Gun Phobia

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: nwtrucker

Every building is required to meet certain specifications in order to minimize risk of fire. Every business is required to have regular inspections to make sure they are following the law. As time goes on and circumstances change these regulations are updated to make sure we are as safe as possible.

These regulations impede on my right to choose how I want my house built or how I want to run my business. Yet no one would argue that these regulations and laws are to the detriment of society nor that they an irrational reaction to a fear of fire.

I agree. Fire and building codes are local issues. States, counties and cities are obliged to conduct their regulations with Constitutional restrictions in mind. One might as well mandate weekly checks to ensure those regulations aren't being violated by home-owners and occupants, while your at it.

Asking those that do not have a fear of guns to abrogate their rights based on the fears of others is irrational. Even the safety factor of guns is questionable. I live 100 yards from the Canadian border and a major crossing. Every house in this neighborhood is armed. We are loaded up with Border Patrol agents, Custom agents, local policemen, etc..

This community is safe, by every definition imaginable!

Home invasions just north of us are common. Not so here. Therefore, you positioning safety of fire and construction rules is borderline, at best.

By the way, open carry is legal in this state. I haven't seen more that a handful people exercising that right in the years it's been legal. Apparently, the majority already feel safe.

People don’t fear planes. They fear the plane crashing and killing them.

People don’t fear guns. They fear getting shot and killed.

I don’t want to ban planes, but I want a guarantee that the pilot has been trained adequately, has lots of experience flying, and isn’t in any way mentally incapable of flying the plane. I want that pilot to have to pass multiple psychological tests every so often to prove he is mentally capable.

I don’t want to ban guns, but I want a guarantee that a gun owner has been trained adequately, has lots of experience shooting a gun, and isn’t in any way mentally incapable of carrying a gun. I want that gun owner to pass multiple psychological tests every so often to prove he is mentally capable.

Mass shootings are not nearly as rare as plane crashes, so fear of flying IS a bit of an irrational fear. Mass shooting in a public place? Not so much an irrational fear these days.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
People don’t fear planes. They fear the plane crashing and killing them.

People don’t fear guns. They fear getting shot and killed.

I don’t want to ban planes, but I want a guarantee that the pilot has been trained adequately, has lots of experience flying, and isn’t in any way mentally incapable of flying the plane. I want that pilot to have to pass multiple psychological tests every so often to prove he is mentally capable.

I don’t want to ban guns, but I want a guarantee that a gun owner has been trained adequately, has lots of experience shooting a gun, and isn’t in any way mentally incapable of carrying a gun. I want that gun owner to pass multiple psychological tests every so often to prove he is mentally capable.

Mass shootings are not nearly as rare as plane crashes, so fear of flying IS a bit of an irrational fear. Mass shooting in a public place? Not so much an irrational fear these days.

The difference is you depend on the pilot and it is a service, not a 'right'. You are FAR more likely to be killed in a car accident than in a mass shooting. Where's the demand for better training there? None. Why? You accept it as a norm, is my guess.

So as a possible perspective, you might see our views on gun violence as similar as yours are likely to be on car fatalities. Just a random thought, however.

People who do not trust others with a gun, they actually don't trust themselves, and project this onto others. That's just sad.

a reply to: nwtrucker


So we can drop the plane analogy because it is a poor one. Cool.

Ever heard of self-driving cars? They’re coming. I, for one, am very glad. I hope they are required everywhere for everyone — they will save millions of lives. We cannot trust people to drive cars, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy overall.

The biggest disorder is fear. Fear comes from doubt. Doubt comes from not knowing what is right and what is wrong. Fear also comes from being a coward which is not necessarily a phobia, so much as it is, a personal fault/issue. For hundreds and thousands of years "civilized" societies have had and held/upheld standards. The fearful, the modern day well "educated" are doing everything thay can, attacking from every angle they can, to abolish good and, what I'd call freedom with responsibility. A gun is nothing more than a machine like a chainsaw, drill, car, truck or typewriter.
Because of their ignorance and fear they go after the things they "feel" they fear the most.
They "believe" and "feel" that a "law" banning machines/tools, they have no working knowledge of, will keep them "safe".
They fail to understand that their "right" to be fearful was paid for, with the blood of the brave.
I once saw a kid freak out in a Safeway because a guy had a holstered pistol. He ran and told his mom. I heard what his mother told him. "He's just shopping son". That was good mother right there! Probably made a man out of him! But I'm sure the boy learned his phobia from "public school".

Fact is? They need fear, fear creating "need". Need, creates dependence, thus creating dependants....
The issue is not guns. It's about control. And the ability to control unquestionably.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: nwtrucker


So we can drop the plane analogy because it is a poor one. Cool.

Ever heard of self-driving cars? They’re coming. I, for one, am very glad. I hope they are required everywhere for everyone — they will save millions of lives. We cannot trust people to drive cars, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy overall.

Refer to the post previous to yours.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: nwtrucker


So we can drop the plane analogy because it is a poor one. Cool.

Ever heard of self-driving cars? They’re coming. I, for one, am very glad. I hope they are required everywhere for everyone — they will save millions of lives. We cannot trust people to drive cars, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy overall.

Refer to the post previous to yours.

I could say the same thing to someone who carries a gun for protection. Don’t trust people so you need to carry a gun? Talk about projection!

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: nwtrucker


So we can drop the plane analogy because it is a poor one. Cool.

Ever heard of self-driving cars? They’re coming. I, for one, am very glad. I hope they are required everywhere for everyone — they will save millions of lives. We cannot trust people to drive cars, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy overall.

Refer to the post previous to yours.

I could say the same thing to someone who carries a gun for protection. Don’t trust people so you need to carry a gun? Talk about projection!

Who carries a gun? Not me. Nice try, though.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: nwtrucker

Fire is also an inanimate object. Is it irrational to fear being killed by it or taking precautions to ensure that doesn't happen?

Precaution is prudence. Fear of fire? Something else again. Forcing others to put their fires out? An illness.

a reply to: MiddleInsite

And I have to laugh a little at the comment that this law could "ensnare people WHO HAVE MENTAL ISSUES but OTHERWISE WERE COMPETENT TO OWN A GUN".

Where is your degree in psychiatric medicine from?

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: nwtrucker


So we can drop the plane analogy because it is a poor one. Cool.

Ever heard of self-driving cars? They’re coming. I, for one, am very glad. I hope they are required everywhere for everyone — they will save millions of lives. We cannot trust people to drive cars, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy overall.

Refer to the post previous to yours.

I could say the same thing to someone who carries a gun for protection. Don’t trust people so you need to carry a gun? Talk about projection!

Who carries a gun? Not me. Nice try, though.

Do you own a gun for protection against bad guys? Projection!

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: nwtrucker


So we can drop the plane analogy because it is a poor one. Cool.

Ever heard of self-driving cars? They’re coming. I, for one, am very glad. I hope they are required everywhere for everyone — they will save millions of lives. We cannot trust people to drive cars, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy overall.

Refer to the post previous to yours.

I could say the same thing to someone who carries a gun for protection. Don’t trust people so you need to carry a gun? Talk about projection!

Who carries a gun? Not me. Nice try, though.

Do you own a gun for protection against bad guys? Projection!

Fine. Projection of projectiles. I like it....

originally posted by: FlyingFox
People who do not trust others with a gun, they actually don't trust themselves, and project this onto others. That's just sad.

If you have no fear of others what is your purpose for carrying a gun?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

*SMH*

Fear the person behind the tool. Not the tool.

Utterly ridiculous to fear an inanimate object.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: nwtrucker


So we can drop the plane analogy because it is a poor one. Cool.

Ever heard of self-driving cars? They’re coming. I, for one, am very glad. I hope they are required everywhere for everyone — they will save millions of lives. We cannot trust people to drive cars, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy overall.

Refer to the post previous to yours.

I could say the same thing to someone who carries a gun for protection. Don’t trust people so you need to carry a gun? Talk about projection!

Who carries a gun? Not me. Nice try, though.

Do you own a gun for protection against bad guys? Projection!

Fine. Projection of projectiles. I like it....

You just lost the debate.

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: Xcalibur254

*SMH*

Fear the person behind the tool. Not the tool.

Utterly ridiculous to fear an inanimate object.

Not when it's in the hands of a mentally deranged person in a public venue.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: nwtrucker


So we can drop the plane analogy because it is a poor one. Cool.

Ever heard of self-driving cars? They’re coming. I, for one, am very glad. I hope they are required everywhere for everyone — they will save millions of lives. We cannot trust people to drive cars, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy overall.

Refer to the post previous to yours.

I could say the same thing to someone who carries a gun for protection. Don’t trust people so you need to carry a gun? Talk about projection!

Who carries a gun? Not me. Nice try, though.

Do you own a gun for protection against bad guys? Projection!

Fine. Projection of projectiles. I like it....

You just lost the debate.

Not by my estimation. Gun Phobia is obviously real. Playing with attempts to misdirect is standard and, frankly, fun.

I enjoyed the 'chat' with you...

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: Xcalibur254

*SMH*

Fear the person behind the tool. Not the tool.

Utterly ridiculous to fear an inanimate object.

Not when it's in the hands of a mentally deranged person in a public venue.

The combination of that deranged person with the gun is NOT irrational. I would think. Taking the guns away from those who would defend themselves and others is irrational.

Proverbs 29:25

25 Trembling at* [Or “Fear of.”] men is* [Or “lays.”] a snare,

But the one trusting in Jehovah will be protected.

He is a liar! (part 1 of 2)
Religion is a Snare and a Racket