We are far from ready for contact

a reply to: Woodcarver

Let's be real here for a couple of seconds man.

Transdimensionnal beings have a very high probability of being a thing. Just because it goes against your beliefs doesn't mean it is a outlandish claim to make. We are at the mere beginning of our evolution and the development of science is only taking its takeoff and already, we are talking about genome modification, cloning and the possibility of physical immortality.
Now think about a civilization which would have survived for thousands, if not millions, of years more than we have. It's easy to picture how maybe they could have overcome the basic physical limitations we humans are currently facing.

As for OP, I believe we are getting ready for contact. At least, we are being put slowly into this mindset by our so beloved elite leaders. And honestly, if we were to acknowledge an alien presence in the universe in the years to come, I think most people would not be surprised or moved at all.

a reply to: Elementalist

There are many of us humans who have established such a conscious level connection with non-terrestrial intelligence.

Copy that, but it is forbidden to discuss the substances and rituals used to explore the inter-dimensional realms where the "others" dwell. Perhaps with good reason...it's not a voyage for the foolish or intellectually constipated conformist.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Elementalist

There are many of us humans who have established such a conscious level connection with non-terrestrial intelligence.

Copy that, but it is forbidden to discuss the substances and rituals used to explore the inter-dimensional realms where the "others" dwell. Perhaps with good reason...it's not a voyage for the foolish or intellectually constipated conformist.

It's crazy really, to think so many people don't have a clue that there already exist many ways in order to experience the divine on this realm.

originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: WarPig1939
a reply to: Woodcarver

Nothing is beyond nature? That is a pretty ignorant statement. There are things that exist beyond this realm that you and I couldnt possibly imagine. I dont have verifiable proof but sound logic deduction to know there is and has been.

Why do you believe it if there’s no evidence to support it? That seems like a failure of logic to me.

Feel free to walk me through your process of logical deduction though. But I don’t think you even know what that means.

But at this point it seems like you had some thoughts, therefore they are true.

Although while there is lack of proof to suggest there are trans-dimensional beings that can cross different planes of existence. Physicists have made multiple theories on the concepts of the multi-verse theory, multiple dimensions that exist outside of our own, even string theory, time-travel, worm holes, black holes, white holes, quantum singularities.

So just because no one has seen trans-dimensional beings or extra-terrestrials on this plane of existence does not warrant the assumption that these possibilities are incalculable.

However you are free to choose your own thoughts on how you cannot accept any other reality than your own. Smell, Taste, Touch, Sight, Hearing...

We humans can only see a fraction of the EM spectrum. So I guess everything outside of the EM field of human vision doesn't exist to you? Right?

If you would like to speak about multi-verse theories, that is one thing, but they are nothing more than hypothesis, and every physicist who studies the subject understands this. Many versions of these hypothesis exist. Probably many more than you were even aware of. None of them are supported by any evidence, And nobody pretends that they are.

It does not mean they do or do not exist. That was the point I was trying to make. I choose to think they exist. You choose not to. Think of a concept of flight. Before 1903, flight was a theory and no one thought it was possible, only a group of innovators.

One day the same could be said about other theories.

These concepts that we discuss are Earth bound concepts. It will change once we make discoveries off world.

LOL. Birds have been around for more than 65 million years. Humans have always known that flight was a possibility because we’ve been watching things flying around for our entire existence. The Hindu Vedas, which are more than 5000 years old, clearly speak about humans flying around. I find that far more interesting than listening to kids talk about how anything is possible because “ quantum things “. Flight itself is quite feasible. Interdimensional mind melding, like what is described in the OP, is nothing more than fantasy until there is reason to believe otherwise.

I know you choose to believe these things, but you should always question why you believe things, and if you believe them for good reasons. If you believe them because you enjoy the thought, then you probably have trouble defining what reality is when Compared to passing fancies in your mind.

Discussing possibilities is one thing, but acting as though you’re passing thoughts are equal in validity to what can be observed or proved to exist, is an exercise in narcissism.

The body is only made up of 10% human cells. The rest is a bustling community of microorganisms. Recent research has been able to link these bugs to both psychology and biology, bridging a major gap in connecting the two in the process.

I couldn't find that article but here is one talking about a similar study.
www.bbc.com...

So the question is, if they wanted to make contact would they even bother with the 10% human side of us. Or go straight to the stuff that makes us up sitting in our stomachs. Kinda gives a whole new light to the old anal probe claims.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: WarPig1939
a reply to: Woodcarver

Nothing is beyond nature? That is a pretty ignorant statement. There are things that exist beyond this realm that you and I couldnt possibly imagine. I dont have verifiable proof but sound logic deduction to know there is and has been.

Why do you believe it if there’s no evidence to support it? That seems like a failure of logic to me.

Feel free to walk me through your process of logical deduction though. But I don’t think you even know what that means.

But at this point it seems like you had some thoughts, therefore they are true.

Although while there is lack of proof to suggest there are trans-dimensional beings that can cross different planes of existence. Physicists have made multiple theories on the concepts of the multi-verse theory, multiple dimensions that exist outside of our own, even string theory, time-travel, worm holes, black holes, white holes, quantum singularities.

So just because no one has seen trans-dimensional beings or extra-terrestrials on this plane of existence does not warrant the assumption that these possibilities are incalculable.

However you are free to choose your own thoughts on how you cannot accept any other reality than your own. Smell, Taste, Touch, Sight, Hearing...

We humans can only see a fraction of the EM spectrum. So I guess everything outside of the EM field of human vision doesn't exist to you? Right?

If you would like to speak about multi-verse theories, that is one thing, but they are nothing more than hypothesis, and every physicist who studies the subject understands this. Many versions of these hypothesis exist. Probably many more than you were even aware of. None of them are supported by any evidence, And nobody pretends that they are.

It does not mean they do or do not exist. That was the point I was trying to make. I choose to think they exist. You choose not to. Think of a concept of flight. Before 1903, flight was a theory and no one thought it was possible, only a group of innovators.

One day the same could be said about other theories.

These concepts that we discuss are Earth bound concepts. It will change once we make discoveries off world.

LOL. Birds have been around for more than 65 million years. Humans have always known that flight was a possibility because we’ve been watching things flying around for our entire existence. The Hindu Vedas, which are more than 5000 years old, clearly speak about humans flying around. I find that far more interesting than listening to kids talk about how anything is possible because “ quantum things “. Flight itself is quite feasible. Interdimensional mind melding, like what is described in the OP, is nothing more than fantasy until there is reason to believe otherwise.

I know you choose to believe these things, but you should always question why you believe things, and if you believe them for good reasons. If you believe them because you enjoy the thought, then you probably have trouble defining what reality is when Compared to passing fancies in your mind.

Discussing possibilities is one thing, but acting as though you’re passing thoughts are equal in validity to what can be observed or proved to exist, is an exercise in narcissism.

The only explaination is we do not posses the technology or knowledge to do some of the things I have described. We have not been introduced or discovered these topics yet. Still possible. Still unknown. Narcissism is a lesser form of thought to which I was not attempting to convey. Simply my opinion.

Our most trusted humans have testified under oath that we have no control over our nuclear weapons when the UFOs decide to manifest themselves.

Just let that sink in for a moment vis-a-vis the observer and what is doing the observing.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Our most trusted humans

The human race as a whole,i think is not ready. But i am sure there are quite a few individuals who are.

originally posted by: Elementalist
Now ask yourself, why would any advanced and collectively-superior species ever contact a species such as the developing humans, on a collective scale? It would he absurd to do so. They destroy and do not replenish the very Earth that gives them life. This is a HUGE no no in the galactic community. Planets are very important for the sustainability of any living creature.

For one, I find it difficult to believe that there would be a single Galactic Federation® that controls the activities of all known developed planets. Even if it encompassed thousands of civilizations, there would always be another thousand that disagreed with them and would invade Earth in a heartbeat if they wanted to. Which they apparently don't.

Because we are inconsequential. It's just hard to imagine how huge the universe is. We live like larval scum on the barely solid surface of a tiny, moist, mostly molten speck of rock whizzing around in the boondocks of one nondescript galaxy among hundreds of thousands. If they even knew we were here, they could care less about what we do to our puny planet. There are billions more.

As for us being ready, that will never happen, because we don't have any idea what we would even be getting ready for. It would be like a cat getting ready for tax season. Beyond our comprehension. The only things we can do if it ever happens is adapt or die. That's always been the rule.

a reply to: Elementalist

I am disappointed with how ill prepaired humanity is for alien contact. It seems to me that we are past the point where we should assume alien life exists and we are more likely to be contacted by them then find them at this point in time.

I read an article a couple months ago about who we are supposed to contact if we estanlish contact with aliens. For example if you are camping and aliens make contact with you and keep communicating with you, who are you suposed to make aware so professional contact can be established. They contacted the fbi, dod, cia, seti, etc and none of them said they have a program for first contact.

If it were me i would create a giant field filled with bright spots that would be easily noticed from space so if aliens showed up they would atleast have a starting point to make contact. As far as i know there is no welcoming committy for visitors.

I watch the night sky every night and always see balls of light flying around and sometimes even hovering and pulsing and nobody knows what they are or even bothers to find out. One night there was about 5 of us outside and i pointed out a very bright orb moving very slowly over us and i was the only one who cared. Everyonecelse kept drinking beer and joking about stupid crap.

I don’t think this species is ready for contact either.

Thats my opinion anyway. There might be a couple thousand people on earth who are ready for contact but i doubt they’ll ever get to be the ones who do it. If contact happens it’ll probably be sone jingo gov employees who put a smile on their face, learn to talk then start asking for info and tech they can use to enhance their military forces and fight their enemies

Operating under the premise there are beings to contact around us:

Personally, I feel its a helluva lot more nuanced and complex than some sort of judgment on our "maturity" or what we eat.

In much the same way contact through "consciousness," so to speak, is more likely to come from some sort of entities that are right about at our "level," and likely involve some kind of deception (self or otherwise).

I think that the type of beings we are talking about are so vastly different that its a bit like the book Flatland. In that, its not really due to the all-too-human notion of superior/inferior, but nigh irreconcilable differences between how our species process and experience nature and the universe.

It would follow that the communication methods are equally, or even more disparate. To the point where the main obstacle is devising a way to meaningfully communicate with a species (us) that is exceedingly war-like and sees superior/inferior paradigms around every corner.

In that, so called mind-to-mind communication would be just as unlikely and impotent as spoken language. Which is an interesting topic on its own, but if one species can know another well enough to communicate through "consciousness," which requires intimate understanding (not just knowledge) of everything from biology to culture.. spoken language is a minor, negligible step.

"Aliens" may be literally more alien than we can imagine. Which is a problem when it comes to Contact, but also implies that any species that can effectively communicate, regardless of method, might not be what they claim if they play on superiority paradigms predicated on "maturity."

In fact, doing so implies a deeper level of understanding than even most humans have of ourselves. So, spoken language should be even easier for them than us (!), whether through biological vocal chords or technological proxies. Claims otherwise should raise numerous red flags instantly.

You will never be completely ready for the first time...

You just have to embrace it

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Elementalist
Now ask yourself, why would any advanced and collectively-superior species ever contact a species such as the developing humans, on a collective scale? It would he absurd to do so. They destroy and do not replenish the very Earth that gives them life. This is a HUGE no no in the galactic community. Planets are very important for the sustainability of any living creature.

For one, I find it difficult to believe that there would be a single Galactic Federation® that controls the activities of all known developed planets. Even if it encompassed thousands of civilizations, there would always be another thousand that disagreed with them and would invade Earth in a heartbeat if they wanted to. Which they apparently don't.

Because we are inconsequential. It's just hard to imagine how huge the universe is. We live like larval scum on the barely solid surface of a tiny, moist, mostly molten speck of rock whizzing around in the boondocks of one nondescript galaxy among hundreds of thousands. If they even knew we were here, they could care less about what we do to our puny planet. There are billions more.

As for us being ready, that will never happen, because we don't have any idea what we would even be getting ready for. It would be like a cat getting ready for tax season. Beyond our comprehension. The only things we can do if it ever happens is adapt or die. That's always been the rule.

I never said anything about a Federation.

I said Community. Your making things up as if there is an established Federation or government in the galaxy.

A community is much different and doesn't need governance. Ecosystem is a good example.

originally posted by: Elementalist
I said Community. Your making things up as if there is an established Federation or government in the galaxy.
A community is much different and doesn't need governance. Ecosystem is a good example.

Well, I think the ecosystem is a bad example, because it is generally not considered to be filled with motivated, self-aware beings like a galactic community of advanced civilizations. And that still doesn't explain why someone or something in the "community" wouldn't openly contact us. Do you think there are rules somewhere? If so, that generally implies a social structure like a government or federation.

I still think that we're just so microscopically insignificant that any civilization with the power to travel between stars is probably not going to be interested in us at all, if they're even aware of us.

originally posted by: St0rD
a reply to: Woodcarver

Let's be real here for a couple of seconds man.

Transdimensionnal beings have a very high probability of being a thing.

I would consider a high probability to be over 90%. I would have to see your mathematical formula that led you to this conclusion, for me to even consider those chances. However, I know you didn’t take any variables into consideration when you blurted out that high probability thing. You just feel like it could be possible and now you’re using strong language to assert your strong feeling. However if you would like to discuss what variables to consider to come to such a positive claim I would be happy to assist you.

Just because it goes against your beliefs doesn't mean it is a outlandish claim to make.

My skepticism has nothing to do with my beliefs, but rather your lack of presented evidence to support your claim of high Probabilities.

We are at the mere beginning of our evolution and the development of science is only taking its takeoff and already, we are talking about genome modification, cloning and the possibility of physical immortality.

All of these examples are biological in nature, and have all been shown to actually be possible. Your assertion about Interdimensional communication has absolutely zero evidence to support it.

Now think about a civilization which would have survived for thousands, if not millions, of years more than we have. It's easy to picture how maybe they could have overcome the basic physical limitations we humans are currently facing.

Yeah, maybe, and when you bring forth something that supports this other than your anecdotal feels, we will look at that evidence and decide whether it is valid.

As for OP, I believe we are getting ready for contact. At least, we are being put slowly into this mindset by our so beloved elite leaders. And honestly, if we were to acknowledge an alien presence in the universe in the years to come, I think most people would not be surprised or moved at all.

It will be Acknowledged when somebody brings forth a Some evidence to support that position.

I don't know about the rest of humanity, but I could use a little "contact"...if ya know what I'm sayin!

Huh!? Am I right!?

OPs like these and the comments that follow are always like watching fat drunk people participate in group masturbation. I'm disgusted and embarrassed for everyone involved, yet I can't look away.

Woodcarver, you don't belong here. You obviously haven't had enough to drink. Please step out of the room and let these poor people finish themselves.

originally posted by: VekTorVik
I don't know about the rest of humanity, but I could use a little "contact"...if ya know what I'm sayin!

Huh!? Am I right!?

I don't know..

I mean.. whatever blows your hair back and no judgment, but getting probed doesn't appeal to me personally.

originally posted by: VekTorVik
OPs like these and the comments that follow are always like watching fat drunk people participate in group masturbation. I'm disgusted and embarrassed for everyone involved, yet I can't look away.

Yeah, it's hard to admit that you might have an interest in something that your friends and family might look down on as silly.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Which do they disapprove of more, your group activities with alcohol or belief in trans-inter-dimensional beings that communicate through thought while running a multi-planetary intergalactic federation?

Oh, you were talking about me? There's a lot I will never admit to!