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originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
The early Christians celebrated the day when Jesus was raised from the dead- "The Lord's day." Since it came after the seventh day, they called it "the eighth day of Creation" (which is why the number "eight" is applied to Jesus several times in the New Testament).
Justin Martyr, one of the very earliest Christian writers, published "The Dialogue with Trypho", in which he argues the Christian case against a Jewish spokesman. In this book, he acknowledges that the Christians do not observe the Jewish Sabbath, and justifies the failure. It must have been one of the many features of Jewish practice which the Gentile converts did not bother to pick up.
So the two key points are;
The early church did not observe Saturday.
The early church did celebrate Sunday.
The later transfer of the label "sabbath" from Saturday to Sunday was a verbal inaccuracy, but the point is not very important.
originally posted by: Deplorable
What day is actually Saturday? Do you think anyone's really been able to keep track of it? LOL
originally posted by: TREESNAKE1111
originally posted by: Deplorable
What day is actually Saturday? Do you think anyone's really been able to keep track of it? LOL
Yes . The Jews have been keeping track of it for thousands of years . Literally .
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
Just one of the laws jesus said could be discarded.
Which is why Jews don’t believe in Christianity..
The OT repeatedly states “obey my laws”, “if anyone tells you you no longer must obey my laws. Don’t listen, obey my laws”..
Then jesus comes along and says “hey guys . I’m changing the laws.”
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Then jesus comes along and says “hey guys . I’m changing the laws.”
originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: SatansPride
what in the world are you on about?
"Many other scientific breakthroughs were in the Bible already, like the leaning tower of pizza experiment, they already knew that"
that may be the single most hillarious thing Ive ever read on ATS. Scientific break through?
originally posted by: TREESNAKE1111
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
The early Christians celebrated the day when Jesus was raised from the dead- "The Lord's day." Since it came after the seventh day, they called it "the eighth day of Creation" (which is why the number "eight" is applied to Jesus several times in the New Testament).
Justin Martyr, one of the very earliest Christian writers, published "The Dialogue with Trypho", in which he argues the Christian case against a Jewish spokesman. In this book, he acknowledges that the Christians do not observe the Jewish Sabbath, and justifies the failure. It must have been one of the many features of Jewish practice which the Gentile converts did not bother to pick up.
So the two key points are;
The early church did not observe Saturday.
The early church did celebrate Sunday.
The later transfer of the label "sabbath" from Saturday to Sunday was a verbal inaccuracy, but the point is not very important.
Jesus was a Jew .
On the Biblical lunar-solar calendar, each lunation (or lunar month) always begins with a New Moon day, which is in a class of worship day all by itself. Six work days follow on the second through seventh of the month. The seventh-day Sabbath always falls on the 8th, the 15th, the 22nd and the 29th of every lunar month.
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Jews and the Sabbath
While it is true that the Jews today worship on a Saturday sabbath, this does not prove that it is the true Sabbath. They did not always worship on the Saturday sabbath. Jewish scholars are very clear that the original method of calendation was different from the modern calendar and that under intense persecution during the fourth century A.D., the Jews gave up their original lunar-solar calendar.
"Declaring the new month by observation of the new moon, and the new year by the arrival of spring, can only be done by the Sanhedrin. In the time of Hillell II [4th century C.E.], the last President of the Sanhedrin, the Romans prohibited this practice. Hillel II was therefore forced to institute his fixed calendar, thus in effect giving the Sanhedrin's advance approval to the calendars of all future years." ("The Jewish Calendar and Holidays (incl. Sabbath)": The Jewish Calendar; Changing the Calendar, www.torah.org, emphasis supplied.)
"The New Moon is still, and the Sabbath originally was, dependent upon the lunar cycle." (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 410)
Once the ancient lunar-solar calendar had been set aside, knowledge of the true Sabbath was lost with the acceptance of the pagan Julian calendar
The Lunar Sabbath
Roman dates were counted inclusively forward to the next of three principal days: the first of the month (the kalends), a day less than the middle of the month (the ides), and eight days—nine, counting inclusively—before this (the nones). The original calendar consisted of 10 months beginning in spring with March; winter was left as an unassigned span of days. These months ran for 38 nundinal cycles, each forming a kind of eight (i.e., "nine") day week ended by religious rituals and a public market. The winter period was then used to create January and February. The legendary early kings Romulus and Numa were traditionally credited with establishing this early fixed calendar, which bears traces of its origin as an observational lunar one. In particular, the kalends, nones, and ides seem to have derived from the first sighting of the crescent moon, the first-quarter moon, and the full moon respectively. The system ran well short of the solar year, and it needed constant intercalation to keep religious festivals and other activities in their proper seasons. For superstitious reasons, such intercalation occurred within the month of February even after it was no longer considered the last month.
After the establishment of the Roman Republic, years began to be dated by consulships and control over intercalation was granted to the pontifices, who eventually abused their power by lengthening years controlled by their political allies and shortening the years in their rivals' terms of office. Having won his war with Pompey, Caesar used his position as Rome's chief pontiff to enact a calendar reform in 46 BC,
Roman calendar
originally posted by: TREESNAKE1111
Jesus was a Jew .