Theresa May expels 23 Russian diplomats in retaliation for Sergei Skripal poisoning

It seems odd to me that the Russians would use something that would immediately be identified to them in such an attack.

They would have to know it would be tracked right back to them.

The Conspiracy theorist in me would think that the best way to frame someone would be to use things that would automatically point in one direction to a culprit.

A professional hit doesn't leave such traces.

Does anybody else smell a false flag? I mean the Russia narrative has been pushed very hard lately and I don't know if you've noticed but half the movies out recently have the big bad Russians as the enemy again. You can't go five minutes without hearing about some nefarious scheme they are behind. How were things between those countries before this? Perhaps it was a CIA operation to make sure the British would be on our side. The use of a very distinctive weapon (nerve agent) from an enemy country is a classic black op technique.

originally posted by: pavil
It seems odd to me that the Russians would use something that would immediately be identified to them in such an attack.

They would have to know it would be tracked right back to them.

The Conspiracy theorist in me would think that the best way to frame someone would be to use things that would automatically point in one direction to a culprit.

A professional hit doesn't leave such traces.

It is odd, isn't it? Yet stupidity knows no national boundaries. We just don't know for sure.

For me the most telling is the media aspect. They were on this in a nanosecond. That wouldn't have happened without a rubber stamped approval from the U.K. gov't.

Either they're jumping on a major boo, boo by Putin OR the alternative. A U.K. false flag?

a reply to: The GUT

Forgive me if I'm skeptical when I hear globalist warmongers say, "weapons of mass destruction, or gas attack, or nerve agent."

Tried and true war rhetoric. Began in Iraq with WMD, Chemical Ali, Mobile chemical weapons labs, little yellow vials in the UN...

That little yellow vial contained enough 'evidence' to destroy an entire nation.

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a reply to: pavil

A professional hit doesn't leave such traces.

Unless its a false flag attack designed to build false pretexts against perceived enemies.

Then it needs to point straight back to the intended target.

a reply to: wlasp

Does anybody else smell a false flag?

No , I smell a repeat offender offending.

How were things between those countries before this?

Strained , there has been tension between the UK and Russia for a few years now not least because of their aggressive acts in the Balkans and their continued probing of our defences by military aircraft and submarines.

The murder of Alexander Litvinenko was a particular low point in our relations but it seems Tzar Putin cares not for international law and aims to continue his state sponsored terror campaign regardless of the consequences it may bring.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I still lean to the false flag option, even though you make good points. It is those good points that make a false flag effort highly effective....Yes?

I'll give you that it sure makes an environment in which it could be effective.

Either way it's not good for the climate.

a reply to: pavil


They did just that when they poisoned Litvinenko here in the UK with Polonium. they could have made it look like an accident or natural causes but they deliberately chose to set an example. it is what they do. They got away with that because they refused to extradite the main suspect.

They do it to send a message and because they can.

All this "false flag" talk just plays into Russia's hands.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: pavil

A professional hit doesn't leave such traces.

Unless its a false flag attack designed to build false pretexts against perceived enemies.

Then it needs to point straight back to the intended target.

It cannot be discounted knowing all the players potentially involved.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pavil


They did just that when they poisoned Litvinenko here in the UK with Polonium. they could have made it look like an accident or natural causes but they deliberately chose to set an example. it is what they do. They got away with that because they refused to extradite the main suspect.

They do it to send a message and because they can.

All this "false flag" talk just plays into Russia's hands.

I cede that it could play into Russia's hands. Yet to ignore the possibility of a false flag plays into those hands, as well.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pavil


They did just that when they poisoned Litvinenko here in the UK with Polonium. they could have made it look like an accident or natural causes but they deliberately chose to set an example. it is what they do. They got away with that because they refused to extradite the main suspect.

They do it to send a message and because they can.

All this "false flag" talk just plays into Russia's hands.

Perhaps. But in this era of sanctions about Ukraine that have hurt Russia and the accusations of meddling in the US Election, do you think they would be so obvious?
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Ask yourself who stands to gain from this. Russia would have to know they would get caught.

a reply to: pavil


It never bothered them before. Putin thinks he is invincible and can get away with it, again.

Whenever anything bad happens people on here cry "false flag" which acts as a smokescreen for the actual perpetrators.

originally posted by: oldcarpy

Whenever anything bad happens people on here cry "false flag" which acts as a smokescreen for the actual perpetrators.

Or, alternately, false flags act as a smokescreen for the actual perpetrators. That's how wars often, historically, get started. To ignore that historical fact without consideration makes you ripe for the disinfo so prevalent in the world today.

Maybe Russia did do it, but I'm wondering why May isn't sending a sample and as such is putting more lives at risk with such a hasty conclusion.

Also: How does one give a "credible explanation" for something they didn't do. And in 24-hours no less.

originally posted by: wlasp
Does anybody else smell a false flag? I mean the Russia narrative has been pushed very hard lately and I don't know if you've noticed but half the movies out recently have the big bad Russians as the enemy again. You can't go five minutes without hearing about some nefarious scheme they are behind. How were things between those countries before this? Perhaps it was a CIA operation to make sure the British would be on our side. The use of a very distinctive weapon (nerve agent) from an enemy country is a classic black op technique.

Ms May has won the backing of German, French, US and other European leaders as she attempts to push for consequences for Mr Putin, after blaming him for being behind the attack in Salisbury which also left dozens of civilians needing treatment.

From T he Independent.

It really seems like they're closing the gates on Putin's face.

a reply to: The GUT


The credible explanation is required as to how a Russian manufactured nerve agent came to be used on our streets.

May is briefing the UN Security Council etc.

The Russian response has been hostility, contempt and sarcasm. Not satisfactory.

Expelling a few spies and not letting harry n wills go watch a few football games is hardly punishing the Russians.

I heard some talk that they were considering a full on cyber attack against the Russians, that would be more like it. Or start going after the money of Vlad and his pals.

This just seems week.

a reply to: oldcarpy

You would think at so many failed attempts with Rasputin the Russians would get better with poisoning people

Any new news you heard carpy? We still have an ambulance on our estate that has been here about the time of the incident and hasn’t moved

don’t think anyone wants to move it lol

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Russia has stated it sees cyber attacks as an act or war, we can’t go there

war of course is no option, not a lot we can do to be honest

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: vinifalou

Wow! What a repercussion!

This will make them think twice from now on!

Yes, traditionally Russia would expel 23 British diplomats in return ... but to show that they are not willing to play such childish games won't do so. Probably block British exports.

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Police and military are removing a recovery vehicle (Ashley Woods) from Gillingham, Dorset. Probably to do with the chap's BMW.