Does Mueller Indictment Mean Clinton Campaign Can Be Indicted for Chris Steele?

a reply to: introvert

There is a lot more context to that than what you are presenting. The DNC properly disclosed where the money went. I believe the law firm did not and is easily remedied with a simple filing of a few forms. 

Except they didn't disclose how they spent the money properly. They said it went to "legal services" when it went to opposition research (which is not a legal service). Instead of hiring FusionGPS legally and disclosing it, they laundered the money through third parties and then hid the paper trail through misattributing the funds in the required disclosure.
Are you suggesting that Elias lied to Clinton about where funds were going and hired FusionGPS without his client's permission or knowledge? That'll be an interesting defense. I can't wait for the ethics complaint that would be a few months late at this point. And since it involves criminality, it will supercede privilege. What a show that will be.

Wait, they haven't made an ethics complaint about Elias, and both parties repeatedly lied and denied having anything to do with Steele or FusionGPS instead of immediately "filing a few forms"? How curious.

if there was no direct manipulation of "votes" number changing, ballot changing, etc and it was just propaganda campaigns, this seems to indicate anyone can get indicted for attempting to "influence" an election anywhere...

a reply to: neo96

So im sure you can show the direct payment from either Clinton or the DNC to Chris Steele right? Because they're going to need that to make a case. Payment to a U.S. company who then subcontracts the work is not going to fly.

a reply to: XAnarchistX

The problem is.

Never Trumps entire argument is that we're stupid.

So stupid that we can be swayed by twitter bots( paid for by some nasty Russians).

Had they not interfered Clinton would have won by her bots swaying the moronic masses to vote for her.

THIS IS THEIR ARGUMENT.

Enter indictments.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You're getting free HBO this weekend?
Or was that on Netflix?

a reply to: neo96

No one ever wants to admit they've been duped.
I understand.

This is the mkultra crowd but you don't believe this Russian operation in social conditioning, something Russia is known for, could have happened here or to you...

You're still under their spell.
Release the memo....sound familiar?

a reply to: Sillyolme

No one ever wants to admit they've been duped. I understand.

Yep Never Trump sure won't.

Even when they march out Russian propaganda written out in dossiers paraded on Capitol Hill by their own lawmakers.

a reply to: neo96

Won't admit it? You're right.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Payment to a U.S. company who then subcontracts the work is not going to fly.

aka money laundering,

a crime when used for dishonest purposes.

LOL... i think you struck a nerve neo

a reply to: Sillyolme

Won't admit it? You're right.

On this score, I agree with the Hoover Institution’s Paul Gregory, who has extensively studied Russian propaganda tactics, that the Russians knew that they could not influence the outcome of the election with a few well timed tweets.But they understood that a disinformation campaign could raise the specter of collusion with either party, which would then weaken the presidency no matter which candidate won.

So far, this strategy has worked brilliantly. We now know that the Democratic National Committee, through the research firm Fusion GPS, financed the efforts of British spy Christopher Steele to dredge up dirt, contained in his famous dossier, on a supposedly deep Trump-Russia connection in the run-up to the 2016 election.

The initial FBI investigation to monitor Page went as far back as 2013. The previous applications signed either by James Comey or Deputy Director Andrew McCabe have prompted no criticism.However, to get a fourth FISA warrant, as the FBI did in October 2016 on the heels of the election, the bureau had to show with fresh information that there was probable cause to believe that Page was both acting on behalf of some foreign nation—i.e. Russia—and engaged in some form of criminal activity.

First, why did the FBI think it was necessary to include any portion of Steele’s opposition research in its affidavit? If the information from the previous investigations sufficed, why include what was clearly a flawed and biased document?

Never Trump was played like a cheap third rate violin, not by Russia, but their own party.

a reply to: neo96

I wouldn't limit it to just "Trump Supporters" they believe Jill Stein was a Russian plant and Bernie Sanders Sabotaged Clinton because of Russian funding, the same people who exploited Black Lives Matters are now saying they were paid for by Putin

it is no different than the people who say "Soro's funds everything"

people are so spooked by this idea of "democracy" and "Two Party system" that they can't conceive anyone would think outside of that or act outside of some nonsense spooky American standard "Morals"

the entire rhetoric and narrative of "Better than" got demolished when the DNC people started choosing Bernie Sanders over Clinton, it worked for Obama after bush, they assumed it would work again because the "lesser of two evils" is true liberation

a reply to: XAnarchistX

It's very much different.

Since our own law enforcement agencies spied on, and is going after a political party(Team Trump).

When the progressive party has been the instigators.

originally posted by: neo96
Steele is not an American citizen.

Team left paid him to write the dossier to influence the election.

WHERE ARE their indictments?

Team left may have paid to get the work done, but it doesn't automatically follow that the dossier is just a fabrication.

Nobody has ever been accused of "telling the truth", whether they got paid to tell, or not.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Team left may have paid to get the work done, but it doesn't automatically follow that the dossier is just a fabrication.

Is Steele an American citizen?

Nope.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: neo96
Steele is not an American citizen.

Team left paid him to write the dossier to influence the election.

WHERE ARE their indictments?

"Team Left" did not pay Steele to write the dossier.

A lawyer for the DNC and the Hillary campaign paid a US firm to conduct opposition research, who then chose to hire Steele to do the work.

Big difference and your OP is based on a huge false equivalence.

That's hilarious. Hillary's buddy was feeding information through the State Dept to pass on to Steele directly. The person in the State Dept happened to be a Clinton buddy too, oh and the source of the information passed to the first Clinton buddy, well, was another Clinton buddy.

You can try and make it sound all innocent on behalf of the Clinton campaign - just paid some money and were not involved eh?. No, that just doesn't fly given the information Grassley released.

The Clinton campaign was conspiring with a foreign agent. The big difference between her campaign and Trump's is that she knew EXACTLY what was going on.

a reply to: UKTruth

The big difference between her campaign and Trump's is that she knew EXACTLY what was going on.

Blumenthal is the longtime Clinton friend known to have peddled dirt on the Clinton family’s political opponents over the years. Shearer is another longtime Clinton insider and Blumenthal associate who has reportedly been involved in several smear campaigns against Clinton opponents.

There's a Big there,there.

a reply to: neo96

Law enforcement agencies have been spying on us anarchists since their creation

a reply to: kurthall

Hell bent on getting the truth, is not pushing the russian narrative.

If you think that Russian attacking our democratic process is ok, I don't know what to tell you.

So then what is our thought on the past administrations trying to influence every other countries elections? Every single election outside the US has our governments hands or at the least some of our citizens even if for business purposes tries to suede their election.

The thing is more evidence that the DNC attacked their or our own democratic process! At the least with Bernie and the DNC. Also previous admin actions to dig into the Trump campaign and directly speak and try to influence voters!

Hell bent on getting the truth! Problem is hell bent on getting the truth they want or are trying to make! They had the narrative before the investigation or evidence. Having a narrative and then trying to find piece that fit your narrative is not the way its suppose to work and has much injustice built in when things are done this way!

Bob Mueller is preparing to transition to part two of his investigation, to find out who could have colluded with Russia to help Hillary, while simultaneously attempting to hurt candidate Trump. The efforts did not stop after president Trump was elected.

All of the indictments thus far are relatively minor compared to the huge storm that is coming.