Democratic intelligence memo released -- live updates

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: introvert

It's a he said she said.

The redacted parts that I see all related to either naming intelligence officers, protecting some information about Page from the looks of it and not much else.

Like the other memo, this just shows us that the wire tapping was indeed legal.

~Tenth

It is just that. He said she said.

I will not believe any of them until I see the final results of the investigations/court proceedings, etc.

But I suppose the goal for some all along is to cast doubt on what will come from the investigations.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: introvert

It's a he said she said.

The redacted parts that I see all related to either naming intelligence officers, protecting some information about Page from the looks of it and not much else.

Like the other memo, this just shows us that the wire tapping was indeed legal.

~Tenth

'Legal' doesn't always mean 'proper' or 'justified.'

a reply to: neo96

It is convenient that the white house redacted the sources that counter their narrative though, don't you think?

~Tenth

a reply to: Teikiatsu

And yet Legality is all that matters...

The warrant was renewed several times, each time NEW information had to be provided to convince the judge that the surveillance was bringing in evidence.

I don't imagine a FISA court has a low threshold for evidence requirements.

~Tenth

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: neo96

It is convenient that the white house redacted the sources that counter their narrative though, don't you think?

~Tenth

I don't care what the white house did.

This has been common knowledge since Feinstein dragged Simpson out for their justification as proof of their political hackery claims.

Simpson/Fusion GPS/Orbis/Steele/Democrats.

Colluded to win an election.

a reply to: neo96

I don't care what the white house did.

You would if it was Hillary's white house doing the same thing.

Considering how much this white house just lies through their teeth though - and then lies about lying about it - I'm not surprised that they redacted anything that counters their not so cleverly crafted story.

~Tenth

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Teikiatsu

And yet Legality is all that matters...

The warrant was renewed several times, each time NEW information had to be provided to convince the judge that the surveillance was bringing in evidence.

I don't imagine a FISA court has a low threshold for evidence requirements.

~Tenth

It depends on the judge who was sought out and what their threshold for evidence is.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Had Hilary won we would not know the depths of the corruption we do now.

How can it possible sit well with anyone?

The losers of a democratic process are using our own leo against the political party that won?


That right there is Banana Republic type snip.

a reply to: neo96

One could argue that the current administration is doing the exact same thing.

The RNC bent over backwards to get Trump thrown out, only to embrace him as soon as it was clear he wasn't going to lose.

There's been plenty of corruption in that admin so far, look at all the firing/resignations etc due to wasting tax payer money, insider trading, intelligence leaks etc.

But at the end of the day, this doesn't help anything this memo, only furthers the left vs right divide. I'm still waiting for an indictment to come down that's related to russia in any way.

But I'm not holding my breath. The investigation won't show any direct collusion because Donald trump isn't somebody who does things, he is managed by people. His associates will be found to have done some awful # to get him elected, they will go to jail and Donald will get primaried in 2020 and thrown right off the ticket.

That or he quits after claiming victory. But he won't be impeached, he won't be jailed, he will serve out his full term.

~Tenth

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: neo96

It is convenient that the white house redacted the sources that counter their narrative though, don't you think?

~Tenth

I was thinking the same thing. How can they be held accountable to reveal these "sources"?

In other words, how do we know it's not utter bullchit?

This memo alleges that according to the FBI, the investigation
started on July 31, with Papadopoulas, and argues the point
that it was not Steele's "raw intelligence" that led to the FISA.


This is the major takeaway - They are pretty desperate to
keep Steele distanced from the FISA warrant, even though
there appears no evidence to support this argument.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

But at the end of the day, this doesn't help anything this memo, only furthers the left vs right divide.

That's true.

So why does'n't the left put on their big boy pants and try to win next time instead of creating so much snip because they put up a crap candidate?

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I don't imagine a FISA court has a low threshold for evidence requirements.

~Tenth

Obviously, you're not familiar with the 99 page court ruling on FISA abuses that was released to the public back in April 2017.

www.dni.gov...

a reply to: neo96

So why does'n't the left put on their big boy pants and try to win next time instead of creating so much snip because they put up a crap candidate?

Same reason anybody doesn't agree with the outcome of something and fights it.

Power, and the need to have it.

If only democrats could win elections. They are really bad at it. Although methinks 2018 is going to be a good year for the DNC.

~Tenth

originally posted by: CB328
Neither memo changes the fact that Trump's administration is full of traitors and criminals.

You could have just said filled with Republicans.



After all, the Republican dogma is each man for himself, by his own talents, by his own means.

While, the Democrat dogma is we're all in this together, sharing the talents and the wealth for the benefit of all.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I don't imagine a FISA court has a low threshold for evidence requirements.

~Tenth

Obviously, you're not familiar with the 99 page court ruling on FISA abuses that was released to the public back in April 2017.

www.dni.gov...

So what you're saying is, secret courts, operated by secret judges and lawyers, that depend on secret laws get abused?

Sounds about right.

~Tenth

Yea lets not bother with things like due process

What the hell do you think a grand jury is???

a reply to: tothetenthpower

If only democrats could win elections. They are really bad at it. Although methinks 2018 is going to be a good year for the DNC

They keep on harping on bout boomsticks it won't be.

originally posted by: CB328

Yea lets not bother with things like due process

What the hell do you think a grand jury is???

A dog and pony show where only one side gets a say.

a reply to: neo96

They do indeed need to shut up if they expect to win.

~Tenth