Flying Rod UFO's, The book should still be open

originally posted by: wmd_2008
CMOS sensors work the same way in a $300- Multi thousand $ cameras.

Not really, some sensors are made to overcome the rolling shutter problem, like Sony's Pregius.

PS: Red has a lens mount with a global shutter, the Motion Mount.

a reply to: ArMaP

Should be some interesting history going back to the late 1950's when they were developing the LEO satellite cameras.
The mach 3 oxcart aircraft would have been used as a test bed for the early digital shutter systems.
They actually used the term "bug" in the technical write up for the cameras I read back in 1962 so its on topic for the thread.
To get clear sharp photos from that altitude they would have needed exotic technology that consumers still can't buy even today.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: wmd_2008
CMOS sensors work the same way in a $300- Multi thousand $ cameras.

Not really, some sensors are made to overcome the rolling shutter problem, like Sony's Pregius.

PS: Red has a lens mount with a global shutter, the Motion Mount.

Not everyone uses the motion mount as it depends on your use of the camera and the Sony Preguis is not used in many cameras it main use is industry/transport applications, I doubt if any claimed rod footage was taken with one.

Many films and tv shows have used Canon/Nikon DSLR's for footage and many other vloggers etc use Sony A7 cameras all with standard CMOS sensors ie not global shutter. with prices from a few hundred dollars to several thousand dollars so not cheap cameras.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
Not everyone uses the motion mount as it depends on your use of the camera and the Sony Preguis is not used in many cameras it main use is industry/transport applications, I doubt if any claimed rod footage was taken with one.

I only wanted to show that CMOS doesn't equal rolling shutter, there are really alternatives.

Many films and tv shows have used Canon/Nikon DSLR's for footage and many other vloggers etc use Sony A7 cameras all with standard CMOS sensors ie not global shutter. with prices from a few hundred dollars to several thousand dollars so not cheap cameras.

Do you think that American Pickers episode was filmed with a Canon or a Nikon? That's what I was talking about.

I shot a nerf dart past my camera with the shutter speed at 1/30. The image is indoors with much less lighting than the outdoor image of the rod shown on the left. The nerf dart was probably traveling between 30 and 40 mph. The rod has unknown speed. The nerf dart shows considerable motion blur and the rod shows a lot less blur. Compare the American Pickers rod with the blurred nerf dart and the AP rod seems to show absolutely little to no blur in some frames.

originally posted by: Thoseaintcontrails
I shot a nerf dart past my camera with the shutter speed at 1/30. The image is indoors with much less lighting than the outdoor image of the rod shown on the left. The nerf dart was probably traveling between 30 and 40 mph. The rod has unknown speed. The nerf dart shows considerable motion blur and the rod shows a lot less blur.

The difference may be the result of several things, at least size, light and speed, but it's good to make tests.

Compare the American Pickers rod with the blurred nerf dart and the AP rod seems to show absolutely little to no blur in some frames.

The problem with using videos from other sources is that we don't have any idea of how the cameras used in those work, specially what kind of sensor they had.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: Thoseaintcontrails
I shot a nerf dart past my camera with the shutter speed at 1/30. The image is indoors with much less lighting than the outdoor image of the rod shown on the left. The nerf dart was probably traveling between 30 and 40 mph. The rod has unknown speed. The nerf dart shows considerable motion blur and the rod shows a lot less blur.

The difference may be the result of several things, at least size, light and speed, but it's good to make tests.

Compare the American Pickers rod with the blurred nerf dart and the AP rod seems to show absolutely little to no blur in some frames.

The problem with using videos from other sources is that we don't have any idea of how the cameras used in those work, specially what kind of sensor they had.

I wanted to shoot the dart from the same location as the rod outdoors, but I am not climbing that tree to shoot a nerf gun lol. I also tested what the shutter speed is in auto recording mode, so I took pics while recording. I moved lighting sources closer and further, shutter speed was usually 1/30, was 1/40 closer to a light source.

One thing I forgot to say and that may also make a difference is the light source. On outdoors shooting there's not a big difference, as the light source is (usually) the Sun, either direct or indirect, filtered through clouds or dust, etc., but indoors the light source may interfere with the final result, as incandescence light bulbs (like the old light bulbs or the more modern halogen lamps) emit a steady light stream, while fluorescence and LED light bulbs flicker a little and create a stroboscopic effect.

a reply to: ArMaP

I never said American Pickers was filmed on a Canon/Nikon DSLR all I said was many Films/TV have been completely or partly filmed using DSLR's.

Another video re the subject

originally posted by: wmd_2008
I never said American Pickers was filmed on a Canon/Nikon DSLR all I said was many Films/TV have been completely or partly filmed using DSLR's.

I didn't say you did.

Steven Soderbergh's last movie, Unsane, was filmed with an iPhone 7 Plus.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: ArMaP

I never said American Pickers was filmed on a Canon/Nikon DSLR all I said was many Films/TV have been completely or partly filmed using DSLR's.

Another video re the subject

The recorder speculates these are bees, but bees dont move like this and I have never seen them appear anything like this on video. The rods turn at straight angles. Bees and small insects move more erratically.

a reply to: Thoseaintcontrails

The recorder speculates these are bees

Do they?

Try watching again, they claim it is a bee because there was a bee flying around at the time of filming that scene.

but bees dont move like this and I have never seen them appear anything like this on video.

You have just been shown that bee's do move like this and now have seen them appear as such on video as well.


2 birds with 1 stone.

The rods turn at straight angles.

Have you actually watched the video.

The insects behave exactly how insects behave, no turns were straight angles in the video linked.

The video mentions the s shape the bee travels in and its quite visible even at full speed,

straight angles?

One clip of a straight line which is likely an insect flying past the lens at very close range but no where were there an straight angles, all the clips with turns had a curved turn.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Thoseaintcontrails

The recorder speculates these are bees

Do they?

Try watching again, they claim it is a bee because there was a bee flying around at the time of filming that scene.

but bees dont move like this and I have never seen them appear anything like this on video.

You have just been shown that bee's do move like this and now have seen them appear as such on video as well.


2 birds with 1 stone.

The rods turn at straight angles.

Have you actually watched the video.

The insects behave exactly how insects behave, no turns were straight angles in the video linked.

The video mentions the s shape the bee travels in and its quite visible even at full speed,

straight angles?

One clip of a straight line which is likely an insect flying past the lens at very close range but no where were there an straight angles, all the clips with turns had a curved turn.

I will get back to the angles later. You, nor the recorder can prove these are bees. We dont know what the shutter speed is. Prove these are bees today by recording some and having them appear as rods. The last rod shown was at least 10 ft from the lens. But I cant prove the distance and you cant prove it was close to the lens.

a reply to: Thoseaintcontrails

You, nor the recorder can prove these are bees.

and

Prove these are bees today by recording some and having them appear as rods.

are you trying to be funny?

The last rod shown was at least 10 ft from the lens. But I cant prove the distance and you cant prove it was close to the lens.

The last clip, where the guy filming said it was a bee because there was a bee flying around at that precise moment?

Why would try to prove its close to the lens?

I agree its not and it flies in a s shape away and then back towards so there is a range in the distance the bee was from the lens.

Seriously are you not reading what you are replying to or have you not watched the video in full? its quite short.

It was a bee! The bloke in the video says he saw it! For goodness sake, people. Bees. Bugs. Moths.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Thoseaintcontrails

You, nor the recorder can prove these are bees.

and

Prove these are bees today by recording some and having them appear as rods.

are you trying to be funny?

The last rod shown was at least 10 ft from the lens. But I cant prove the distance and you cant prove it was close to the lens.

The last clip, where the guy filming said it was a bee because there was a bee flying around at that precise moment?

Why would try to prove its close to the lens?

I agree its not and it flies in a s shape away and then back towards so there is a range in the distance the bee was from the lens.

Seriously are you not reading what you are replying to or have you not watched the video in full? its quite short.

First off, no one in the video says anything. There are things written, but nothing is said.
I am serious, record some bees and try to make them appear as rods.
You speculated it was close to the lens, I am just asking you to back up your speculation about the last rod.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
It was a bee! The bloke in the video says he saw it! For goodness sake, people. Bees. Bugs. Moths.

What are you talking about, no one says anything in the video.

a reply to: Thoseaintcontrails


Says/writes, whatever:

"It was a hot day and I remember all the bees flying around us. The next clip catches one..."

BEE!!!!!

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Thoseaintcontrails

You, nor the recorder can prove these are bees.

and

Prove these are bees today by recording some and having them appear as rods.

are you trying to be funny?

The last rod shown was at least 10 ft from the lens. But I cant prove the distance and you cant prove it was close to the lens.

The last clip, where the guy filming said it was a bee because there was a bee flying around at that precise moment?

Why would try to prove its close to the lens?

I agree its not and it flies in a s shape away and then back towards so there is a range in the distance the bee was from the lens.

Seriously are you not reading what you are replying to or have you not watched the video in full? its quite short.

Bees with some motion blur. Where do you see rods?

Out of hundreds or thousands of bees at close range, not 1 rod. youtu.be...

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Thoseaintcontrails


Says/writes, whatever:

"It was a hot day and I remember all the bees flying around us. The next clip catches one..."

BEE!!!!!

People can write whatever they want, doesnt make it true. Is that all the evidence it takes to prove or disprove something to you, written speculation?