Donald Trump Says, 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

a reply to: neo96

Yeah. The great deal maker strikes again.

Next up, video games!

a reply to: Phage

If the GOP is smart they will run someone against him.

That cluster eff yesterday cost him dearly.

I had 1 issue.

He just snipped all over it.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Phage

Do you seriously think that is a legitimate argument to make?

The military GIVES that stuff to fight those idiots wars.

Odd how the far Right has changed. I used to get "thank you for your service" now I'm an idiot.

Dosen't matter, I served unlike that Draft dodging POS Trump.

a reply to: olaru12

Odd someone is making an inference where there was none.

Who starts the wars?

The people that go around banning black scary looking objects.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Phage

If the GOP is smart they will run someone against him.

That cluster eff yesterday cost him dearly.

I had 1 issue.

He just snipped all over it.

I agree. th eman just went full retard(im mental a bit so i can say that lol)

a reply to: face23785

I agree, but imagine if Obama said it. Imagine the conservative reaction? Heads would explode! Gun sales would be through the roof! Hannity, Jones, Limbaugh, O'reilly, Gateway Pundit, Profect Veritados, and many more would be shouting from the rooftops, probably something about a new civil war starting.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: theantediluvian

Imagine if Obama ever said that?

Why?

Obama wouldn't give the Republicans everything they've ever wanted.

Trump gave the Democrats EVERYTHING they've wanted since 2004.

Why? See my post above this one for why.

Obama wouldn't give Republicans everything they wanted? What? Was he supposed too? When the R's controlled the majority during the Obama years did they give him anything he wanted? What is your point?

Trump gave Democrats EVERYTHING they've wanted since 2004? What the hell are you talking about?

a reply to: Swills

Gun sales would be through the roof!

So that's Trump's angle. Get your guns while you can!
You nailed it.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Phage

Do you seriously think that is a legitimate argument to make?

The military GIVES that stuff to fight those idiots wars.

Odd how the far Right has changed. I used to get "thank you for your service" now I'm an idiot.

Dosen't matter, I served unlike that Draft dodging POS Trump.

Since you served, you know that the military doesn't just let you go to your own doctor who you can pay to certify you have xyz to get you out of service. You may not like the fact that he got a medical deferment for something as benign as bone spurs, but he didn't write the standards about which medical conditions were disqualifying and he didn't choose the doctor that disqualified him for service due to that condition. Those were the military's standards and it was the military's doctor.

a reply to: face23785

Those were the military's standards and it was the military's doctor.

According to him, he did choose the doctor who wrote the note that got him the deferment. Don't you believe him?

In an interview with The New York Times last month, Mr. Trump said the bone spurs had been “temporary” — a “minor” malady that had not had a meaningful impact on him. He said he had visited a doctor who provided him a letter for draft officials, who granted him the medical exemption. He could not remember the doctor’s name.

“I had a doctor that gave me a letter — a very strong letter on the heels,” Mr. Trump said in the interview.

www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: matafuchs

What he is saying is already happening....

I think you're misunderstanding me. I understand that this is already happening, what I am saying is that it can be viewed as a circumvention of due process.

The kid in Fl shouldn't have had guns in the first place, he'd been reported for making threats and without any new or altered laws should've been barred from having a firearm.

a reply to: face23785

Thanks for the info.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: face23785

Those were the military's standards and it was the military's doctor.

According to him, he did choose the doctor who wrote the note that got him the deferment. Don't you believe him?

In an interview with The New York Times last month, Mr. Trump said the bone spurs had been “temporary” — a “minor” malady that had not had a meaningful impact on him. He said he had visited a doctor who provided him a letter for draft officials, who granted him the medical exemption. He could not remember the doctor’s name.

“I had a doctor that gave me a letter — a very strong letter on the heels,” Mr. Trump said in the interview.

www.nytimes.com...

I'm not seeing the part where he says he chose the doctor.

Here's the record:


You can see where it says he was given an Armed Forces Physical Examination, and the results were he was disqualified from service.

Here's a summary of the draft procedures, my emphasis:

1. Congress and the President authorize a draft: The president claims a crisis has occurred which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which revises the Military Selective Service Act to initiate a draft for military manpower.

2. The Lottery: A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during the calendar year the induction takes place, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 19 and 18 year olds (in that order).

3. All parts of the Selective Service System are activated: The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Force Officers to report for duty.

4. Physical, mental and moral evaluation of registrants: Registrants with low lottery numbers receive examination orders and are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment.

5. Local and appeal boards activated and induction notices sent: Local and Appeal Boards will begin processing registrant claims/appeals. Those who passed the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.

6. First draftees are inducted: According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.

The only thing I could see anyone trying to spin is #4 starts with "registrants with low lottery numbers" and Trump had a high draft number. It's my understanding that all that controls is how soon you get ordered to report. Once you are ordered to report, you'd still have to report to processing for your examination. If someone can find something that says people with a high draft number get to choose their doctor, I'd love to see it.

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a reply to: face23785

So, you don't believe him.

He said he had visited a doctor who provided him a letter for draft officials, who granted him the medical exemption.

I don't blame you. He often lies for no apparent reason.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: face23785

So, you don't believe him.

He said he had visited a doctor who provided him a letter for draft officials, who granted him the medical exemption.

I don't blame you. He often lies for no apparent reason.

You've yet to point out where he says he chose the doctor. He says he visited a doctor. Visiting the military doctors at the processing center doesn't make that statement untrue.

Do you have anything that says he chose his own doctor?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: face23785

So, you don't believe him.

He said he had visited a doctor who provided him a letter for draft officials, who granted him the medical exemption.

I don't blame you. He often lies for no apparent reason.

You've yet to point out where he says he chose the doctor. He says he visited a doctor. Visiting the military doctors at the processing center doesn't make that statement untrue.

Do you have anything that says he chose his own doctor?

You don't know what you are talking about. A Private MD letter could get you a deferment or reclassified.

Show me where it has to be a Military doctor.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: face23785

So, you don't believe him.

He said he had visited a doctor who provided him a letter for draft officials, who granted him the medical exemption.

I don't blame you. He often lies for no apparent reason.

You've yet to point out where he says he chose the doctor. He says he visited a doctor. Visiting the military doctors at the processing center doesn't make that statement untrue.

Do you have anything that says he chose his own doctor?

You don't know what you are talking about. A Private MD letter could get you a deferment.

Show me where it has to be a Military doctor.

I did. I posted the draft procedures. It says you have to report to the MEPS for your examination. It's literally 4 posts up on this page. Here's another source if you don't believe Wikipedia, this is sss.gov If you can provide a link to something that disputes that, I'd like to see it. Afterwards you should send it to Selective Service so they can update their page.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Donald Duck hasn't got a ****ing clue.

He' actaully a demo plant.