Science teacher fed live puppy to snapping turtle in front of students, witnesses say

originally posted by: JoshuaCox


My guess is the dog died TOTALLY unconnected to the feeding. Then the teacher decided to feed the carcass to the turtle to show what the turtle would do in the wild. Scavenge..

Happens all the time..


The students and teachers don’t back a guy who slowly watched a turtle rip a live puppy to pieces..

So dead puppies happen all the time...you do not see any physiological connections to what we see as a pet...a dead pet that is fed to whatever?

When I did survival training they would pick who they thought was the weakest person and give them a rabbit. That person's job was to take care of the rabbit for a week and then they would tell the person to kill it and eat it.

OK, we go to school with kids and we want to induce like situation of feeding what we would see as a pet, dead or not, to a turtle...OK...


Once again what is the purpose? You do not think children are somewhat fragile still? We talk about a psychopath that kills a pet just to see what happens, see it die without any emotions etc...is this the lesson?

That is not a lesson I would want some teacher teach my kid with a gleeful smile on his face as he lowers an animal down into the turtle. I hunt, I kill, I have 28 years in the military killing...I still respect life in you kill when it is purposeful and not for fun.

a reply to: JoshuaCox
You have stated about eight times that you believe something is fishy about this story and that the media is spinning it.

Although it is admirable how skeptical you are when it comes to main stream media somewhere you are going to have to back these suspicions up. You are not proving anything by saying the same thing over and over...

I have been going over this subject for three days now and although it is impossible for us at this point to state the puppy was alive at the time, all evidence point in the direction that this teacher did things that do not correspond with law.

I can keep posting that the mother of the students involved defended the teacher, with her statement to the press, that the puppy drowned before it was eaten and how the teacher educated the boys on how this procedure is painless.

We shall have to wait for this 6th Judicial District prosecuting attorney to make a statement.

In the mean time (If you really want a fresh update)....

Officials seize turtle from Idaho teacher

I suspect the radicals from PETA are trying everything to hang this guy in the highest tree and got the turtle confiscated on ground of it not being legally obtained or something. It has nothing to do with the ongoing discussion and frankly I think those PETA guys are just as scary as the teacher who would torture a puppy to death.

Peace

a reply to: Xtrozero

Not once it’s dead..

Do you stop and bury every dead dog/cat you see on the side of the road??

No, of course not..


Would you stop and help an injured dog on the side of the road??

Maybe, but you would be 1/100....


Why wouldn’t you feed a dead dog to a carnivore(omnivore)???

At least then the “cycle of life” is completed.

I think the fact we fill human bodies with chemicals and lock them in a steel box, to ensure the earth doesn’t even get our organic matter back..

For all we take from the planet , we no longer even put our bodies back..


I think kids watching a turtle slowly ripping a live dog to pieces would be despicable..

But a dead dog carcass is a totally different matter.. the dog is already dead.. it doesn’t mind .. lol.

The media knows that is the way most people feel, so they chose to omit the part about the dog being dead.


That is why Fox News is the only “real” news site that would touch it..

Truth has never been their strong suit. Propaganda is.




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a reply to: operation mindcrime

I’m too lazy to go through the pages and find it, but I quoted where the stories were saying..

“We cannot confirm if the puppy was alive or dead..”


That means the dog was dead and they are trying to spin it..


That is their disclaimer to keep the teacher/school from suing them for printing fabricated slander.

Period you wouldn’t have the students and school administrators backing a guy who personally watched AND ESPECIALLY allowed students to watch a puppy being slowly ripped to pieces by a turtle..


Just imagaine how horrifying that would be to watch.. basically everyone else would think so to..


Media does this all the time.. DOUBLLY so with garbage compilation sites.. and since Fox News is the only accredited news site that was willing to touch this story, and they are the least credible accredited news site. That should speak volumes.


I keep posting that because people have a right to not be propagandized.. people have a right to make informed decisions. Not to be lied to for click bait.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Preston parent Farahlyn Hansen said the kids involved weren’t traumatized and that the puppy had been abandoned by its mother. A local farmer brought it to Crosland hoping that he could save it, but it wasn’t accepting nourishment and was expected to die, she said.

After school last Tuesday, Hansen said her older son and a friend stopped at the junior high to pick up her younger son and visit with Crosland, who is helping her son with an Eagle Scout project.

The young pup was the last surviving puppy in a litter that had been abandoned by its mother, Hansen said, and the teacher made efforts to keep the puppy alive, but it was in very poor condition and would not accept food.

Crosland allegedly talked to the three boys about death by drowning, saying it was faster and less painful than allowing it to starve to death on the farm, and in its weakened state, the puppy reportedly died quickly, Hansen said.


I understand any news source has the need to put words like "dead or alive" in quotations because they want to stay objective. It is the key point in this case and only solid evidence can state in certain terms what really happened.

Peace

a reply to: JoshuaCox

On the facebook page of the mother of the kids who witnessed it it states..



Facebook Farahlyn Hansen

If those kids saw the physical state of the puppy was "dead" I really don't see why his action should be described as humane..

Keeping an open mind is okay but not so much that your brain falls out.

Peace

It is obvious what happened here and even the people supporting this teacher aren't denying that mr.Crosland put a sick puppy out of it's misery.

We are a long way from the days that we took old yeller behind the shed because through the progress of science and understanding the world around us we are forced to constantly check our morals and ethics and amend or create rules accordingly.

It was found that drowning can not be considered a humane method of euthanization and with this knowledge we created laws preventing it.

Wether or not the turtle ate it alive or not isn't even the question here, the question is if mr.Crosland took the necessary steps to euthanize a pet in such a manner that causes it the least amount of suffering.

I am pretty sure Preston, Idaho has a veterinary service and they should have been contacted.

You can be from a small rural community of 5000 people where everybody considers it normal practice to put a domesticated animal out of it misery in a way the majority sees fit but it just doesn't work that way..

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

We are a long way from the days that we took old yeller behind the shed because through the progress of science and understanding the world around us we are forced to constantly check our morals and ethics and amend or create rules accordingly.

Yes, but in my opinion? It has to do with the veterinary side of 'Big Pharma'.

Case and point: For insurance reasons I had to have a yearling (horse) put down. The vet came out and loaded up two 60cc syringes with a mix of a lethal pharma soup. The first syringe didn't put a dent in the yearlings consciousness. By the time we were done both of us were sitting on the horses neck, both had syringes and we both were injecting more killing fluid into this poor guy while he gasped for life and flailed.

It was horrific. And I promised myself NEVER AGAIN would I allow a horse of mine to suffer in such a way.

Flip side? A friend of mines mare got hit by a car while they were riding it. They couldn't get in touch with a vet and she asked if I would rush down there. It was obvious from the condition of the horse (still standing) she needed to be put out of her misery. So, I shot her. She was on the pavement and dead before the echo of the pistol was done ringing through the valley and our heads.

So - we, by law, must cause an animal undo fear and suffering when a bullet to the brain is enough to humanely euthanize.

It's BS.

We're being 'taught' the 'value of life in animals' in school not so much so kids don't go around cutting dog's ears off, but so once again we will submit to more Big Pharma, Farm style.

What this teacher did?

Pretty simple. He was given a dying pup.

He drowned it in the turtles man made 'pond' to relieve it's misery and feed the turtle.

A few kids were there, were not disturbed by it and I don't see anywhere it saying this teacher FORCED those kids to WATCH.

As you've added to your contribution to the thread - the whole town stands behind this guy, as does the parents (mothers?) of the kids who 'watched'.

And just for everyone's info?

Those kids are farm boys. Believe you me, there are a lot worse things 'farm kids' see than a dead puppy fed to a turtle.

And lest all you snowflakes forget? (not directed at you mindcrime).

If it wasn't for people who did take 'ol Yeller behind the shed' - Did hunt and kill to provide for their families. Knew that animals were put here for the purpose to fulfill our needs - not the other way around? NONE of us would be here.

a reply to: operation mindcrime

What method of death is "humane"?

Hell, wouldnt gun to the head behind the shed be better than what the vet does?

In war the saying goes you never hear the bullet that kills you (because it travels faster than the speed of sound and you're dead before the sound hits your ears).

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I think so...


I think the reason we do lethal injection so WE feel superior..


In reality messy usually equals less painful..


Duck tape a grenade to a death row inmates head, and sure its messy, but there would be zero pain and very little chance of a mistake..

Imho keeping someone in a concrete box for 30 years then strapping them to a table with some RX that we really have no idea what the person feels is inhumane..


I personally would reserve the death penalty for true monsters where guilt isn’t even remotely in question, but in those cases....

Execute them tomorrow exactly like you would a rabid dog.. no torture , no waiting..


Just 5-6 shots to the back of the head, or I really like my duct tape and grenade plan..


He’ll probably only costs the military 50$ a grenade..

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: operation mindcrime

What method of death is "humane"?

Hell, wouldnt gun to the head behind the shed be better than what the vet does?

In war the saying goes you never hear the bullet that kills you (because it travels faster than the speed of sound and you're dead before the sound hits your ears).

I could see how a bullet to the head would be pretty humane but as Silo's examples go, I am pretty sure I could find you a lot of stories about people shooting their pet and misfiring or trying to use a BB gun to get the job done....

We cannot, as a society, allow this kind of practice if other options are available. I am sure lethal injections can go wrong but as a whole it is considered most humane and when you decide to keep a pet you should also agree to obligations that come with it..

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

A) If the puppy died or was put down because it was so sick it was going to die anyway. That is unrelated to the feeding..

Aka exactly my guess on the whole thing..

B) we have NO WAY to know if that face book message is from an actual mother of the student.


Alot of people probably know better than to “trust the msm”, but will instantly believe any Facebook post they read...


In my experience when an event would require half a dozen professionals to act in a completely insane way. .. as if that way is normal..

It is being propagandized.

This would require the teacher, witnesses and then the principal and school board to all be lunatics. Because they are not calling the teacher out.. they are supporting him.



Such as a viral story I remember from awhile back..

“Kid arrested for wearing a shirt with a gun on it to school..”


That would require the cop, teacher, principal and a couple other school employees to all be total retards..

What actually happened was the kid had a political shirt on. The school had a policy against political shirts. They asked the kid to turn it inside out. He refused and then got aggressive with the principle so the cops were called. Then he pushed the cop and was arrested for that..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Oh boy...

A) If the puppy died or was put down because it was so sick it was going to die anyway. That is unrelated to the feeding..

Not if the feeding was the method of choice for putting the dog down!!

B) we have NO WAY to know if that face book message is from an actual mother of the student.

Yes we do, it's called research. The local Preston paper published the facebook link after talking to mother who wanted to give a statement to the paper. In the facebook link you can also find a link to the petition the woman started to support the teacher.

Peace

a reply to: silo13
I can understand your objection to the method of lethal injection with the experience you describe and that you suspect "big pharma" is only trying to make a buck. It has merit but in that case the burden of evidence lies with you and you should conduct your own independent research to find more humane methods.

I case of the injured horse being hit by a car, your friend could have called the police and they are allowed to put an animal out of it's misery by shooting it if no other options are available. The reason a law officer is allowed to do this is because he is trained in using his weapon and it is considered humane.

Again, I have no problem with shooting a pet to end it's suffering but you have to agree that if we allow this method we also have to appoint, train and educate people to do this and not allow any yahoo with a gun to give it a go...because then the next thread we are going to read is about a guy shooting his dog 100 times with a BB gun to end it's suffering. There is a reason this stuff is regulated. We have laws that say how we should treat our pets and those are not without basis.

Saying that the whole town is behind him says absolutely nothing because that is an open invitation to starting up that whole witch-burning thing we used to do.

Peace

Little update..

Preston teacher's turtle euthanized amid reports it ate a puppy

Talk about talking a sh*tty situation and making it even sh*ttier..

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Oh jeez..why the f they do that? this is how to make a somewhat sh#tty situation sh#ttier, not the turtles fault..it will eat non live food.

a reply to: vonclod

The turtle is an invasive species that was kept without a license. They confiscated it from the teacher, who already had to relocate the animals to his home, if I read it correctly. The teacher has already been charged with this and we are still waiting for details from the district attorney about the feeding puppies thingy...

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Ok, thanks

Turtle is dead...survival of the fittest...

As far as putting it our of misery...was the teacher a vet to determent that?

a reply to: Xtrozero

If we didn't know any better it would almost seem as if... "See what you did, you hippies! If you wouldn't have reported the teacher, the poor turtle would still be alive!". lol

If that teacher was a vet he sure isn't one anymore.

Peace