I believe there's more common ground than not on just about all of the "hot button' issues if we break the divisive "spell" that seems to have been cast over society. Looking forward to it.

a reply to: The GUT

Alright, I'll send you a lengthy PM. Not sure how many characters the message app inside ATS is, but I imagine it will fit.

Might take an hour or so, need to make some notes and provide insight in to where I'm trying to take it.

a reply to: intrptr

First they hacked our election now our beliefs.

They did not "hack our election," they hacked our citizens' minds. Just look at some of the posts here on ATS. Anti-American vitriol with strange grammar. Where do you think those posts are coming from?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: intrptr

First they hacked our election now our beliefs.

They did not "hack our election," they hacked our citizens' minds. Just look at some of the posts here on ATS. Anti-American vitriol with strange grammar. Where do you think those posts are coming from?

Nice redoubt. "They hacking our minds", proof being we don't believe in gubment lies told thru the media (and we can't spell).

a reply to: Harpua

What makes you think globalists are right or left wing?

Pretty obvious for those who are paying attention.

Which is made even more obvious by virtue of the people we put in to power throughout the developing world.

Until Trump came along that is.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: intrptr

First they hacked our election now our beliefs.

They did not "hack our election," they hacked our citizens' minds. Just look at some of the posts here on ATS. Anti-American vitriol with strange grammar. Where do you think those posts are coming from?

Nice redoubt. "They hacking our minds", proof being we don't believe in gubment lies told thru the media (and we can't spell).

The goal of covert warfare is to exploit your enemy's inherent weaknesses. Distrust of government is hard wired into the American state. We pride ourselves on our revolutionary roots, and it is easy for a traitor to style themselves a "patriot.""

Why do you think the NRA has shifted its tack from "guns to defend from crime" to "guns to defend from government?"

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: intrptr

First they hacked our election now our beliefs.

They did not "hack our election," they hacked our citizens' minds. Just look at some of the posts here on ATS. Anti-American vitriol with strange grammar. Where do you think those posts are coming from?

Nice redoubt. "They hacking our minds", proof being we don't believe in gubment lies told thru the media (and we can't spell).

The goal of covert warfare is to exploit your enemy's inherent weaknesses. Distrust of government is hard wired into the American state. We pride ourselves on our revolutionary roots, and it is easy for a traitor to style themselves a "patriot.""

Why do you think the NRA has shifted its tack from "guns to defend from crime" to "guns to defend from government?"

Enemies without and within is always been the explicit reason for an armed populace. Of course the Usurpers will call the patriot a traitor.

a reply to: intrptr

Enemies without and within is always been the explicit reason for an armed populace. Of course the Usurpers will call the patriot a traitor.

Who are the Usurpers? What are they usurping?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: intrptr

Enemies without and within is always been the explicit reason for an armed populace. Of course the Usurpers will call the patriot a traitor.

Who are the Usurpers? What are they usurping?

Dummying up, wha who meee?

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: intrptr

Enemies without and within is always been the explicit reason for an armed populace. Of course the Usurpers will call the patriot a traitor.

Who are the Usurpers? What are they usurping?

Dummying up, wha who meee?

Yes, you. Please explain yourself. You gave out a garbled monarchist version of the NRA's latest propaganda. What form of government do you support? Or are you an anarchist?