Why does the left support World Government?

a reply to: amfirst1

You must not understand, what "Left" are you talking about? the "Left" being Liberal/Democrat/Centrist, the "Leftists" being Socialist, Communists etc, or anarchists who are anti-left and right etc ?

originally posted by: the owlbear
What is going to happen when our entire planet is faced with a dire threat from some external force/entity?

Should we have nations bickering about who has the best god, who is the richest, who is the poorest, who is "right" or "chosen by god"?

The time will come when this happens. It's not if, it's when.
The sooner we can leave behind all the political bs and be one people on one planet, the better.

The Galactic Federation would take care of that if we are allowed to join.

We are only a backwater planet and would be at the mercy of every space pirate out there!

I seen them movies.

OMG! The bankers want to take over the Galaxy!!

It's not pretty what happens.

To Serve Man.

ETA; I'll run with this for a minute. So if Galactic domination is their goal, how do they think they will subjugate civilizations that are 100,000 years ahead of us or more?

It's about power and control, not freedom, over you NOW!

Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven?

originally posted by: visitedbythem
I wouldn't mind a one world government, as long as it is chartered with our Constitution, and bill of rights for all people on the planet.
Howz that grab you


Oh.... No chips either

Well if you put it that way, I am in with you.

Problem is, and some of us realize you know this already, the real deal is to stamp out freedom to do or say what you want to do or say. Freedom means people don't have to do what the nanny types demand.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: amfirst1

You sure it's just the "left" that wants a world government?

The "right" has also had no problem using the UN, NATO, and other global organizations like the World Bank, IMF, and WTO to unify the world towards their goals (and no problem stationing our troops in bases all over the world to make sure those other governments go along with it).

Ask the people in any country we've invaded, "regime changed", or had the CIA launch a coup in if either "side" in the US cares about the sovereignty of other nation states once they get power.

Yep Bushes family was pro Hitler a Leftist org. Bush is a leftist and so was his son. They pretend to be conservative/freedom lovers for TV and career moves only.

The left doesn't support a one world government.

For Heaven's sake people, you shouldn't use terms like 'the left' when you have absolutely no idea what the politics of the left are.

ATS is awful for this. Where do you all get your information on what the left is? Because your sources are awful.

Reminds me of how when Alcohol was banned the Mob rose to defend and fight against that tyranny. Sweeping legislation is sorta funny like making one person parent over all life which is exactly what the concept of a "god" is.

Such a thing is really foolish and to say you must be this that or the other just like that ONE as an example has led to all sorts of genocide, control and theft of peoples lives.

Having a passion for what one does in life leads to mastery of it... forcing all this other stuff uses the excuse of being well rounded. Not really, I know quite a few people that have their own unique passions and have carried them with authenticity for decades. Many hop with the times roll with every fad that pops up... the sorry state of affairs is when the economy depends on the herd and hive for consumption and using trends thinking that is what stabilizes it.

The staples the things everyone needs to live are where security actually sits economically not in the investing... the investing is the same as throwing money in the air and expecting it to multiply and then running and grabbing as much of it as one can before it hits the ground and hoping to come out ahead... why does it multiply because other fools threw it up in the air too.

Anyways self investment means self improvement; making oneself a vault of skill and value... others are always happy to use you and dispose of you just based on their own desires want or wish to control. Having self respect does not let anyone devalue you your worth. Of course no sense fighting with the ignorant it is a waste of time; time better spent in study and learning and expansion.

How many hours spent staring at a TV? All the while complaining to friends families some stupid stranger on a couch about how much your life and or career sucks... well shift those hours to something useful instead of useless. Something you love and enjoy... that is how to really pursue happiness. It isnt out there it starts inside then you use what is outside to grow it nourish it.

Bye

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: amfirst1

Bigger is better. If you think gov't is good, then big gov't is better and one world gov't is the best.

Why do republicans and most conservatives support big military and strong police? I hope people realize that's "big government" too. Only the libertarians are consistent on this topic.

We support peace through superior firepower and displaying the will to use it. Just like people who stockpile weapons, we want to prepare for something we hope never happens.

originally posted by: olaru12
...If the left is so socialist; why do so many of us own businesses and work so hard in the capitalistic system to provide for our families and buy stuff...

Because the other defining factor of the left is hypocrisy.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: amfirst1

Bigger is better. If you think gov't is good, then big gov't is better and one world gov't is the best.

Why do republicans and most conservatives support big military and strong police? I hope people realize that's "big government" too. Only the libertarians are consistent on this topic.

Because history has shown through the past 5000 years that a country / empire will cease to exist or become conquered by their neighbors if they don't have a technological superiority of their military.

Roman empire could dominate the Mediterranean so long as their trimerenes were the heaviest and strongest in order to defend merchant ships. Once they lost that advantage, they got pushed back. Same with World War I and II.
Chinese built the Great Walls which helped contain raiders.

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: amfirst1

Bigger is better. If you think gov't is good, then big gov't is better and one world gov't is the best.

Why do republicans and most conservatives support big military and strong police? I hope people realize that's "big government" too. Only the libertarians are consistent on this topic.

Because history has shown through the past 5000 years that a country / empire will cease to exist or become conquered by their neighbors if they don't have a technological superiority of their military.

Roman empire could dominate the Mediterranean so long as their trimerenes were the heaviest and strongest in order to defend merchant ships. Once they lost that advantage, they got pushed back. Same with World War I and II.
Chinese built the Great Walls which helped contain raiders.

Yep Space Pirates and they won't be Mexicans.

A world govt that wants open planets.

What could go wrong?

originally posted by: Painterz
The left doesn't support a one world government.

For Heaven's sake people, you shouldn't use terms like 'the left' when you have absolutely no idea what the politics of the left are.

ATS is awful for this. Where do you all get your information on what the left is? Because your sources are awful.

It depends on which faction. Dems aren't leftists.. Actual real leftists i.e. socialists or communists include factions who do want a global communist revolution and gov.

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: amfirst1

Bigger is better. If you think gov't is good, then big gov't is better and one world gov't is the best.

Why do republicans and most conservatives support big military and strong police? I hope people realize that's "big government" too. Only the libertarians are consistent on this topic.

Because history has shown through the past 5000 years that a country / empire will cease to exist or become conquered by their neighbors if they don't have a technological superiority of their military.

Roman empire could dominate the Mediterranean so long as their trimerenes were the heaviest and strongest in order to defend merchant ships. Once they lost that advantage, they got pushed back. Same with World War I and II.
Chinese built the Great Walls which helped contain raiders.

So then you get into a primary contradiction of conservatves. the question is if big gov is necessary for a certain issue due to overwhelming evidence, history, or data.

Well, that's also exactly why liberals and scientists argue for environmental regulations, as an example. So really it's what does the evidence say. Now, if this is true than the conservative "Muh small government" not only is a fallacy but intellectually dishonest.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Agreed. I think the Republicans support OWG as much as the Neo-Libs. They both suck in my book. Personally I believe gov't only works when it is accountable. Local gov't is much more effective than federal, IMO.

just to clarify, neo liberalism doesn't mean what you think it does. It means economic liberalism, which is not only basically a free market, it's what the conservatives support, and it's what leftists do not. Economic liberalism is an old term that does NOT mean modern political liberalism. Hence, anybody who is a "neo liberal" is a right winger on economic issues. They are pro deregulation and against gov interference in business.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Now, if this is true than the conservative "Muh small government" not only is a fallacy but intellectually dishonest.

Factor in just the hegemonic global empire machine alone and its about the most offensive LIE imaginable.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: amfirst1

Bigger is better. If you think gov't is good, then big gov't is better and one world gov't is the best.

Why do republicans and most conservatives support big military and strong police? I hope people realize that's "big government" too. Only the libertarians are consistent on this topic.

We support peace through superior firepower and displaying the will to use it. Just like people who stockpile weapons, we want to prepare for something we hope never happens.

So you admit you are for strong or big government entities when you believe the evidence supports the necessity? Exactly my point. Republicans don't like small government, they just want their version of it.

That's what I'm saying. They claim they are against big, intrusive, tyrannical government.
They claim they are for national sovereignty, freedom, etc.

Yet, they enthusiastically applaud and are apologists for the US military invading, bombing, and regime changing weaker countries across the world. Not only that, often we've overthrown democracies and installed dictatorships. It's absurd. Granted, many Dems are apologists too. And, many Americans are really poorly educated on foreign policy and history.

'Murica

originally posted by: the owlbear
What is going to happen when our entire planet is faced with a dire threat from some external force/entity?

Should we have nations bickering about who has the best god, who is the richest, who is the poorest, who is "right" or "chosen by god"?

The time will come when this happens. It's not if, it's when.
The sooner we can leave behind all the political bs and be one people on one planet, the better.

We already have two major threats that we can't solve on our own: widespread environmental destruction and the next great specie extinction, and threat of a nuclear Third World War.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: amfirst1

I don't understand why the left wants this system. How would the leftist poor and middle class benefit from a system like this? Their voices will be completely eliminated.

The left doesn't care if the poor and the middle class benefit,
they only pretend to care as a means of getting votes.

I think you mean democrats, who by the way most of them aren't leftists...

originally posted by: ClovenSky
It is very interesting and curious. They usually run in the same packs.

They prefer feelings over logic. They prefer centralized control over individual freedom. They do not appreciate neither our constitution nor bill of rights. They think nationalism and states rights are things of the past that have no meaning anymore. They think that by changing how a person thinks and feels, they can change humanity. They seem to believe in the never ending lies of our central government, mainstream academia and MSM. They always tend to place full responsibility on a person speaking words instead of the person hearing them. They rail against this reality and the simple rules of this existence.

There maybe different flavors of these people, but the underlying theme is always the same. I wish I understood it better. They seem to shy away from personal responsibility and accountability, always blaming others for their own feelings. They seem to hide from the truth, instead preferring comforting lies.

This goes far beyond politics and worldly events. It is the battle between tyranny versus freedom. It does't appear to be tied to intelligence or the ability to recite what others want to hear, but seems to be the difference in being confident in yourself compared to always seeking validation from others. It is almost like they have no internal self worth and are always trying to conform.

I would almost say it is a property of the soul and not upbringing.

This is one of the great questions of this existence.

Thanks for the stereotypes. Also, just to let you know lots of conservatves are brainwashed too. In fact, until very recently it was the left and counterculture such as hippies criticizing the media and things like fbi and CIA, while conservatives viciously attacked them and supported the status quo.

During the bush years republicans were like brainwashed sheep.

So, slow your roll brah

That's because you aren't a leftist, and the democrats as a party aren't either.... This is why there is a difference between liberals and actual serious leftists. Actual leftists would range from democratic socialists to communists. a reply to: olaru12