Bush is the Little Horn

BUSH IS THE LITTLE HORN

Dear Friends,

I was at the altar of God and I spoke to Him and I believe he spoke
to me. I wept there and talked to Him about the many revelations
that man has, the church has. I asked God to give me a revelation
that comes straight from Him.

I believe the Lord showed me that the prophecies in the book of
Daniel, the prophets and Revelation are spiritual. People are
trying to figure out who the beast is, who the little horn is, who the
antichrist is, etc. I believe the Lord said, they represent different
ages. Every age thought they faced the beast or the antichrist,
etc. and in the spiritual sense they did.

Go to: www.prophecywatcher.com
to view complete article.

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[edit on 21-2-2005 by dbates]

Book of Revelation was Jesus using John to write it, and at the end he declared " woe to those who add to this writing and woe to them who take out of it my words"

Daniel declared a 70 week period until christ comes, 69 had completed when he did come, leaving 1 week left. It has to do with the rebuilding of the Temple as I recall. So a Day was as a year and 463 years went when Jesus entered Jerusalem. So a seven years timeframe still exists.

Now Daniel was asked by Nebucanezzar about a dream he could not remember. Daniel explained the dream as a statue with him being the head but being overcome from the next Kingdom and that being destroyed from the one below it in the statue until we come to the 2 legs of Iron ( Rome having 2 capitals) the last kingdom ( ten toes )is in the form of the Iron mixed with clay or the Revised Roman Empire.

It was two Roman generals who destroyed Jerusalem, Vespasious and Titus ( spelling?) so the symbol of Rome where a peace plan coming from the Anti-Christ making it. Remember Jerusalem shall be a Thorn in every nation, suicide bombers attacking any and every nation for their goal of rule.

I find the EU or Europe United which has just accepted a woman sitting on a best similar to that of the woman speaking blasphemy against God, no wonder John Paul II is asking the EU to reconsider putting God into their constitution.

For a much better understanding you should visit Jack Van Impe who has a better understanding on what this book means from a lifetime of study.
www.jvim.com...

As for our President being the Anti-Christ again this person shall rise out of the sea of Nations built on the treaty of Rome, remember also no one will know the name of this person except the Father shall know his name. he will also have a false clergyman proclaiming him God after his wound is healed I believe. More like another Hitler who come in with words of peace and then like Japn emporer stands up and calls himself GOD, those unwilling to bow will be put to death.

Sounds like your a Democrate and mad at losing the Election? The Bible explains itself, the Anti-christ will come out of Europe with an EU president making a Historic peace plan in the middle east that will appear to work, People will shout PEACE PEACE only half way thru it will be broken and all Hell will break loose leading to the Battle of Megeddo ( spelling sorry )

The EU will grow until we have a cashless society, and who soever has not the mark, name or number of the Beast shall not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this chip? or tattoe will have an infection from taking it.

Again adding or taking out any of what is in Revelation has dire result, I must be accurate in what I state as well.

Let Christ written word guide you, and test the Spirit speaking great things, as Satan himself seeks to mirror Christ but for his plan of destruction.

Michael

From the article you quoted

I dreamed that I saw Yasar Arafat in combat with his men. They
were attacking someone with rockets. Yasar was telling them
that fighting in this war was a high honor to God. Then there was
a nuclear explosion near where they were.

Well It's kind of hard to defend this vision/dream now that Arafat is dead. I'll just leave it at that and let others find more problems with this prophecy.

Y'know, DBates has a point. I do not know much about this, but I'm gonna Google some facts on this, and I'll get back to you.

-Chris

[edit on 2/21/2005 by Legend]

Originally posted by dbates
Well It's kind of hard to defend this vision/dream now that Arafat is dead. I'll just leave it at that and let others find more problems with this prophecy.

It's just another Bush is evil rant in the disquise of a prophecy/dream/vision. It's not even creative and well thought out.

If I am wrong about this, I will be very surprised.

He'll be surprised that Bush is not the antichrist? Come on.


Also in everyone of his dreams and visions, Bush did nothing to show that he's the antichrist. The next paragraph always starts with "I believe this is blah blah blah...."
In the nuke war dream, there was no date given or anything so why did he come to the conclusion that Bush was president?
He doesn't say who we're at nuclear war with and why.


The whole thing is false

Why don't people just come out and say "I hate Bush" instead of all this crap.

Ya know, maybe I could become famous like this guy tried by making a random post; something along the lines of:

Bush IS SATAN!!!! *PROOF!1!!!1*

might work...

haha, [/endsarcasm]



-wD

www.jesus-is-savior.com...&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm

OKAY IM STILL WAITING FOR THESE PROPHESIES TO HAPPEN!!!!

Originally posted by ufo_believer
OKAY IM STILL WAITING FOR THESE PROPHESIES TO HAPPEN!!!!

You'll be surprised that most prophecies to come out of ATS aren't true. You'll fine some true predictions here and there, but for the most part, they are false. Why were you typing in caps?

Anyway, I had an idea. What if people who make predictions see things from alternate universes? I mean...they see things, but they don't come true on THIS universe?

Does anyone think I read too much Science Fiction?

-Chris

You know, I'll just bet you that Bush does have a little horn. There's no other explanation for his big man's toys type of bravado.
You know what they say, " the bigger the gun, the smaller the horn".
Thanks for clearing that up for me. It makes sense now. He's compensating for a having a little horn.

LOL!

That was pretty funny..even though im a conservative.. =P

-wD

This is an old post but considering that some might read it and get confused I thought i should clean it up a little.

The second poster said a lot that was error .

The seventh week does not pertain to the building of the temple until after the city of Jerusalem is taken by the Gentiles, the EU. Only after the Jews have been removed from the city will the Anti Christ order the temple to be built. This has been the goal of the free-masons since their conception.

Their is no scripture that says there will be a peace treaty period.There are many Antichrists. Any religion that was born out of a revelation of Jesus and since has developed false doctrines that are contrary to scripture, is an Antichrist because they have gone against Gods word who is Christ. However, the wost of the worst would be the Catholic Religion based on history and doctrine, therefore it should be the Pope who is the Antichrist and not a world government leader.

Considering the little horn, if you will read Daniel 8:8,9 you will know better where he comes from

8) therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven.
9) And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east and toward the pleasant land.

This scripture is revealed to talk about Alexander the great and his four generals who took over his kingdom after his death. These four generals were given authority over Greece, Turkey. Jordan and Egypt. It is out of one of these that the little horn must come.

I believe it will be Turkey because the king of Turkey is trying to join the EU as a full member as we speak. None of the others are making any attempt at this. At the same time the king of Turkey is at present trying to form a union between Muslim nations toward his south (Egypt) toward his east (Saudi Arabia) and toward the pleasant land (Syria and Palestine.

Once he has accomplished this all he will need to do is get 3 of the existing EU full members to submit to his authority and he will have matched all of the prophecies concerning him.

Many prophecies in Daniel and Thess and Rev are mistakingly lined up with the Antichrist when if you study them closely are speaking of different individuals. Christians are famous for taking the word out of context.

The scripture that says 'when they cry peace and safety,' has nothing to do with the covenant and because so many have taken it out of its context, they have missed the fact that the covenant of Daniel 9:27 was signed in 1/1/2007. It is called the European Neighborhood Partnership Instrument. It was a series of agreements between the EU and different Middle East nations that were made at different times but that were all confirmed to suit the EU 7 year budget on 1/1/2007 by Joveir Solana, a man who should be watched.

He has stated that the battle of Armageddon will commence in the middle of the 7 years. This is error , it will be at the end of the 7 years. Luke 20:21 tells us that armies will surround Jerusalem in the middle of the 7 but this is only to take away the daily sacrifice and take control of the City. Though this sounds like it will bring Armageddon, it does not. The beast who ascends out of the pit will cause Armageddon. It is his person that we do not know yet and will not know until he ascends from the pit.

Who is the Little Horn then. I am sure it is todays King of Turkey

reply to post by cwhjra


if you're going to use this line of argument at all, perhaps you should rather be looking at Syria. let me suggest a reason why.

Out of the 4 subkingdoms that followed Alexander, the one that you have labelled Jordan actually stretched (at the beginning) right from Palestine to Babylon, but eventually centred more on Antioch and Syria. Antioch was named after one of their kings. This was the Seleucid dynasty. Out of the 4 successor lines, this was the one which ended up ruling Palestine and the Jews.

The most notorious member of this dynasty was Antiochus Epiphanes, who was, as it were, an early version of the little horn. When Jesus spoke of the "abomination of desolation", he was inviting his audience to look for something similar to what A.E. did.

So if you're going to look for a little horn in the successor states of Alexander, this is surely the one. (Mind you, I haven't decided yet that this really is the right way to look for it).

reply to post by mdulin2004


Ahhh, he has it completely wrong. G. W. Bush isn't the little horn. He was the great horn of the goat. You need to look at the chronology of the prophesies of Daniel to see how they fit together. But it works like this.

Just before the end of the years start in verse 11-6 there are a couple of preliminary events in verses 11-2 through 11-5. Namely the attack on the country that looked Greek to Daniel by 4 nations/kings from ancient Persia.(middle east)

Then the prophecy jumps to the battle of the ram and the goat in Daniel 8. Then the 2 prophesies combine at 11-4 and 8-8 & 8-22. So assuming that Daniel is repeating then the country that looked Greek is the US. The goat's great horn is the government of the US which at the time of the 9-11 attacks was being led by Bush. Now Obama has taken over for Bush so the mantle of the great horn has fallen to him. G. Bush as Alexander the great. There's a funny thought.

So to continue out the prophesies out to their conclusion the future events being predicted is that Iran which is acting the part of the ram and was the ancient homeland of Persia is conquered. Once dead then the great horn is broken and 4 nations replace it.

Then in 11-6 the 7 year agreement is signed followed by the Pearl Harbor attack on Rome and the Vatican and the start of WW3.

This is conjecture at this point but there is a couple of details that indicate this is a possible scenario being played out.

First. Some bible prophesies simply repeat. They have multiple fulfillments. This could be one of those prophesies.

Second. Daniel 11-6 states that the prophesy is supposed to occur in the end of the years. And later in the prophesy it states in verse 40 that it happens at the time of the end. So when is this time of the end? If you look at chap 2 you can draw only one conclusion. It happens in the time of the toes of iron and clay. Which has yet to happen. Also toss in verse 12-4 it says the end will occur in a time where knowledge is increased and people run to and fro.

The events that happened in the BC era did not fulfill that detail of the prophesy. Daniel 11 appears to be unfulfilled.

And one last thing...If I see Iran under attack or the government there is overthrown for some reason I would seriously consider the advice of my signature.

[edit on 15-4-2010 by ntech]

Originally posted by Ark-Angel
The EU will grow until we have a cashless society, and who soever has not the mark, name or number of the Beast shall not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this chip? or tattoe will have an infection from taking it.

I can tell you they've worked from the late 90's to bring this "cashless society" to become a reality. A cartel of 3 banks coughed up a project called "Cash Card" it had a max. of 1500 sek top amount. This idea was short lived due to the high costs for the merchants.

Now the Arbetsmiljöverket (Swedish Work Environment Authority) wants to ban retail cash. You can read more here LINK

If one does not believe the bible to be the word of God one can say these scriptures mean anything they want and your hypothesis will mean nothing in the end. However, when you realize that the word is God then you begin to rightly divide every word with a righteous fear knowing that you will be judged on every idle word.
If you understand this then when the word says the little horn comes out of one of the 4 notable ones and history reveals that these were the 4 generals that came from Alexander the greats kingdom, we must accept that to be true above any imagination that arises.
We are told to cast down every high thought and imagination that rises above the knowledge of God and bring into captivity every thought into Christ.
Therefore the little horn must come out of one of these 4 areas.
Now seeing as he waxes great toward the east, south and pleasant land and the king of turkey is doing just that at this time halfway through the 7 year covenant by trying to put together a union of Muslim nations in that direction and He is trying to join the EU as a member state at this very time he fits the the description of the little horn where the King of Syria is doing nothing that would make him a qualifier in this respect.

ntech;
Daniel 11 1 to 20 is a matter of historical record. All of what is stated in that portion of 11 has been fulfilled. It says that it pertains to the king of the north and the king of the south only and these prove to be Syria and Egypt historically. This chapter does not relate to the little horn in Daniel 8 and 7 unless the king of Syria were waxing great toward the east, south and pleasant land which he is not or if he were at least at this time be trying to become a little horn among the 10 full member horns of the EU. In this he is not either. It is for these reasons that he is disqualified as the little horn and Turkey is the greatest suspect.

It is this same reasoning that disqualifies Jordon even though Jordon may look like he has more influence in the Area of Jerusalem.

There is far to much history here to even entertain the thought that the US has any thing to do with these characters.

The US is surely a key player in prophecy but as the second beast of Rev 13 only. There is nothing in Daniel that can be pointed to the USA

sorry.

reply to post by Ark-Angel



The Antichrist is Charles (which means "free man"), Prince of Wales (net worth, 500 trillion $) as he is also named Arthur (which means "strong man"; as an Anglican King Arthur will again rule the Holy Roman Empire) and he a "King of Kings" in the line of David and is the head of the Order of the Garter (the 13th tribe of Israel) which governs all the Illuminati including the 13th Illuminati family (London's Rothschilds, net worth, 300 trillion $) and all Freemasons and upon his mother's death will be the head of the Church of England (which is how he can be a temporal as well as spiritual King).

Look at the symbolism and imagery that refers to the Beast, the Antichrist, in the books of Daniel and Revelation in the Holy Bible and compare the symbolism/imagery with what is represented on the royal ccoat of arms of the Prince of Wales.

Prince Charles' mother Queen Elizabeth II sits upon Hebrew King David's ACTUAL throne, the throne upon which Charles will be crowned the Hebrew King of Kings in Solomon's Temple once it has been rebuilt a third time (funds for rebuilding the Temple have now been gathered and permission to rebuild has been given so rebuilding is in progress; it began this past March 16th; see www.templeinstitute.org...).

Prince Charles, the Prince of Peace (as he restores the palestinian state and settles the unrest in the Middle East) will be crowned the Hebrew King of Kings (the Antichrist) at a coronation ceremony in Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem.

He will rule alongside the False Prophet, the Sainted Pope John Paul II (who the Jesuit Knights of Malta answer to) who King Charles will resurrect from the dead (as Lazarus was by Christ) in order to demonstrate his divine power (but it is Satan who is impersonating the risen Pope John Paul II, for only the real Christ can resurrect a dead man).

For more information read: "The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea", a book that offers evidence concerning the identity of the antichrist of Bible prophecy, who appears to be PRINCE CHARLES OF WALES.

An excerpt: Prince Charles, unlike all previous candidates, fulfills the following scriptural criteria: His name calculates to 666 in both English and Hebrew; the symbols in his heraldic achievement or coat of arms are identical to those of the "first beast" of Revelation 13; he claims descent from David, Jesus, and Mohammed, but is most likely from the tribe of Dan and Odin (Satan); he literally serves the red dragon (Satan), which was central to his 1969 investiture as the Prince of Wales; he wants to be the King of Europe; he heads the United World Colleges; he steers the environmental ethics and business agendas of over 100 of the world's largest multinational corporations; he is credited for the success of the Rio Earth Summit and thus the Kyoto Protocol, and he has spearheaded the push for enforceable environmentalism worldwide; he initiated the Global Security Programme and its lecture series, for which Mikhail Gorbachev has become a spokesperson; he has partnered with the United Nations and the World Bank; he appears to be responsible for the initiation of the current Mideast "peace process", and has been directly involved since Yitzhak Rabin's funeral; he has taken a traceable bio-chip implant; and his media exposure has exceeded that of every other man in history. The book also details the British Monarchy's centuries-long conspiracy for a "New World Order" using the Order of the Garter, which is the core leadership of the Priory of Sion, the Knights Templar, the Rosicrucians, English and French Freemasonry, and the Illuminati, as well as the overarching "Committee of 300."

www.greaterthings.com...

reply to post by cwhjra


quote The US is surely a key player in prophecy but as the second beast of Rev 13 only. There is nothing in Daniel that can be pointed to the USA
quote

I beg to differ on that point. Lets start with Daniel 11-2.

And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

According to Daniel's version of the end times this is the first event to happen. However this simply has not been possible to do until after WWI and the breakup of the Ottoman empire. "Persia" quite simply has been part of one empire or another since the Romans.

Now what are the conditions that Daniel has put on the prophecy? To start with read Chap 10. This prophecy is a vision. Daniel is describing a motion picture in his head of the future. So then you have to give weight to the notion that the word "Grecia is what is known as a simile. It's a description. It looked Greek. It's not the actual nation of Greece. Another condition is in verse 11-6. Verse 11-2 happens just before the end of years start. And verse 12-9 states when the end occurs. When knowledge is increased and people run to and fro about the earth. That verse is not describing the 300s BC.

So while those events in the historical records happened there is just one problem. They don't fulfill the time requirements of Daniel. Not all the conditions were met. Meaning all of Daniel 11 is unfulfilled.

Then look at what has happened in the last 9 years. The US was attacked by AL-Qaeda. The 9-11 attack on the Pentagon fits the description of 11-2 exactly. Then in Daniel 8 the prophecy there states the Greece that was attacked would attack back and conquer 2 nations/kings in the middle east. So far Daniel is 3 for 3. This is something to watch.






[edit on 17-4-2010 by ntech]

Ntech;
I am truly sorry man but you are confused. I don't know how to put it any other way. Get your history books out and start reading. Daniel 11 is totally speaking of the king of the north which history proves to be Syria and it's on going feud with Egypt, the king of the south.
All has transpired through out history up to verse 21. We are now about to see Syria move out against Egypt again though the Med sea.
These scriptures are not similes of anything other than history. they are not like the little horn or Ram and he-goat prophecies. Their historical fulfillment is proof of this.
What you have explained is simply an attempt to place USA in bible prophecy. We don't have to change meanings to find the US. They are in Rev 13 as the second beast. They are capable of doing exactly what the second beast does and already they have developed the chip and are working hard to implement a plan at mass injection.
They are a Christian nation so they look like a lamb. Obama has stated that he is Christian but has said that no-one should follow the teachings of the bible while quoting it out of context. Therefore he has the voice of a dragon.
The 2 horns are Canada and the US with Mexico as a minor state in the same way as the EU has 10 full member states and 17 lesser states with no veto rites.
Accept Daniel at face value and you will see far more truth than if you try to read to much into it. Prophecy really is not that hard to follow.

reply to post by cwhjra


I understand where you are coming from. But as I pointed out in my previous post. Sometimes bible prophesies repeat. Also the events of the BC era didn't fit the time requirements. They didn't occur in the time of the end. Daniel 12-4 is specific on the time of the end.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Knowledge had not been increased in the BC era.

Now look at verse 9-24.
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The reconciliation for iniquity is unfinished. After looking I found this detail is still running. In the book of Hosea I found a biblical curse was still running. And it was supposed to last 2000 years. As such it means the 70th week of Daniel is unfinished. One week of 7 years is still waiting to happen. That would also mean the events of the BC era never fulfilled the prophesies of Daniel. They are all supposed to happen in the time of the end. But the time of the end would be the unfinished 70th week.

The end of days is still future.

Hosea 6.
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2nd Peter 3-8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Those days of Hosea are thousand year periods of time.





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