FBI admits it did not follow up on second tip regarding School Shooter Nikolas Cruz

a reply to: SlapMonkey

The FBI cannot be used to harass people, just in case.

Yup.

Those saying the FBI could have/should have "given him a taste of the consequences of going through" with whatever have completely lost the plot.

Yes, the FBI dropped the ball with the January tip. If they had done what they're supposed to do with tips, then it's a decent chance they would've deemed it a credible threat, sent it to the Miami field office, and they could have, potentially, put all these different pieces together.

Which, as far as pieces of the puzzle go, a parent calling the cops on their kid for being an asshole is not a piece and I don't know why it keeps getting mentioned. Even if that parent calls dozens of times, it doesn't change that the cops were called to do parenting, not for a crime.

But all these suggestions that they could have intimidated him or "given a taste of consequences" are, frankly, disturbing. Everybody wants to hate on the FBI, but then wants them to have the power to go around harassing people.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

You make very valid points but saying it 'may' not have done anything is not the same as I tried. Like I mentioned Baker Act him. If this kid was observed for 72 hours they could have learned his mother recently passed and she was probably the only person in his life at that moment that cared about him.

He is still alive. Tells me that he is not trying to kill himself but hurt others. Many times it is empty promises but we all feel horrible when it happens.

a reply to: matafuchs

Again, we're in hypotheticals now.

You hold him for 72 hours, get nothing on him or out of him, piss him off for holding him that long without cause, and he escalates his plan, either in timeline, amount of casualties, weapon(s) used, or a combo of all three.

Again, hypotheticals are a bad way to approach this. Yes, they should have investigated, but going straight at him with intimidation tactics is generally a poor way to do things when you're dealing with someone who is potentially/obviously a few slices of bread short of a full sandwich.

a reply to: matafuchs

They were to Busy Leaking Bogus Info about Trump and the Big Bad Old Russians I Guess to Notice..............Hmm.....

www.nbcnews.com...

I am not suggesting strong arm intimidation tactics. Talk to the kid. If he has made threats and the police feel he is a danger to others or himself he can be Baker Acted. You show compassion which is what he wanted because he did not kill himself. Lanza, he killed his mom and the kids and himself. A different kind of nut. This guy, based on what we know, seems to have been off meds and his adoptive mother died a few months ago. A trigger. People with a history like this will almost always have a trigger.

Case in point. The murder of Alison Parker and Adam Ward. Live TV. Guy who thought they were against him shot them both. He shot himself. He did not need compassion he was just filled with hate. A trigger that pushed him over.

It is about trying to be more proactive. #, the FBI did not even forward the complaint. His second.

a reply to: matafuchs

Sounds like the F.B.I. will be Getting Yet Another Bureau Chief in the Not to Distant Future..........

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Half the people here sound like perfect candidates to be harassed by the fbi... going by what some claim to be justified in this thread.


"The dude owns a arsenal of weapons, believes in aliens and is prone to unleashing irrational hate speech against liberals... he's obviously on the verge and needs to be investigated"... Right?



How much personal freedom and right not to be unfairly harassed are people willing to sacrifice? In order to allow the authorities to aggressively investigate everyone rumoured to be NQR!?!

Do you REALLY think the FBI did nothing wrong in this case????

Just another trump appointed flunky doing what flunkies do. Just wait until his other failures have time to marinate. To quote a great band.... you ain’t seen nothin yet. Mark these words. This is just the beginning. tRump will go down as the most incompetent president in the history of this country. And the basket of deplorables will be holding hs hand all the way to the bottom. a reply to: matafuchs

Obama's FBI picked Mateen up for questioning many times with cause of reasonable suspicion . Some articles I have read were inclined to the idea that the FBI was "compelled" to release him every time.
Who has the power in the US to tell the FBI to "stand down" from an ongoing investigation ? Are some of these folks still around ?
Ask yourself who , and you may come to a self-realization as to why...

For those on here defending inaction by the FBI by saying "what could they have done?", please remember they have 35,000 employees on the books.

They have a budget in excess of $8 BILLION.

If you think nothing can be done, try this: have someone call the FBI on you. Have them tell the FBI you have a gun, have mental problems, made threats, etc. Instead of a school, say you want to shoot up your state house or Senators office.

Tell me what happens. Think there might be a difference in response? You will find out quick the FBI can do something. What does that tell you? Don't you think those kids parents might be thinking the same thing?

$8 Billion dollars and they can't be bothered to follow up on a specific threat. Please.

it gets worse. Seems this kid was also investigated about cutting himself on Snapchat.

www.sun-sentinel.com...

DCF and Sheriffs talked to him.

The DCF investigation came four days after Cruz’s 18th birthday, meaning he could legally purchase a rifle. “Mr. Cruz has fresh cuts on both his arms. Mr. Cruz stated he plans to go out and buy a gun. It is unknown what he is buying the gun for,” the DCF report reads.

HE TOLD THEM HE WAS BUYING A GUN!!!!

The charge would be making terrorist threats...once in custody the firearms could be confiscated and held...a mental health order also should have been applied for and obtained from a judge in order to involuntarily admit to a criminal psych facility...FBI shares most the blame for this occurrence..charges and specifications should be prepared against supervisors and field agents that were involved in the local Florida office with terminations as the end goal....examples must be made....all of these folks demanding that something has to be done should look no further..

a reply to: matafuchs


February 23, 2018

More info on the January 5, 2018 TIP. The FBI was explicitly told that Nikolas Cruz would "shoot up a school".

SOURCE: www.zerohedge.com...

But as we know, the FBI is, according to President Trump, "in tatters".