President Trump: “We have to do something” about violent video games, movies

I agree with much of the sentiment here but overall violence in the media is a part of the problem.

The problem is also guns, and mental illness and psychotropic drugs and likely other issues.

Is not just one thing, it is a number of issues that contribute to this mass epidemic of murder in America.

Also, one can add false flags, or some deep state intelligence operations may also be a part of this.

To say its just one thing, guns, or just mental illness, or just violence in the media, is a wrong approach imo.

We also need in this country more public messages that encourage love, unity and goodwill.

Go on the highway and occasionally on the billboards, rather than just ads, why not a sign that encourages goodwill, or nationhood, or some kind of positive anti-violence message.

I’m not talking about secular religion since that can get into sectarian fighting.

The messages we get are all materialism, selfishness and violence as a remedy to solve disputes.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Entertain any solution that doesn't get semi automatic guns out of the market.
That's what they're all about.

This is funny you obviously don't know what semi auto means. Any weapon that chambers a round is semi auto. Whats funny is you still only get 1 bullet per trigger pull. I have a 12 gauge Mossberg 930sx I use for hunting duck its semi auto. Holds 9 rounds I pull the trigger it readies the next round. In fact its far more lethal then an ar15. Takes about 15seconds to load 7 rounds to get 9 is a bit tricky since you load 7 then put 2 through the chamber. Anyway I digress semi automatics ban you might as well ban everything thats not a revolver. This ban would leave 38s the most common gun used by gangs and do nothing to prevent gun violence.

And by the way we are very lucky that mass shooters don't use 12 gauges they are far more lethal and most police couldn't stop them in a shootout. A slug can go through walls easily and overpowers swats rifles.

originally posted by: Willtell
We also need in this country more public messages that encourage love, unity and goodwill.

That's a very liberal idea. Unfortunately, history shows that the US was always about division and tension, from the expansions of the late eighteenth and early nineteenth century, through slavery and Jim Crow and all the other brands of racism, through the bloody labour conflicts of the twentieth century, to the present day.

Division and competition drive industrialism and capitalism as well a their more modern incarnation - neoliberalism.

That's why Marx always thought the first Marxist revolution would take place in the States. That's why TPTB, the military industrial complex, call it what you like, will never allow it to happen.

originally posted by: Willtell
We also need in this country more public messages that encourage love, unity and goodwill.

That's a very liberal idea. Unfortunately, history shows that the US was always about division and tension, from the expansions of the late eighteenth and early nineteenth century, through slavery and Jim Crow and all the other brands of racism, through the bloody labour conflicts of the twentieth century, to the present day.

Division and competition drive industrialism and capitalism as well a their more modern incarnation - neoliberalism.

That's why Marx always thought the first Marxist revolution would take place in the States. That's why TPTB, the military industrial complex, call it what you like, will never allow it to happen.

I don't know why people take trump serious anymore. He's a fool and will probably just mimic what he hears on fox and friends. The only thing trump had going for him was that he was secretly taking down the corrupted elite. Now that none of that has come true, we are forced to believe trump is as silly as he appears.

LMFAO the title is so misleading and its fooling all of you.

What Trump actually said is "We have to do something about what kids are seeing and how they're seeing it,"

Then mentions a "RATING SYSTEM" not anything about banning video games. What are you guys jumping to conclusions about?


You guys are responding to a mis quoted title that Trump never said and jumping to conclusion that he wants a ban on them LOL.

And for those who think violence in games and media have zero impact on people then you are just being ignorant. Children are very easily influenced. They mimic what they see. If a child see someone get slapped on TV or a video game they think it is ok to do. I've witnessed it first hand with nieces and nephews mirroring what they see on TV and video games.

Should violence be banned in any type of media format? no, but the Parents really need to pay attention to what their kids are doing.


People want to say, oh but there was violence PRE VIDEO GAME ERA, well children still mimic what they see. Back in the day children mimicked what they saw their parents do, but now days TV and video games are raising the kids so they just mimic what they see there instead.

Ultimately it falls on the Parents. It's the parents fault, not the media. Simple as that.

i wouldnt take what Trump says verbally as it turning into anything necessarily. he talks a lot to pacify various interest groups. just watch what gets officially proposed.

since we are kind of talking about censorship and legislation...please check out the thread i just made:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This bill (S. 1693) is being voted on in the House on TUESDAY 2/27/18. If passed it will be the death of MANY WEBSITES and SEVERE CENSORSHIP.

Video games don't kill people. But Trump wants to do something about them, because he thinks this will save lives.

Uh... OK.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Glad you got onto this X. Florida government says Pornography is endemic and Trump says video games are suspect in causing these shootings, but access to real guns? Don't you dare mention.

S&F.

What sort of person views the world through the prism of a movie, or video game, thinking that that is the reality?

Someone with some issues that need addressing. So naturally ban the games rather than help the person... OK. That's the sort of thinking that attempts to push the real problem, which will be hard to solve, back into the closet where "good people" just don't talk about it... Gee, what other issues does that remind you of??

We have the choice between what's right, and what's easy. What's right is dealing with mental health issues in some fashion that actually works...without reducing the poor bastards into walking zombies, or homicidal maniacs, or a thrilling combination of both.

What's easy is banning stuff. Video games, movies, guns. I think a majority of us, or close to it, have at some time or another played violent video games... Why aren't there even more mass shootings, or more violence of other sorts than there is already... How many millions of guns are out there, yet a tiny, tiny number of them are used in the commission of crimes.

I'm unaware of any studies that support this notion...other than completely biased "studies" bought and paid for by interested parties.

originally posted by: jidnum
LMFAO the title is so misleading and its fooling all of you.

What Trump actually said is "We have to do something about what kids are seeing and how they're seeing it,"

Then mentions a "RATING SYSTEM" not anything about banning video games. What are you guys jumping to conclusions about?


You guys are responding to a mis quoted title that Trump never said and jumping to conclusion that he wants a ban on them LOL.

And for those who think violence in games and media have zero impact on people then you are just being ignorant. Children are very easily influenced. They mimic what they see. If a child see someone get slapped on TV or a video game they think it is ok to do. I've witnessed it first hand with nieces and nephews mirroring what they see on TV and video games.

Should violence be banned in any type of media format? no, but the Parents really need to pay attention to what their kids are doing.


People want to say, oh but there was violence PRE VIDEO GAME ERA, well children still mimic what they see. Back in the day children mimicked what they saw their parents do, but now days TV and video games are raising the kids so they just mimic what they see there instead.

Ultimately it falls on the Parents. It's the parents fault, not the media. Simple as that.

Let's not forget govt's imput in creating a generation of fragile cosseted kids with glass feelings.

Corporal punishment is now called child abuse and is illegal. Kids swear at and assault parents and teachers and the law says you have to stand there and take it. Give your badly-behaved child a well-deserved red arse nowdays and you'll find yourself in jail. It's not abuse, it's called tough-love. My mother gave me a hiding once when I was a kid. One time. It was one I never forgot. After that she only had to give me 'the look' and it was enough to make me straighten up in a New York minute.

Kids that commit crimes have no consequences when caught. Just show in court and back to crime again.

Govt has trashed the family unit and the sense of security that kids need when they're growing up. Mothers are forced to go out to work and leave their babies with strangers, and govt will offer free childcare and take your baby from you and make you go to work. There is not the slightest consideration for childrens' natural development nor for the natural mother/baby bonding. I believe it has changed the development of the younger generation and now they are young adults they think their behaviour is acceptable because it always has been. You can't expect them to just 'know' how to behave as an adult as soon as they turn 18, when all their lives thus far they have learned that everyone has to tolerate whatever they do and say.

Let mothers/a parent stay home if they want with their babies and sort their kids out in those first very important years of their lives, plenty of time for the parent to work when kids start school. I know alot of you people will start saying 'and who's going to pay for them to stay home?' and 'why should my taxes pay for this?' and 'can't afford kids don't have them' etc, etc. But that 'every man for himself' attitude has created a generation of young people with no family bonding and virtually no guidance from anyone that cares about them and how they turn out as adults.

If we want the world to be a better place for everybody we need to focus on the youngsters and their development because they'll be in charge of it all one day.

a reply to: Xcalibur254
Your country has a terrible habit of trying to relegate every single issue into some dumb one-line soundbite that oversimplifies and gets everyone nowhere. I've been all over the world and america is... something special. Not like Special K special but like... bus special

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Second thoughts: as special effects and video 3d rendering becomes more realistic, the lines between what is perceived as real and make believe will become more and more blurry. This is something to worry about when you are considering young, developing minds.

I think it depends a lot on context. I played Resident Evil as a kid and that #ed me up... and the graphics are atrocious by today's standards. A lot of older people don't realise that graphics don't make the game, some can be scary in 2D like Lone Survivor or Stasis. But that is an interesting point, what happens when hyperrealism becomes common? Some people think simulations make people want to do something less in real life... but thats the opposite!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
I would hate to see government involve itself in music and music videos. But i'd love to see the media that supports music and music videos find a way to make it artful again.

Boats and ho's just don't do it for me. I don't care about bling or getting crunk. What happened to Chuck D? Where's a message? Where is the art? Nothing artful about just throwing out verbal pornography. At least in the 70's and 80's it was artful allusions rather than crass descriptives.

But that's not true at all! 70s music was just as crass as today's. Fact is art has always had a mix of brilliance and cheap bullsh#.

And your govt is involved in movies; ever wonder why the military supports modern propaganda?

The govt really should not be focused on this at all. Perhaps just f off and stop meddling?
That said, I do think we should all be careful of the sick perverts in Hollywood and in the entertainment industry in general who push their weirdness on to society with slick advertising and megabucks.

www.sciencedaily.com...

This appears to be a very big study of the effect of violent video games on aggression.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Stupid...

All the family/socio economic issues and they want to point at this... stupid.

a reply to: Ridhya

I played Resident Evil as a kid and that #ed me up... a

Chicken?

Egg?

Chicken?

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Stupid...

All the family/socio economic issues and they want to point at this... stupid.

Well...guns and stuff.

Its not the games and movies that make a warped kid, its a thing called mental illness. As humanity grows is much less violent as time goes on. Wars in the past were much more violent with face to face chopping, hacking and bludgeoning on a massive scale. Future war is turning into button pushing without having to deal first hand with the atrocity.

When one or two kids out of millions go off, it is a major issue. If anything, violent media acts as an outlet rather than a learning tool. The politicians are making superficial claims unless its fleecing the economy to the tune of billions or trillions of dollars.

originally posted by: rickymouse
www.sciencedaily.com...

This appears to be a very big study of the effect of violent video games on aggression.

I have noticed that the video games do not even have to be violent to cause aggression. I used to play games that were not violent but even those made me really angry....I stopped playing all video games because I personally do not like being full of anger.
My next door neighbour has told me that she will not allow her child to play on his game for too long because he gets really angry...............I asked if she ever played and she said no it makes me too angry.

How many of you game players have never thrown the controller across the room?

I am not saying that video games make people go out and shoot people but the playing of video games pumps up the adrenalin and obviously causes effects upon the mind and body.