Telford grooming gangs; 40 years and over a thousand child victims

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Sickos everywhere tbh.
Chopping off bollocks would deter them I think.

Make it public, make it messy, make it with no anesthesia.

You mean make it unequivocal?

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Grambler

I see it as just if there is a particular recurring issue in any particular human demographic then it must be investigated, and political correctness is to be ignored in the search for justice.
Who ritually cuts the genitals of young girls again? Nobody of white British, no faith/Christian culture that is for sure.
But no, focusing on particular problems in particular demographics is somehow wrong? I say no.

Take the Austin bomber.

If it turns out that he was killing people because his christian church was telling him to, or he belonged to a group of christians that used their religion as justification for bombing people, you are damn well sure I want that investigated.

And in this grooming case, we are talking about thousands of known child victims, and who knows how many unknown ones, and yet we are told to look into the demographics or the admitted motivations by the rapist or victims should not be allowed.

These same people claiming this would be up in arms shouting hate crime if a mosque were burnt down. They would be very interested in the motivation, demographics, and ideology of the person who did that; as would I.

But hundreds of Islamic immigrants raping almost exclsuivly white girls, telling them they are raping them because they are white sluts and asking for it, and to mention that is racist and must be avoided.

Personally i don't care. it's their problem

They want their little girls raped, let them.

I don't live there.

a reply to: Perfectenemy

we cant speak out against them if it offends them then its hate speech!

and we cant call out the government on it because they will say its hate speech !

worked this angle perfectly so we cant call them out for abusing our children!

Of course all the government need to do is say that the details relate to "national security" as with Lord Cyril Smith

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

As I have said multiple times, I think these guys should have been arrested and put away.

And as I have also said multiple times, Islam (or more specifically, the Quran) itself is not the problem. I am compelled to defend it when people get on a thread harping on the evils of Islam and Muslims.

Christianity is not to blame for the Lord’s Resistance Army any more than Islam is to blame for these grooming gangs.

Islam needs a reformation. It needs to relieve itself of death sentences for trivial offenses. It needs to become a religion of peace. It needs to accept other cultures and needs to allow those who wish to leave to do so without killing them. From the quran:
"4:89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal. So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah. But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them."

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Hecate666

By insulting Islam, you are insulting devout Muslims who haven’t hurt anyone their entire lives. That’s like saying conservative ideology is the scourge of the earth and not expecting any hard core conservatives to be insulted by that.

You are of course free to be an Islamaphobe. As long as you follow anti-discrimination laws, you’re good. And I’m free to comment on it.

How am I insulting islam by not agreeing with it? Surely those that use it in order to abuse innocent girls are doing it all by themselves and far more effectively than me. Plus islam is as open to discussion as anything else or have I missed something?
I've been browsing on reddit the ex muslim sub, you should read that and you'll soon know how happy those are that managed to escape.
From the horse's mouth so to speak.
By making it such a big deal to discuss the shortcomings of islam and accepting it as a beautiful thing and nothing else, you help the oppression and make it harder fir those that need help getting out of it.

Well done, the road of oppression is obviously plastered with your good intentions. Shame for the oppressed that can't say anything bad thanks to people like you. You'd probably call them islamophobes haha. Shakes her head.

if there are communities protecting these sick bastards then those communities need to take action and stand up and call out the criminals!

The police need to uphold the law , the government can #in sit n spin
# political correctness the law is the law !
No raced card, no bigotry , crime is crime , and these clowns need to be held accountable

I am so disgusted with our society that we sit and do nothing , we allow our government to hide the taint of corruption
we allow communities to carry on as if nothing has happened.
People are obviously afraid to speak out for whatever reason, but no one wants to help , no one will do anything because
it goes to the top levels and if you speak out against a powerful person , then the next thing you know , your house is raided and your PC has thousands of images of children on it

this corruption should be purged from society , from the top down!
No one in the UK right now should be ok with the government and their blatant cover up of multiple child pedo rings in the UK from westminister to various different institutions , from sport to religion !

we need to bring back some form of capital punishment for crimes that break other peoples humanity !
if you abuse or rape and you destroy someone elses humanity then your humanity needs to be broken!

My friend was in jail for murder and he has told me that "beasts" in jail get preferential treatment over the general population

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Grambler

Is an accredited news organization confirming this??

An ex WPC who is on a crusade about Telford was interviewed on BBC breakfast news on Monday. It has been reported by our main outlet on a national level yes.

It is pretty disturbing looking back 20 years ago when I was working in Telford. A girl next to me on the production line told me she was dating an Asian bloke who gave her drugs. I can't even remember which factory as I worked at loads temping back then but think it was possibly electronics, maybe it was Epson, but she was being given drugs by the boyfriend, just hope she wasn't one of the victims!

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

All grooming gangs are bad. Let’s just not get carried away on this thread and act like grooming gangs are specifically a “Muslim” problem. Not saying you did it, but I already see some posters hinting at that.

Yep, these guys (who most likely aren’t even practicing Muslims, by the way) should have been caught and put away for life. So should the other white grooming gang that did what they did for 18 years.

I think you misread that. They were imprisoned for 18 years, not the victim.

This is a disgrace. And people who warned about this kind of thing were being written off as a bunch of racist bigots. Same with the no-go zones that "didn't exist" in Germany until they did.

Are we ever gonna wake up?

ETA: And no I'm not saying ban certain people. What I'm saying is you don't have to bend over backwards letting people do # like this to prove you're "tolerant".

If anyone is interested, there was a BBC drama created about (I think) the Rochdale case, called Three Girls.

It's hard to watch, but factual, even using the perpetrators own words in the court hearing etc.

a reply to: mekhanics

What point are you trying to make, that others other than these gangs do this, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT, what disgusts is that these gangs have been given free reign to do this by the establishment, you then add to this that they use this in their ideal to radicalise the youth and its totally unacceptable to allow to just go on.

Why the Police instead of playing the race card don't just say we are after sexual attackers I don't know, the PC card is getting very annoying, worse still the left wing fools who run to these peoples aid to support them as say they are being culturally attacked make me want to puke, why because the very people they defend hate their guts just like the rest of the 'kuffar'.

The sad thing is I know the old 'you are racist card' is just waiting to be played, its so sad, so many incredibly naive people who know nothing about Islam yet defend the Radical Side of it. Remember my wife and inlaws are Muslim, not the rapey girl types tho...And there plenty of them that DON'T take part in this filth but sadly as the problem shows, there's a large portion that are willing participants and using the radical form of religion is just an excuse to be perverts and sick bastards.

Mohammed had sex with his young (around 10) wife Aisha. How can anyone not say it's partially islam's fault? Civilized and more cultured society's usually ignore the hardcore backwards parts of their religions. However, immigrants may not because they still have the mindset of living in a country that takes those old religious books very seriously.

It's not racist to call out Islam on their sh!t. Christianity and Judaism have violent and oppressive versus too. However, we should condemn those who want to change society into their old-school religious way of thinking.

a reply to: Hecate666

Agreed. We shouldn't step toe around Islam and pretend that it's a beautiful religion with a liberal Islamic mindset. It's nonsense. It's like saying the Old Testament was beautiful if you just skip the violence and the part about condoning slavery.

We cannot evolve as a society if we keep our old ugly ways and dress them up as something else. Mohammed was a pedophile. There's no way around that, to my knowledge.

a reply to: blueman12
First and foremost..disgusting and do whatever the law allows to the full extent.

BUT

I really don't get you right wingers. You blame an entire religion when it is a Muslims that do horrible things yet when it is a catholic or christian, you don't.

All those Catholics who raped and abused children, yet you guys never blamed the religion. Christian men marrying young girls all over the country, yet no outrage from your side nor do you blame an entire religion.

America’s Child-Marriage Problem

Why can 12-year-olds still get married in the United States?

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases

If you're going to blame an entire religion for these cases, tell your side to blame an entire religion for all instead of being hypocrites.

Same goes for minorities, if your gonna blame an entire race for the bad apples..ie..blacks, Hispanics...do so for the whites who do horrible things. Such as this bomber, instead of your side calling him a disturbed, lone wolf...call out the entire race ( I am not saying all whites are bad just be consistent in your blame game). An example, black male does something horrible, you guys blame BLM, the people...etc Immigrants, one does something horrible, you blame them all. Stop being god damn hypocrites.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

As I have said multiple times, I think these guys should have been arrested and put away.

And as I have also said multiple times, Islam (or more specifically, the Quran) itself is not the problem. I am compelled to defend it when people get on a thread harping on the evils of Islam and Muslims.

Christianity is not to blame for the Lord’s Resistance Army any more than Islam is to blame for these grooming gangs.

But their interpretation of Islam is to blame.

And by deflecting that we shouldnt focus on that, and by the media downplaying or refusing to cover it out of fear of being laebled racist of fueling racial tensions, and the fact the police knew about these accusations for decades but allowed it to continue for the same reasons, and suspended whistle blowers, and treated victims like prostitutes, is why it is even more important to calll out this motivation.

Look at it this way; this is a hate crime, with the victims targeted for their color or ethnicity.

In no other situation like that would you or others harp on the fact we shouldnt focus on the demographics of the people commiting the hate crime, especially if these crimes were ongoing.

Imagine how the catholic sex scandal would still probably be occuring to this day, if the media didnt want to report on it because they felt catholics were the victims of opprseesion, and the cops didnt want to look into because they feared being called bigots against catholics.

Would you come on a thread saying we need to speak out on this and say "whoa, lets not focus on catholoics, all religions and races can be bad. So we shuldnt focus on the demographics of the rapists" I would hope not.

Have you ever heard about Turkish grooming gangs? Albanian or Azerbaijani grooming gangs? How come these grooming gangs always are of Pakistani descent? Have you ever considered that it's rather cultural thing than religious? Funny fact. Pakistan and India are neighbours. Women get treated like crap in India and Pakistan. Pakistan is a Muslim country and India is not. #1 rape capital of the world is India #2 is South Africa. 1 in every 6 woman in America have been victim of sexual violence.
Gtfo
Stop using victims of sexual violence to further your pathetic agenda. It's disgusting

a reply to: Grambler

How many children need to be raped so that virtue signalers can feel good?

Let me get this straight: so, this particular case of children being raped all boils down to being virtue signaller's fault, huh...? And not because of the incompetent law enforcement, judicial system and most importantly the perpetrators..?

And despite t being known, very little was done to stop it by authorities.

The problem seems to be much deeper as you suggested. I agree.

This disgust me to my very core. How the citizens of Telford that have had their children abused are able to restrain themselves from taking matters in their own hands is beyond me.

As someone who has dedicated my time and resources to this particular issue: I DEEPLY feel you. Hang them all! And when I state "hang them all" I mean ALL (asian, black, white, Muslim, Christian, Jew, and so on) who harm children in the worst way. After all, to demonstrate justifiable disgust towards one demographic and ignore the other demographics who perpetuate this horrid crime is a form of virtual signalling as well...

a reply to: donnydeevil

The irony is, you just generalized right wingers, just as you have ranted that right wingers have generalized other groups.

You just demonstrated hypocrisy in you own post.

Also, for the example you listed, the entirety of Christianity is not blamed because it is not an epidemic as it in Islam. For every 1 example you list I can list 100 coming out of Islam. Even if you combined completely different non Islamic religions, such as Satanism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc... it would still be a drop in the bucket to the number terrorist attacks, rapes, and other atrocities coming out of Islam at the current moment, which only seems to be increasing. This is my opinion anyway, if you can prove me wrong please do so.

originally posted by: kyosuke

The irony is, you just generalized right wingers, just as you have ranted that right wingers have generalized other groups.

You just demonstrated hypocrisy in you own post.

Yes I did generalize right wingers but I never said all, I was talking about the ones specific to ATS and who post constantly. It was my mistake not to make that clear.

Also, for the example you listed, the entirety of Christianity is not blamed because it is not an epidemic as it in Islam. For every 1 example you list I can list 100 coming out of Islam. Even if you combined completely different non Islamic religions, such as Satanism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc... it would still be a drop in the bucket to the number terrorist attacks, rapes, and other atrocities coming out of Islam at the current moment, which only seems to be increasing. This is my opinion anyway, if you can prove me wrong please do so.

Now you are trying to minimize the abuse by other religions yet it should not matter which one is worse because the end result is that it still happens in other religions. You are doing just as I said ATS right wingers do by not blaming an entire religion because it of the few bad apples. Islam has 1.3 billion followers and I am pretty sure most of those people are not pedophiles.

Catholics have 1.2 billion followers and 40% live in Latin America, yet you ATS conservatives never blame this entire religion for the "evil" illegal immigrants who commit crimes from that continent or the abuse that was prevalent by priests in regards to pedophilia. You want to know why because you are intelligent enough to know that it is not the religion to blame but the individuals, so why can you not use that same intelligence when speaking about abuse by Muslim and realize it might not be the religion but the individuals.

I have met people who practice religion from Christianity, Catholics and Islam and most are decent good people but I have also had encounters with the idiots from those religions and they were few. I personally do not follow any religion because I feel religion was created to control people but I can understand why some believe or look to religion for help.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I’ve lived in TELFORD for nearly 30yrs now....I currently work in Further Education, local college.

I can tell you this has been a growing concern for the local authorities for at least the 10yrs of my current service.

We are annually trained/updated on
Equality & Diversity
Child Abuse
Exploitation
Female Genitalia Mutilation (FMG)

This all comes directly from the Government....and all FE staff are required to pass yearly tests on these subjects.

I have heard from locals that this has been going for a long time, I was told 20yrs ago by friends, that gangs were grooming young girls. Not just Asian but mixed gangs...back then I had never heard of this before.

a reply to: panicman66

Sounds like you guys are being trained well to spot the trouble which is a good thing, but if the authorities then turn a blind eye to any accusations then what good can it do? The scale of the grooming issue is incredible and seems to be going on all over the UK but Telford seems to be particularly affected. A shame really as it's quite a buzzing place being a new town and the people are great