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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
I understand that there is some # going on that cant be ignored and women and men should fight for equality in everything and be a eglatarian society
however when feminism bangs on about toxic masculinity , I stop listening
are there any toxic female behaviours , yes lots
the kardashians are toxic femininity , look at how they clone every female on the planet to think , look and act the same
yet no one questions it because they are female celebrities
as for the patriarchy , Queen of #ing England , nuff said
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ScepticScot
dude the fact that history is awash with powerful females, the fact we even had queens rule countries in the first place means there is no patriarchy ever!
We had female goddesses if the patriarchy was real there wouldnt even be a mention of a poweful female goddess or ruler
it would be wiped from history
As for the celebs, well I dont really watch tv any more and I am not on social media so not sure if people do challenge that kind of behaviours for young women. I am ill informed on this subject, but Id rather be ill-informed on celeb culture
The concept of toxic masculinity that I find wrong is dominance, if males were not dominant one could argue scientifically that we would not be having this conversation , nor women would be able to hold such opinions if the males of our species were not dominant !
Humans no longer live in nature, and we still have all these species bound traits which are from our genetic past
which we cant just ignore or shake off as easily. We think that just because we live in cities and have all this culture we still dont act like animals.
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: amazing
But that's not the case with a large percentage of women, such as my wife. No time off, better qualified, kick ass resume still get's paid less and treated less than the men in her group.
And what is it that she does? Some how I doubt she is being blatantly underpaid for the exact same work, especially if she is better at the job, you are not telling us something. However, there are times where I would say the same job should pay different rates to different people, Amy Schumer recently got angry because she gets paid much less by Netflix than Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock. However she is clearly much less good at her job and doesn't attract as many viewers, so Netflix sees no reason to pay her as much, and that is fair imo, I'm sure lots of male comedians also earn far less than Dave Chappelle and that's fine too.
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
Women are just as intelligent as men, just because there are less female professors or less female programmers doesn't mean they are worse at those jobs or that men are holding them back, guys are just more analytical and more likely to do something which involves cold hard logic. I'm a programmer and I know of several highly skilled female coders, many of which are more skilled than I am. There's no nerd conspiracy to prevent girls from entering our secret club, trust me we will not complain about more girls in the industry... it's fine to encourage women into these fields but to act like the whole reason they are not equally represented is due to the evil patriarchy is absurd and insulting.