Teacher with Gun in Custody after Barricading self in Classroom

originally posted by: donnydeevil
a reply to: network dude

Anyone who thinks arming people in an already highly stressful job is also an idiot.

Please tell me you're kidding.

Police? Military? Private security? Private military contractors? ATM money transporters? Millions of people carrying OUTSIDE schools?

Only law abiding citizens (those who don't commit mass murder) will listen to any gun laws. Criminals will always simply ignore them, laughing at the socialists who made sure they'd face no credible resistance during their act of insanity.

Fact is, you're falsely comparing regular Americans with the criminals, the violently insane and terrorists. Not even in the same ballpark. You need to focus on more effective means at combatting violence, such as increasing the number of firearms among the population. Additionally, very harsh anti-gang laws are needed to deter the majority of murder/crime in this country.

Nowhere does that involve guns.

If laws are so effective at stemming violence, why do we still see: murder, rape, arson, robbery, felonious assault, malicious wounding, etc...? I thought passing laws magically solves problems.

Get a clue.

The reason I can't help but agree this was engineered is that I can't ever remember an incident like this happening before. It is has when was it because I must have missed it.

originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: Blaine91555

There are question about an attempted suicide but nothing official. If so, you would then have to question why he went to school.

I actually know a little bit about that. I was a licensed counselor for a while in the 80's and dealt with issues like this.

Attempted suicides or threatening suicide is far more common than actual suicide and it's usually done in a public way. It's always a cry for help. Doing that at work is a part of that and not that unusual. What triggered him may have nothing at all to do with the school or the kids. If he were going to kill himself, it probably would have played out at home. Often a relationship breaking up or family issues is the trigger. Something that makes the person hit bottom.

Like I said, I hope he gets the right help. He wanted attention and help and that's what he's getting.

Does anyone really think this guy would've been concerned if his school didn't allow guns on the property?

a reply to: JBurns

This discussion is pointless, the vast majority of teachers will not want to carry firearms, seriously has anyone even bothered to consult teachers about this ?

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: JBurns

This discussion is pointless, the vast majority of teachers will not want to carry firearms, seriously has anyone even bothered to consult teachers about this ?

Yes, they have. And school districts in at least 6 or 7 states have been doing this for years now. No one forces teachers who don't want to to carry, it's voluntary.

originally posted by: JBurns
Oh I just bet.

How convenient.

Just like the immediate calls for gun control following this last "event"

Give me a break

I wonder how much money the government spends keeping the tens of thousands of individuals involved in covering up these clearly fake stories silent.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: Blaine91555

There are question about an attempted suicide but nothing official. If so, you would then have to question why he went to school.

I actually know a little bit about that. I was licensed counselor for a while in 80's and dealt with issues like this.

Attempted suicides or threatening suicide is far more common than actual suicide and it's usually done in a public way. It's always a cry for help. Doing that at work is a part of that and not that unusual. What triggered him may have nothing at all to do with the school or the kids. If he were going to kill himself, it probably would have played out at home. Often a relationship breaking up or family issues is the trigger. Something that makes the person hit bottom.

Like I said, I hope he gets the right help. He wanted attention and help and that's what he's getting.

It's cool to get a glimpse at a person's soul through a post. I like yours.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: Blaine91555

There are question about an attempted suicide but nothing official. If so, you would then have to question why he went to school.

I actually know a little bit about that. I was licensed counselor for a while in 80's and dealt with issues like this.

Attempted suicides or threatening suicide is far more common than actual suicide and it's usually done in a public way. It's always a cry for help. Doing that at work is a part of that and not that unusual. What triggered him may have nothing at all to do with the school or the kids. If he were going to kill himself, it probably would have played out at home. Often a relationship breaking up or family issues is the trigger. Something that makes the person hit bottom.

Like I said, I hope he gets the right help. He wanted attention and help and that's what he's getting.

Too bad the authorities ignored the Florida shooter during his 40+ cries for help.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

More guns is the solution, we clearly need to arm the children to protect them from the crazy teachers. All they need to does add an extra class, target practice....

No one serious is saying that. Is it on some memo somewhere that I missed?

I sat and watched the meeting today between Trump and the Congressional leaders. They brought up some good points. Do you know what they didn't bring up?

• Arming children... probably because even Congress has some sense of reality.
  
• Banning all guns.
  
• Forcing teachers to carry firearms whether they want to or not.

And yet, I keep hearing these sarcastic remarks, not just from you, but from several posters. You have taken a proposal which might have some merit (allowing teachers with a CCW who want to carry in school for protection to do so after taking a safety course) and tried to turn it into little old Mrs Jones hobbling down the hall with her cane and an Uzi strapped across her 80-year-old back complaining because she's being forced to carry it around. Then you make another logical leap that in order to combat her snapping and going 'Rambo,' we have to issue AR-15s to the kids as they enter the school building.

Get a freakin' clue. You are so far beyond reality you lost sight of the unicorns chasing the rainbows.

It is unhelpful talk like this that makes it almost impossible to actually discuss and try to solve the problem. If you have an idea, spit it out... if it makes sense, people will listen to it. If it doesn't, it will at least let you try some critical thinking skills. Don't worry... thought doesn't wear out neurons.

incidentally, a few of the good ideas i heard were

• Raising the legal age to buy any firearm to 21 (I agree for semi-automatic weapons)
  
• A personal background check and associated license that would make it legal to purchase a gun, with other sales illegal (a little concerning, but the devil would be in the details and it has some promise)
  
• Allowing faculty members who so desire and can obtain a CCW to carry at school, on condition of taking an approved firearms safety course.
  
• Improving mental health treatment and identification.
  
• Improving FBI/police response to overt threats

TheRedneck

a reply to: face23785

Yes it is. Very sad.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Fear not hope is what they want. Hope doesn't get you votes or campaign dollars.

a reply to: liveandlearn

It is being engineered. Bingo.

When we find out who is doing it, the mob will be medieval. It WILL come to light. All of it.



Folks ganna get gaddafi'ed

originally posted by: TheRedneck


incidentally, a few of the good ideas i heard were

• Raising the legal age to buy any firearm to 21 (I agree for semi-automatic weapons)
  
• A personal background check and associated license that would make it legal to purchase a gun, with other sales illegal (a little concerning, but the devil would be in the details and it has some promise)
  
• Allowing faculty members who so desire and can obtain a CCW to carry at school, on condition of taking an approved firearms safety course.
  
• Improving mental health treatment and identification.
  
• Improving FBI/police response to overt threats

TheRedneck

I'm good with all of that. That last two are especially important IMO.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Look you have to understand the vast majority of us non Americans think this whole gun debate is really really dumb, so yes I'm a complete smart ass when it comes to this conversation, so I'm sorry if it annoys you.

There are such extremities argued that I'm simply throwing in my own ridiculous statements .

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: TheRedneck


incidentally, a few of the good ideas i heard were

• Raising the legal age to buy any firearm to 21 (I agree for semi-automatic weapons)
  
• A personal background check and associated license that would make it legal to purchase a gun, with other sales illegal (a little concerning, but the devil would be in the details and it has some promise)
  
• Allowing faculty members who so desire and can obtain a CCW to carry at school, on condition of taking an approved firearms safety course.
  
• Improving mental health treatment and identification.
  
• Improving FBI/police response to overt threats

TheRedneck

I'm good with all of that. That last two are especially important IMO.

The last two would've actually prevented the Florida shooting. You'd think everyone would be on board with that. But no, ban ARs, so he could've just done it with another gun.

Scopolamine in the hands of NSA and CIA black ops is a terrible thing. This is what all these things seem like is happening.

Remember the trouble and the abandonment of caring plus big risk that Obama and Eric Holder went to, to get the guns when they implemented "Fast and Furious" which got Americans killed, and then they denied it and LIED. They did it for one purpose; to get people supporting gun control. They got caught and still people are falling for the continuing deep state scam. It is sickening.

a reply to: TheRedneck

The major problem was not mentioned, likely because it is taboo.

Get rid of the faction of the CIA/FBI who allows many of these incidents and/or covers up the truth. How many times have we heard the FBI say they were aware of someone prior to a mass shooting and it happened anyway. How many times have we seen the FBI prosecute someone they were involved with setting up then claiming victory when there were no injuries. Was just a few years ago they admitted in court that the spying had not resulted in any arrests. Does someone have their priorities screwed up?

If we are letting these people spy on us all by God they need to prevent something. In this last case it goes all the way to the local level.

Sorry...maybe should be in rant.

I asked a friend Who is a local teacher what her thoughts were. She has only shot a weapon once (357) so she would rather beef up the schools with glass and steel doors. so, we are talking about going shooting with a 9mm and see if she changes her opinion. She is rather small and her brother only had the one weapon, so I think that may have made her a little leery. I am gonna take her out and introduce her to a subcompact 9mm and see what she thinks.

a reply to: liveandlearn

I am 100% convinced the Left are Pulling FALSE FLAGS at this point.