Looks like there might be more to the shooting in Florida than what is being reported (corruption).

a reply to: toysforadults

Basically the UN? Or...like...China? Special prosecutors within the US would most likely just be paid off by other people in the US. That's not to say other countries or the UN couldn't be paid off, but we need a group of people who are not interested in money; people who can't be bribed to turn a blind eye and let these guys off with a slap on the hands.

Either that, or people who really just want what's right (if that even exists at that echelon).

Or both.

a reply to: mysticrecluse

But no one is even thinking of disarming us!

Everything else being beside the point, what kind of a moron blames the NRA for a crime they had nothing to do with? It's like blaming Boeing for 9/11.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Everything else being beside the point, what kind of a moron blames the NRA for a crime they had nothing to do with? It's like blaming Boeing for 9/11.

Someone who supports an agenda that for some reason
must mean everything to someone some where. The cats out
of the bag on this one.

Arm yourselves people!

What do you expect from a county that lets teen/young adult crime slide to make the numbers look better?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
What do you expect from a county that lets teen/young adult crime slide to make the numbers look better?

It's nothing more than another casualty of the for profit system, the school needed to fudge crime statistics to keep its funding .

Either the school fudged statistics or they were shut down, surely there is a better way.

Ive been throwing those officers who stayed outside under the bus, but I'm starting to suspect they were ordered by this sheriff to stand down. Maybe that's why one resigned. I saw one of this sheriff underlings on TV and he outright said he did not agree with the man who is his superior and signs his checks, in his words. Also, how this sheriff acted at the CNN town hall was absolutely despicable. He was acting like he had nothing to do with it.

a reply to: mkultra11

Ive been throwing those officers who stayed outside under the bus, but I'm starting to suspect they were ordered by this sheriff to stand down.

Nah they belong under the bus if orders from anyone mean more
than kids under fire.

Source with Docs

Maybe the initial idea or maybe was presented as such to help thwart the schools-to-prison pipeline-one source. However, of course, it went astray. Ignoring this repeat warning case, to what keep funding for affluent, mostly Caucasian, grade A schools? The gentrification elite only care for themselves, now they have to answer to the more affluent of the county as well.

a reply to: Xcathdra

X great job, however this whole situation makes me ill to my stomach. We both know the rules of engagement after Columbine where first officers on site engage the active shooters, absolutely no waiting for swat, or additional back-up.

The ball was dropped on multiple levels, and something really stinks here.

Very sad day for law enforcement, and our country.

originally posted by: mkultra11
Ive been throwing those officers who stayed outside under the bus, but I'm starting to suspect they were ordered by this sheriff to stand down.

Absolutely no!

If they were ordered to stand-down which is against every law enforcement protocol since Columbine, and additionally added rules of engagement for school shooters, then the CO that gave the stand-down order needs to be charged with 1st degree murder. But first responders know the protocol, and must engage, not stand-down.

The reason I know this is because I was former law enforcement, trained officers for first responder/s engagement tactics, both single officer, and in pairs. Inside engagement tactics and outside tactics.

X and I sometimes don't agree on all law enforcement issues, but I'm with him 100% on this situation, and there needs to be heads rolling and examples made here, so it never ever happens again.

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: mkultra11
Ive been throwing those officers who stayed outside under the bus, but I'm starting to suspect they were ordered by this sheriff to stand down.

Absolutely no!

If they were ordered to stand-down which is against every law enforcement protocol since Columbine, and additionally added rules of engagement for school shooters, then the CO that gave the stand-down order needs to be charged with 1st degree murder. But first responders know the protocol, and must engage, not stand-down.

The reason I know this is because I was former law enforcement, trained officers for first responder/s engagement tactics, both single officer, and in pairs. Inside engagement tactics and outside tactics.

X and I sometimes don't agree on all law enforcement issues, but I'm with him 100% on this situation, and there needs to be heads rolling and examples made here, so it never ever happens again.

Then you are the guy I want to throw this out too. I actually disagree with you alot but believe you are sincere.
I have been hard on the Petersen guy from the beginning. A very cowardess act. But ever since the other 3 were added to the equation it never sat well with me. Why the late admission? And I read somewhere that Petersen was questioning alot about what he was seeing and reporting it upline to his superiors.
If that is true.
Was Petersen being "Serpico'd?
Why were the 3 cops not coordinating with Petersen? I want to see video and where the cops were in relation to each other and the activity in the school

a reply to: mkultra11

I agree with you.

And i think he was in on it with the FBI. The incompetence of not following up on 2 reports in any way is beyond negligent.

Some folks need prison time for what seems to be a pretty purposeful act.

originally posted by: bulwarkz
Why the late admission? And I read somewhere that Petersen was questioning alot about what he was seeing and reporting it upline to his superiors.
If that is true.
Was Petersen being "Serpico'd?
Why were the 3 cops not coordinating with Petersen? I want to see video and where the cops were in relation to each other and the activity in the school

Late admission?

A: Because they screwed up on a nationally accepted protocol by every law enforcement department in the country. People only need google "Rules of engagement for an active shooter" for more info.

Serpico'd?

A: Honestly I sure hope this is not the case, because personally I'm already questioning every aspect of this situation.


3 cops not co-coordinating?

A: I have absolutely no idea because with many officers, at the scene, they could have immediately done a combat sweep, in tandem, or a group.

Here is a pic of a typical sweep in a group ( although not perfect, it's acceptable ), however the two in the back are in a position of a tandem sweep. Notice the officer with his hand, on the other officers shoulder?

This position is for knowing where your partner is, at all times, ( Possible smoke ) during these situations, and was an adopted military special ops tactic, which has been proven effective for years.

They have all positions covered with this group, while they clear each area/rooms, as they push forward engaging active shooters.

drrichswier.com...

Has this been shown in this thread yet?
After reading about the systemic corruption and looking back with the Treyvon Martin event I have to believe this goes to the top in policies being enacted. This is a Rosetta Stone moment for the entire Obama regime being exposed for policies that were sinister, if not treasonous and meant to divide in order to establish their Kleptocracy and soft coup takover of our Republic.

The complete corruption at every level and across agencies just blows my mind.

There just isn't enough prison space.

Sigh, what concerns me is this system model. What I have truly realized is ANY meaningful change for the people laws etc. never come to fruition closest thing was after 911 when we all got issued money to stimulate the economy I suppose but forget about that in 2018. I can’t imagine what is going to happen 100 years from m now after WE ARE all gone the magnitude of violence that can be achieved by the same people like Cruz. 100 years from now biotechnology will make us cyborgs weaponry will be leaps and bounds from today. Sigh, people most people are narrow minded they do not look forward they look at what is in front of their nose or behind them.

If we can’t solve this problem with this system today, how are we going to fix it or prevent worst 100 years from now..

It truly is a sad sight watching these selfish politicians argue with one another everyday and continue to not SOLVE real problems.

Oh and disarming the population does not solve the problem it just makes bigger problems..

Thinking freely is something not to be afraid of. Also taking responsibility is being an adult..

a reply to: Bicent

Have you ever considered that if the politicians solved problems, there would be no need for them?

Think about it. How many times do they actually truly fix anything? And if they do create a solution, how many times does it happen without that fix creating even more problems that they suddenly need to also fix with more rules and laws?

Maybe they're the problem and not ever the solution?

And I'm not talking about one side or the other here.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I'm not following you. How exactly does a "for profit" prison system benefit from not arresting people?

The for profit system stretches far further than just government and police, the for profit system has infested education, medical everything, people being arrested only covers the police side of the system.

Ok, but even conceding all that, what does that have to do with this case where, if anything, a for-profit system should've made the local LE more likely to arrest this guy, rather than ignore him?

This makes sense, watching news they kept saying "donate to gofundme a bunch.

originally posted by: Bicent
Meh,I dont understand why. People. Are surprised, politicians are dirty and corrupt to the core. Time folks start just realizing it, night I am exhausted.

yes, but a critical mass of mainstream people don't understand how bad it is. It won't change until they do. This is why I try to wake up such folks gradually in my personal and professional life, when possible. I've had a few successes. Right now half my office is ripe for waking up because we are seeing cronyism and political patronage first hand in our work. I think that because most education courses are whitewashed, and so is the media, most people won't get it until they see it first hand.