Assassination attempt on former Russian spy in the UK , The Cold War Returns

The UK has just announced its expelling Russian diplomats

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


23 of them, "Undeclared intelligence officers" ie. spies.

The Govt is also briefing the UN Security Council and more measures to come.

I just hope that all political parties in the UK will squarely back these moves and put the County's interests first.

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Yet now, the British Government is claiming to be able instantly to identify a substance which its only biological weapons research centre has never seen before and was unsure of its existence. Worse, it claims to be able not only to identify it, but to pinpoint its origin. Given Dr Black’s publication, it is plain that claim cannot be true.

The world’s international chemical weapons experts share Dr Black’s opinion. The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is a UN body based in the Hague. In 2013 this was the report of its Scientific Advisory Board, which included US, French, German and Russian government representatives and on which Dr Black was the UK representative:

[The SAB] emphasised that the definition of toxic chemicals in the Convention would cover all potential candidate chemicals that might be utilised as chemical weapons. Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks”. (OPCW, 2013)

OPCW: Report of the Scientific Advisory Board on developments in science and technology for the Third Review Conference 27 March 2013

Indeed the OPCW was so sceptical of the viability of “novichoks” that it decided – with US and UK agreement – not to add them nor their alleged precursors to its banned list. In short, the scientific community broadly accepts Mirzayanov was working on “novichoks” but doubts he succeeded.

Given that the OPCW has taken the view the evidence for the existence of “Novichoks” is dubious, if the UK actually has a sample of one it is extremely important the UK presents that sample to the OPCW. Indeed the UK has a binding treaty obligation to present that sample to OPCW. Russa has – unreported by the corporate media – entered a demand at the OPCW that Britain submit a sample of the Salisbury material for international analysis.

Yet Britain refuses to submit it to the OPCW.

Why?
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The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam

a reply to: PublicOpinion

So a group that was dubious about the existence of "novichok" back in 2013 is now evidence that Russia never had any? Your own source goes on to say:

A second part of May’s accusation is that “Novichoks” could only be made in certain military installations. But that is also demonstrably untrue. If they exist at all, Novichoks were allegedly designed to be able to be made at bench level in any commercial chemical facility – that was a major point of them. The only real evidence for the existence of Novichoks was the testimony of the ex-Soviet scientist Mizayanov. And this is what Mirzayanov actually wrote.

One should be mindful that the chemical components or precursors of A-232 or its binary version novichok-5 are ordinary organophosphates that can be made at commercial chemical companies that manufacture such products as fertilizers and pesticides.

Vil S. Mirzayanov, “Dismantling the Soviet/Russian Chemical Weapons Complex: An Insider’s View,” in Amy E. Smithson, Dr. Vil S. Mirzayanov, Gen Roland Lajoie, and Michael Krepon, Chemical Weapons Disarmament in Russia: Problems and Prospects, Stimson Report No. 17, October 1995, p. 21.

In other words, it doesn't exist and anyone can make it. Classic Russian disinformation.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

The UK has agreed for samples to be sent to the OPWC in fact I think the OPWC are now assisting in the investigation.

a reply to: DJW001

Well, said "anyone" would most likely die while producing it, but that's not the point I was getting at.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Source? All I read is "allies backing The Resa Maybe" and that "The West is shocked. Shocked!" Full blown emotionalized Bollocks, as usual with our little war in the Ukraine/ Russian Aggressions/ you get the drift.

Anyway. Your guys are a few days too late for a botched propaganda duck, that ship sailed.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Well, said "anyone" would most likely die while producing it, but that's not the point I was getting at.

That's why you edited your source... to conceal its contradictory statements. It was an attempt to discredit the British investigation by selectively using opinions formed by a committee several years ago. They were skeptical of reports by a Russian researcher who claimed to have developed "novichuk." Presumably they thought he was just boasting. Nevertheless his testimony seemed specific enough for British Intelligence to analyze it and compare with the agent used in the assassination.

To safeguard against the possibility that a sample will be provided to the OPWC for verification, the authors of the propaganda piece covered their bases by saying that it was simple enough to produce that it would not necessarily be Russia that produced it, "anyone" being the British.

It is your propaganda ship that has sailed. Twenty three Russians have been expelled. Doesn't matter why at this point.

a reply to: DJW001

Edit?

Try to post the full article and some mod will slap you for a gigantic quote. Which is why I reduced the snipped to the part I wanted to talk about, you have the whole piece. Now be nice and say thanks.

[editing the quote again] To safeguard against the possibility that a sample will be provided to the OPWC for verification, the authors of the propaganda piece covered their bases by saying that it was simple enough to produce that it would not necessarily be Russia that produced it, "anyone" being the British.

Wow, that's some serious conspirational thinking from you there. Fair enough. But what if they're just fed up with the fact, that the Brits didn't provide a sample days ago? I mean... it's against the protocol, innit? We have no way to verify their claims with an international, and objective, "peer review" now.
Trusting our crooked gubmints blindly in this matter isn't good enough, we've been there before. Read the Iraq-headline again?

a reply to: PublicOpinion


You appear to be overlooking the fact that us Brits are sending a sample to the relevant independent body, the OPCW, so how's that for an independent peer review of the evidence?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

May I direct your attention to the MH-17 incident? Russia's strategy is always to flood the noosphere with contradictory claims in order to obfuscate the truth, The blog you linked to is an example. We have also seen other confusing claims. Here is a quick list from another thread:

1. Novachuk does not exist.
2. Anyone can make Novachuk.
3. The SAS acquired Novachuk in Syria.
4. Novachuk stockpiles in former Socialist Republics were not destroyed so...
5. ...Ukrainian Nazis did it.
6. The British did it because, erm, they are entirely dedicated to destroying glorious Russia.
7. The Americans did it to drive a wedge between Russia and Britain because, erm, they are totally dedicated to destroying glorious Russia.
8. Nerve agent? What nerve agent? Russia has never had chemical weapons.

How convenient that a British "false flag" makes Russia appear to be guilty of criminal activities, and twenty three innocent Russian diplomats are being expelled a week before Russian elections. Clear evidence of NATO, George Soros, and the Globalists ganging up on Russia. Good thing Vladimir Vladimirovich is up for reelection. He is the only man who can protect Russia.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

a reply to: DJW001

May I direct your attention to the MH-17 incident?

No, thanks. The ongoing war against the people of the Ukraine, and free roaming neo-nazi volunteers with Buks, is a whole different kind of topic. One, that we will prolly never be able to agree upon.

Russia's strategy is always to flood the noosphere with contradictory claims in order to obfuscate the truth

Same with the DOD and their 'satellite pictures' or "Radio Free Europe" and "Bellingcat", just to name a few examples of actual propaganda in this information-warfare.

I'm looking forward to the OPCW's result, if they get a sample. Ya know, critical thinking is critical on both sides of the swinging pendulum.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

No, thanks. The ongoing war against the people of the Ukraine, and free roaming neo-nazi volunteers with Buks, is a whole different kind of topic.

Thank you Moscow, and goodnight.

Salisbury Journal

Here is an update from the Police on how their investigation is progressing - it could take months, apparently. It also explains when cctv footage will be released which will no doubt reassure some of the more sceptical posters on here.

I posted this on another thread but it is relevant here:-

Blood Samples and Med Note to Go to OPCW

A Judge has ruled that blood samples can be taken from the Skripals as well as their medical notes. This is because they are in no fit state to give their consent.

More actual evidence for the independent OPCW to analyse.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
Salisbury Journal

Here is an update from the Police on how their investigation is progressing - it could take months, apparently. It also explains when cctv footage will be released which will no doubt reassure some of the more sceptical posters on here.

CCTV of what?

They were exposed to the nerve agent through the ventilation system in he's car.

So i doubt any CCTV from from the senter will show anything. Both of them were exposed to the nerve agent before they reached the shoping senter.

My bet is that the nerve agent was put into the ventilation system in the car at some location before they used the car to drive to the shoping senter.

So how the ohter victems got effected by the nerve agent is guite odd if you ask me. Unless they also were in the car some times after the victems were exposed. Or it was them who actually pasted the nerve agent into the ventilation system and got exposed to it that way?

a reply to: spy66

CCTV of what?

Of the events leading up to their assassination attempt.

They were exposed to the nerve agent through the ventilation system in he's car.

How would you know that? In any event, Britain is a security state. There are CCTVs everywhere. If someone sneaked into their garage, it would be recorded somewhere. Don't worry; there will be plenty of evidence for you to reject.

a reply to: DJW001

How would you know that? In any event, Britain is a security state. There are CCTVs everywhere. If someone sneaked into their garage, it would be recorded somewhere. Don't worry; there will be plenty of evidence for you to reject.

I bet there will be. It will takes months for them to produce it.

How do i know that the nerve agent was placed in the victiems ventilationsystem? Well, the investigation so far have said so.
Dont you read any of it?

a reply to: spy66

I have better things to do. When the final report comes out, I'll read it. I'm not expecting any surprises in the meantime.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66

I have better things to do. When the final report comes out, I'll read it. I'm not expecting any surprises in the meantime.

You have better Things to do..... That is fair.....

But you do know that the car is in focus right?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66

I have better things to do. When the final report comes out, I'll read it. I'm not expecting any surprises in the meantime.

You have better Things to do..... That is fair.....

But you do know that the car is in focus right?

Thanks for the update.