Oh, it is ON! CA sues over Census Question.

originally posted by: BlueAjah

originally posted by: Reverbs

originally posted by: SunnyDee
Not sure the question will matter. When a census taker asks ifa person is a citizen, they will just lie.

Its legal to not be a citizen silly..

and you can lie about every question including how many people occupy the household. I fail to see your point.

It is a crime to lie on the Federal Census.
18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

Also, if someone lied about being a citizen on the census when they are not, then later tried to become a citizen, they would be deported for lying on the census.

Assuming that was checked during the citizenship process. Is it?

The 14th amendment, Section 2 is pretty clear: "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed."

The whole number of persons in each state seems like it would include non-citizens. Also, you can be a legal resident of the US and still not be a citizen.

a reply to: Blaine91555
Actually one thing a lot of people don't know is other than your name/s, DOB/s and sex/es you really don't need to answer any other questions. I never have and they have never come back asking me to finish it.

I live in rural LA county and if Cali splits like the New California movement wants, the only caveat I'd ask is cut LA county in half at the mountains because we aren't Blue, we're red. They try to impose LA laws/codes here and hello we mostly have 1+ acres of land(we have 8 acres), dirt roads, wells, septic systems, propane, no cable etc. We are NOT a city, we are definitely the country.

I hate the freakin yuppies that move here, buy a house in neighborhoods with dirt roads and trailers and farm animals, no big shopping unless you drive 20 miles etc and then Bitch about it. Hello if you hate the way it is here go back to LA or move to Palmdale where it is more 'civilized'. LOL

a reply to: Lilroanie

Actually I applaud those trying to escape the cities, but they do need to realize they should not bring the city with them. Just like those going the opposite way should not expect the city to bend to them.

a reply to: TheRedneck

This is a major win!

Fully Constitutional with hundreds of years of precedent!

a reply to: TheRedneck

This is a major win!

Fully Constitutional with hundreds of years of precedent!

a reply to: TheRedneck

Since when has Invading Illegal Foreign National been Redefined as Immigrant ? The Chasm Between the Reality of Legal Immigrant and that Exact Description is Vast . Radical Liberal Think/Speak Fails Miserably when a Truth Slaps it in it's Face.........

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Spent years pointing out that the rift between cities and the country folk was growing. It seems that them city slickers are stacking the deck illegally.

I agree that we need to account for all people in the US. But we need to know who is and is not a citizen.

Yes true.

But that's racist. lol.

You and I know the USA is an open state.

All them illegal russians voting for Trump is bad, tho.

(had to throw that in)

It's illegal to ask if you are a citizen?

lol, ok. I'll try that here.

Gee, I wonder where hillary got the popular vote?

I been hearing there is only 11 mil illegals in the whole USA since the 90's.

Let's try 30-40 mil now.

It's called a census for a reason.



To the census!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Spent years pointing out that the rift between cities and the country folk was growing. It seems that them city slickers are stacking the deck illegally.

I agree that we need to account for all people in the US. But we need to know who is and is not a citizen.

We do, but doing so with identifying information is a good way to encourage lying on the census. Who would tell the truth, if the information could be used against them to deport them?

Additionally, we do need to take some steps to ensure residents have at least some degree of legal representation. Making the census blind to citizenship is part of a way to do that.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If this is done, California could lose 4 to 5 representatives.

The numbers I've heard:

California - 6
Texas - 1 or 2
Florida - 1

a reply to: Blaine91555

Oh, I'm not doubting you... just speaking from my limited experience as an enumerator. And yes, I can completely understand your consternation at the intrusion; I would be very concerned for the health of anyone who barged into my home and started rifling through my things. That kind of action has been established as a cause of acute lead poisoning.

If there were no other buildings, apparently someone just goofed up, badly. It's no wonder if there were as many problems as you say. Luckily I have never had any such problems... but considering that my wife and I are now the only family living in all these buildings here, I expect 2020 to be a little more intrusive.

So the 2010 census did ask about citizenship! Good to know!

TheRedneck

I think Trump should let Kim use cali as target practice.

Half the population of Cali is probably illegal immigrants. LOL

a reply to: Teikiatsu

What about NY? NYC has to have its fair share.

a reply to: Aazadan

It seems to me folks refusing that question would qualify as not qualified for federal interaction. Meaning the districting and services are not based on people who do not appropriately respond.

Im ambivalent on the notion as i know the kind of guy Trump is. I don't want deportation efforts. I want uncle sam to have a backbone and defend my rights. Simple downward pressure should help. I.E, attack funding and make the legislature representative of voters. Hold the state itself accountable for managing its duty to the other states.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Aazadan

It seems to me folks refusing that question would qualify as not qualified for federal interaction. Meaning the districting and services are not based on people who do not appropriately respond.

Im ambivalent on the notion as i know the kind of guy Trump is. I don't want deportation efforts. I want uncle sam to have a backbone and defend my rights. Simple downward pressure should help. I.E, attack funding and make the legislature representative of voters. Hold the state itself accountable for managing its duty to the other states.

I think the problem is that we've already decided rights apply to people who are residents of the US regardless of if they're legal or not. Congress needs to represent residents rather than citizens. That doesn't necessarily mean providing those people with more or even any services but it's not such a radical notion to count them. We did something similar in the past with the 3/5's compromise, except in hindsight we realized that still under represented people and ultimately lead to war.

There's certainly times to figure out who is and isn't a citizen, but a census which is trying to establish the number of residents isn't that time because it will cause illegals to lie or just not report.

The part of this that is the most concerning to me is.... it is setting up a situation where something like the "mark of the beast" ... some sort of Fail-Safe system for accounting for every single citizen....... is almost justifiable

Can someone from the liberal side please explain to me why liberals are out of their minds over supposed meddling by Russians in the 2016 election when all they did was put unflattering information about hillary on social media yet they have no problem at all with letting foreign nationals in the form of illegal aliens apply a direct hands-on interference in our elections by voting for a world leader in a country where they do not legally reside.

I would really like to understand why the lesser form of meddling is so incredibly serious but the greater more dangerous form is perfectly fine...

Liberals, please tell the truth here: if all the illegal aliens voted for republicans would you still be in favor of letting them vote?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

You don't think residents should have a say in where they live? What's the phrase, no taxation without representation? They get taxed...

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Liberals, please tell the truth here: if all the illegal aliens voted for republicans would you still be in favor of letting them vote?

I don't care who people vote for, or if they vote at all. I think that all residents should have voting rights. Without the power of a vote, you become an underclass. Look at what has happened to Puerto Rico (and they're even citizens).

I think that citizenship as you're referring to it, is something of an archaic concept.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Vroomfondel

You don't think residents should have a say in where they live? What's the phrase, no taxation without representation? They get taxed...

Same with some other criminals, like felons.