why god?why?

Originally posted by LuDaCrIs


So your trying to tell me theres an alien on a cross somewhere else in the universe??......Thats kinda funny to picture.

why would they have to have crosses? I never said anything about Jesus or crosses....

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
To buy into this story is to accept that the fallen angels as led by Satan, has the ability to usurp this freewill and is more potent than God himself in guiding this same freewill.

satan can influence our thoughts toward sin, but ultimately we have the choice as to whether or not to act upon them. Adam and Eve could have said no but instead thought the temptation through and acted upon it.

Originally posted by dbrandt


satan can influence our thoughts toward sin, but ultimately we have the choice as to whether or not to act upon them. Adam and Eve could have said no but instead thought the temptation through and acted upon it.

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Again, this is only your belief and your opinion.

Originally posted by dbrandt


satan can influence our thoughts toward sin, but ultimately we have the choice as to whether or not to act upon them. Adam and Eve could have said no but instead thought the temptation through and acted upon it.

Read a book called "The Origin of Satan" by Elaine Pagels. Enough said.

[edit on 17-2-2005 by Pandoras Box]

Originally posted by Pandoras Box
Read a book called "The Origin of Satan" by Elaine Pagels. Enough said.

[edit on 17-2-2005 by Pandoras Box]

I've already read a different book on the origin of satan. And so I don't have to make another one line post the Bible is my belief and beliefs are what you hold as truths. So what I do post I believe as being true.

Originally posted by guy in the shadows

ive been wondering if you know all that exorsism and stuff you know that type of crap and witch sightings and ghost sitings. i dont understand why they were created in the first place ,second why did god create aliens?
third why the hell did god create demons and bad spirits?if he wanted if he wanted us to be safe why? if god want everyone to believe in him why didnt he just force us to ?i believe god created everything but some things dont make a crap of sense. think about it.

ARRRR Witches off the starboard bow captain. Notify the bos'n and prepare the cannons to fire and will someone get a claw hammer and remove me from the mast.

[edit on 17/2/2005 by JamesBlonde]

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Pandoras Box
Read a book called "The Origin of Satan" by Elaine Pagels. Enough said.

[edit on 17-2-2005 by Pandoras Box]

I've already read a different book on the origin of satan. And so I don't have to make another one line post the Bible is my belief and beliefs are what you hold as truths. So what I do post I believe as being true.

I am cool with that. But to have a round-and-about experience you should check it out.

If you can't see god in everything than you can't see god in anything.

Instead of moaning, "Why god why???" i'd reccommend you spend a little time saying, "Thank you for my life."

To say this life is terrible or a pain or a burden is to spit in the face of the one that granted it to you, be it your parents or your god.

If you cannot appreciate the magnificence of being alive in a world as cool as this one than I honestly feel sorry for you.

If it be my creators will that I burn in a lake of fire for eternity than i shall gladly do so, for no other reason than it be gods will. As it stands, i'm in a world where the comapny is decent, the food is excellant and the sex is fantastic.

Where the heck do you come off saying, "Why god why??"

This has nothing to do with god, this is about you. Start asking yourself why YOU feel this way and only then will you find the answers you seek.

Love and light,

Wupy

Originally posted by mrwupy
If you can't see god in everything than you can't see god in anything.

Instead of moaning, "Why god why???" i'd reccommend you spend a little time saying, "Thank you for my life."

To say this life is terrible or a pain or a burden is to spit in the face of the one that granted it to you, be it your parents or your god.

If you cannot appreciate the magnificence of being alive in a world as cool as this one than I honestly feel sorry for you.

If it be my creators will that I burn in a lake of fire for eternity than i shall gladly do so, for no other reason than it be gods will. As it stands, i'm in a world where the comapny is decent, the food is excellant and the sex is fantastic.

Where the heck do you come off saying, "Why god why??"

This has nothing to do with god, this is about you. Start asking yourself why YOU feel this way and only then will you find the answers you seek.

Love and light,

Wupy

People should take life with a grain of salt. But everyone has their own unique experiences, in that some will be happy, some will be sad. Also how you look at it determines it as well. No one said life would be easy, so take this experience and leave it at that. Questioning God's plan is never wrong. Questioning is the first step to understanding. Stop looking outside and look within.

Your life is a reflection of your perspective on it. If you go around seeing things as being terrible than they inherently will be.

Choose to be happy.

Love and light,

Wupy

Originally posted by ShadowXIXWhen did I blame any "woes" or anything for that matter on fallen angels?

Most scholars agree that one third of the angels fell into sin and became demons.

If none of the angels had free will then there wouldnt have been a rebellion. So God wasnt forcing his will on the angels even though we should have the power to do that if he wanted. They didnt usurp anything just choose not to follow God.

By attrition. The concept of free will is man made. To prove that it is so one only has to look at how many times God caused X persons to harden their hearts. The commandments are orders, not guidelines, but orders, every last one of them; Thou shalt or shall not! There is no verse in the NT that you can point to that speaks to freewill.

And it was not one-third. It was two hundred, where we are told in Enoch; "And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones," where two hundred does not equate to one-third of that number. It is obvious that Revelation has plagiarized the book of Enoch in many other other verses as well, and since they do not agree in all descriptions it is safe to say that at least one vision is malarkey.

Therefore, to cast the angels in the light of being fallen as per the common assumption from Genesis chapter 6, is to blame the woes of man on these fallen angels at the same time negating this so-called freewill humans are supposed to have. How boldfaced and accusatory is that to remove ourselves from blame? Further, there is nothing in the OT that claims these angels became demons.

Furthermore, to blame the angels for a rebellion is to unconsciously accept the Books of Enoch, for nowhere in Genesis are angels credited with man’s downfall.

Finally, the rebellion would be an ipso facto acknowledgement of the last book of the scriptures which took 200 years or so to accept. Where the Genesis reference can only be seen as supportive unless one understands that chapters 1 through 9 of same are nothing more than a rewriting of Egyptian mythology, and in this particular case, pertaining to the Legend of the Destruction of Mankind as found in the tomb of Seti I.

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
The concept of free will is man made. To prove that it is so one only has to look at how many times God caused X persons to harden their hearts. The commandments are orders, not guidelines, but orders, every last one of them; Thou shalt or shall not! There is no verse in the NT that you can point to that speaks to freewill.

I'll suggest that pharoah for ex. hardened his own heart and God allowed it. The commandments are there to let us know right and wrong . They are also there to reveal there is such a thing as sin.

Originally posted by dbrandtI'll suggest that pharoah for ex. hardened his own heart and God allowed it. The commandments are there to let us know right and wrong . They are also there to reveal there is such a thing as sin.

Would you mind providing the scripture in support of your suggestion? I look forward to same where you show your own interpretation of the words after you quote the text. Thank you.

I don't want to sidetrack you, so I will save the response to the commandments.

Guys in the shadows...you just need to take some Zoloft and you'll be fine.
Why is it that anything good that comes out of a human is God's will and caring, while anything bad that comes out of a human is Satan's work?
Good and Evil are completely subjectives concepts!
When I think of the Christian god, He seems to be this Sadistic chess player who creates his pawns so he can sacrifice them. And the pawns are thinking how worthy they have to be to please God. Please!

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween

Would you mind providing the scripture in support of your suggestion? I look forward to same where you show your own interpretation of the words after you quote the text. Thank you.

I don't want to sidetrack you, so I will save the response to the commandments.

My interpretation comes from the entire Bible and reading it and growing my relationship with God. God desires all to be saved. After each plague pharoah had the opportunity to repent and let the Hebrews go and turn to God himself. He refused and even when he did let them go he changed his mind. Pharoah was warned before the first plague that if he didn't let the Hebrews go that Egypts first born would die(the final plague). After the first 5or 6 plagues and certainly after the first 9 he should have known better. God is omniscient and knows how all people will react in all situations and weaves the decisions of man into His plans. He knows who will be saved and who will not, but each man or woman must decide for themself.

I went to a website after I did my post and will edit in their view.
We have all heard Biblical exhortations describing how God "hardened" the heart of Pharaoh as the tension increased which ultimately led to the Exodus. We imagine that Pharaoh became more stubborn than usual in resisting God’s will. We will investigate this phenomena by considering the original Hebrew expression and discover a much more profound sense of what happened than just increased stubbornness.

What Really Happened to Pharaoh?

The Biblical account states: (Exodus 14.4a). This is the expression translated in English Bibles as God hardening Pharaoh’s heart. The word is (Hazak: ). This word doesn't mean harden, which implies increased stubbornness. means bold, strong, strengthen. So we discover that God moved in Pharaoh's heart in such a way that he became exceeding bold; we might say foolishly bold and aggressive. Because of this, Pharaoh challenged even the hand of God, leading to his own destruction.
There are other accounts of this same phenomena recorded in the Bible. During the conquest of the land of Israel under the leadership of Joshua ben Nun, God "hardened" the hearts of the Canaanites so that they would be destroyed (Joshua 11:20). Again, the term used is and, again, it means that the Canaanites became foolishly aggressive in opposing Israel. Not one city made peace with the Israelites of that day.



[edit on 18-2-2005 by dbrandt]

Originally posted by guy in the shadows

ive been wondering if you know all that exorsism and stuff you know that type of crap and witch sightings and ghost sitings. i dont understand why they were created in the first place ,second why did god create aliens?
third why the hell did god create demons and bad spirits?if he wanted if he wanted us to be safe why? if god want everyone to believe in him why didnt he just force us to ?i believe god created everything but some things dont make a crap of sense. think about it.

Well it might help if you understood the scenario a bit better..
The Epinoia made Satan out of an impure thought.
Satan then being bossed around but having no one to boss around (type of thing) decided he wanted to create what are known as The Authorities, which call Satan, God because he tricked them into thinking so, then Satan wanted to have the power of God, so he told the authorities to make a body, he gave each 365 authorities different jobs like bones, tendons etc. but after they created it (out of clay) it just lay there limp and lifeless.. but the Epinoia felt compassion for us and got the authorities to trick Satan into breathing the life into the being... Although this didn't work but Satan recognized the Epinoia in the creation and thought he could take her (the Epinoia) out of him, so Satan made his first creation fall asleep and out of the rib he fashioned another being but female, trying to steal the Epinoia's powers, yet once again he had failed and Satan was angry because he was tricked so he said there is no God but him, because he is a jealous God... Then because we disobeyed him and took the fruit from Jesus at the tree of knowledge we saw our nakedness, felt shame, and we seen our wrong doing so pleased the Epinoia because we have done what Satan has not done... It might do you some good to change all references of God into Satan when reading all of the disaster and death. God needs nothing, he didn't create us... he fixes all the stuff Satan does, because Satan dispises us, because God shows us favor.
Walk In Peace

Originally posted by dbrandtI don't want to sidetrack you, so I will save the response to the commandments.

I look forward to same where you show your own interpretation of the words after you quote the text. Thank you.

I don't want to sidetrack you, so I will save the response to the commandments.

No, please do try and sidetrack me. The scripture in support of your claim is?

My interpretation comes from the entire Bible and reading it and growing my relationship with God.

Fine, then quote all of your texts which you interpret, I would be pleased to review them all.

God desires all to be saved.

Incorrect! God will be saving all! He will be making no distinctions among race, creed, colour or religion. he made every single one, and despite the attempt by some men to classify this, every single one of us will be a part of him, whether now or in future. For it makes no sense at all for him to be pissed off and warring with his creation. The lesson is this; you will learn it now or learn it later as he sends you back to grow, but you will by his patience and not by force-feeding as you would prefer it to be, for he gave you a mind unto your own, and it is this mind individually he will nourish, including the minds of the leeches you allow to attach to you. Only when you do learn will you take your place as a part of him, no sooner dbrandt. Not by your Bible, nor by your church nor your wayward teachings of men.

After each plague pharoah had the opportunity to repent and let the Hebrews go and turn to God himself. He refused and even when he did let them go he changed his mind.

Wrong! pharoah's heart was hardened by God per the text. And if you believe in that God, pharoah's freewill was taken from him. So I await your text to prove otherwise.

God is omniscient and knows how all people will react in all situations and weaves the decisions of man into His plans. He knows who will be saved and who will not, but each man or woman must decide for themself.

My God is, I cannot say the same for yours, for yours decided that he will wait X years to punish X billions so that he will make X number share his heaven as his servants, singing holy, holy, holy and bowing to his power all day and night long, while casting the rest into an eternal abyss and inflicting the most disgusting punishment a human mind can think of. Yours sounds more like an egoist and manifestation of the devils of Hades to me, than my God.

I went to a website after I did my post and will edit in their view.
We have all heard Biblical exhortations describing how God "hardened" the heart of Pharaoh as the tension increased which ultimately led to the Exodus. We imagine that Pharaoh became more stubborn than usual in resisting God’s will. We will investigate this phenomena by considering the original Hebrew expression and discover a much more profound sense of what happened than just increased stubbornness.

They imagine do they? kindly provide the text in The Bible that said pharoah imagined his hardened heart.

What Really Happened to Pharaoh?

The same thing that happened to all opponents of the Jews; they were tarnished by the scribes of the pen.

The text dbrandt! Provide them and counter my position based on those texts and not what others have to think or say on your behalf.

Do not miss any, for your continued attempt at deception will embarrass you.

Why are you crying for a bunch of dead people...
Don't forget to ask the obvious question, what's this mean for us?
that is under your theory of God... that's all any position is on God unless you seen it come from his/her mouth, the problem we have is deciding which one sounds true enough...

lets try and keep this less heated.
It seems our new member, who is 11, is making a name for himself here