Fatal Delusions of Western Man

China. The Elephant in the Room? I'm thinking Yeah but much bigger, we're talking a whole lot bigger but who'd notice Goliath walking around freely? Apparently no one.

“We got China wrong. Now what?” ran the headline over the column in The Washington Post. “Remember how American engagement with China was going to make that communist backwater more like the democratic, capitalist West?” asked Charles Lane in his opening sentence. America’s elites believed that economic engagement and the opening of U.S. markets would cause the People’s Republic to coexist benignly with its neighbors and the West.
We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

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We today confront a Chinese Communist dictatorship and superpower that seeks to displace America as first power on earth, and to drive the U.S. military back across the Pacific.

A few things need to change. How the economy is run and who's selling the US off to foreign interest? It's been happening for a long time but no one's really said much about it. Thinking about it isn't an option anymore, 'doing something' Is, leads me to one statement, Occams Razor.

Your backyard is 50 acres but every year you lose 2. Who cares it's a couple of acres. you get it..

a reply to: BotheLumberJack

What I would worry about is the general alienation of so called allies. The general climate is everybody does what they want no matter who they p.o.

Watch every Kung-Fu movie ever made.
The bad guy always gets his ass kicked.

Gee, better assassinate their "dictator" and force "regime change".

a reply to: BotheLumberJack

We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.

Talk about the usual delusions.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

What I would worry about is the general alienation of so called allies. The general climate is everybody does what they want no matter who they p.o.

I do believe that the political animal worldwide understands that at times, at least with the americans, the government must look like it is actually helping its people and economy. Hell we for years were scarfing up Japanese products, allowing them to build their economy with our wealth while theirs was protected.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.

Talk about the usual delusions.

Care to elaborate? Or just your usual response to my posts.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.

Talk about the usual delusions.

Care to elaborate? Or just your usual response to my posts.

It's your usual post. It demands the usual response. You have a China claiming the majority of the South China Sea as their territory and trumping all regional claims by it's neighbors. Territorial grab and nothing more. Even Communist Vietnam is kowtowing to the U.S.-as is all of China's neighbors- asking for U.S. support, miltarily, to counter Chinese moves.

Yet as you usually do, you ignore that obvious point and dump on the U.S..

China only want to do business....yep. Their way their rules and if you don't like it they militarize the region.

Your post is garbage.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.

Talk about the usual delusions.

Care to elaborate? Or just your usual response to my posts.

I can elaborate. Cuba, Nazi Germany, South Africa to name just a few. These are all areas that began with "Well it's not really our problem. We should stay out of it and let them take care of it themselves". Read your history. I'm not talking about school book history, but real history. Every time you have a person in power start pushing the limits of that power left unchecked they WILL become a problem for the rest of the world. This guy is starting to lay claim to what is otherwise considered international waters. If nothing is said or done he will decide to start defending that water, then expand further. History has provided us plenty of examples of what this guy is doing. Japan is our allie so what happens when he starts pushing them more than he has been. Either Japan makes nice with China or bullets start flying. If the battle begins we are required by mutual agreement to help.

Does that help you?

China must not know, boarders are racist

ATS should send some pink hats to the people of China, that will fix their issue

On the bullets start flying end, what kind of missle defense does that huge damn of theirs have?

originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
China must not know, boarders are racist

ATS should send some pink hats to the people of China, that will fix their issue

On the bullets start flying end, what kind of missle defense does that huge damn of theirs have?

The damns defense doesn't matter, we're not allowed to target it because it's a civil property not a military one. If you blow that damn you might kill a civilian or cause damage or hardship to someone living in the area.

a reply to: intrptr

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country.

Chia? I think you mean China.

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business

Sure okay. The US only wants to marginalize China's Business interests militarily ( and their interest in our LAND) and taking over US Companies. But.. China just wants to do business.

a reply to: Peeple

The general climate is everybody does what they want no matter who they p.o.

Yeah and some day that will be the big kicker when it heats up and the chips start falling.

originally posted by: MikeA

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.

Talk about the usual delusions.

Care to elaborate? Or just your usual response to my posts.

I can elaborate. Cuba, Nazi Germany, South Africa to name just a few. These are all areas that began with "Well it's not really our problem. We should stay out of it and let them take care of it themselves". Read your history. I'm not talking about school book history, but real history. Every time you have a person in power start pushing the limits of that power left unchecked they WILL become a problem for the rest of the world. This guy is starting to lay claim to what is otherwise considered international waters. If nothing is said or done he will decide to start defending that water, then expand further. History has provided us plenty of examples of what this guy is doing. Japan is our allie so what happens when he starts pushing them more than he has been. Either Japan makes nice with China or bullets start flying. If the battle begins we are required by mutual agreement to help.

Does that help you?

Everything happens full circle. Japan was was at it's height of cruelty toward enemy captures,(including prisoners from the West and Europe) and China paid big time, now the tables have turned. Japan is now back in the game but the players and allies have changed places.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.

Talk about the usual delusions.

Care to elaborate? Or just your usual response to my posts.

It's your usual post. It demands the usual response. You have a China claiming the majority of the South China Sea as their territory and trumping all regional claims by it's neighbors. Territorial grab and nothing more. Even Communist Vietnam is kowtowing to the U.S.-as is all of China's neighbors- asking for U.S. support, miltarily, to counter Chinese moves.

Yet as you usually do, you ignore that obvious point and dump on the U.S..

China only want to do business....yep. Their way their rules and if you don't like it they militarize the region.

Your post is garbage.

Like the Middle East, this is Asia's beef to hash out, not ours. We need to keep our goddamn nose out of it and let them fight their own fights. They managed for many millennia before we started meddling over there, I think they'll still be able to resolve their own conflicts without the West butting in & hovering.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.

Talk about the usual delusions.

Care to elaborate? Or just your usual response to my posts.

It's your usual post. It demands the usual response. You have a China claiming the majority of the South China Sea as their territory and trumping all regional claims by it's neighbors. Territorial grab and nothing more. Even Communist Vietnam is kowtowing to the U.S.-as is all of China's neighbors- asking for U.S. support, miltarily, to counter Chinese moves.

Yet as you usually do, you ignore that obvious point and dump on the U.S..

China only want to do business....yep. Their way their rules and if you don't like it they militarize the region.

Your post is garbage.

Like the Middle East, this is Asia's beef to hash out, not ours. We need to keep our goddamn nose out of it and let them fight their own fights. They managed for many millennia before we started meddling over there, I think they'll still be able to resolve their own conflicts without the West butting in & hovering.

In case you've foregotten, the U.S. has been stuck as the world's lone superpower since the end of WWII. The ME is a European mess the U.S. has been sucked into.

The rest of the world has basically thrived under that lone superpower. So spare me your likely young and myopic view of Asia.

That isolationist mentality in the U.S. gave birth to both WWi and WWII. China needs to be reined in a bit. Simple.

Don't like it? Tough.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Whoa, whoa boy! I'm pretty sure the US spearheaded the illegal invasion of Iraq. Have you ever heard of the PNAC?