Mueller Indictments for 13 Russian Nationals in US Election Meddling

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Wayfarer

Oh I see what you're getting at.

I meant more in the vein of the fact that its conclusive that Russian election meddling occurring, versus the talking point for the last year being, "Libs have no proof Russia did anything!"

Now that Mueller has shown he's got the proof, the question that (I imagine) is percolating in other players heads right now is, 'what else does Mueller know that he's not letting on', and 'perhaps I'm not as anonymous/safe in whatever potential malfeasance I may have been a part of'.

In my mind it's inconclusive. I'm not sure how posting on social media in favor of this or that candidate is considered meddling in an election, even if that was their intent. If that is the case then I am also guilty of meddling in the US election.

You will not be the only one here that would be "guilty of meddling in the US election".

This entire event by my government is a joke.
Anyone who believes ANYTHING on social media deserves exactly what they get.

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Russian narrative is crumbling fast. DHS Statement On NBC News Coverage Of Election Hacking Oh this sucks.

Release Date:
February 12, 2018

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

WASHINGTON - Today, Jeanette Manfra, National Protection and Programs Directorate (NPPD) Assistant Secretary for the Office of Cybersecurity and Communications, released the following statement regarding the recent NBC news coverage on the Department of Homeland Security’s efforts to combat election hacking.

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I feel the storm coming.

So these Russian agents started this in 2014, how much of their efforts were used to place trump on the republican ballot for president?


Why did Putin work so hard to get trump elected?

K~

a reply to: Wayfarer

..."Too stupid for Treason"....

yet still able to beat her
that really makes her pathetic, does it not?

originally posted by: trb71
They mentioned that Trump's team members unwittingly talked to them likely to show the scope that they could have had influence on some people, and it would appear this was the most successful one. This specific indictment is one of those things that I dont even think should be a political fight. His team exposed a foreign agency that worked to mess with the American system. He didnt call out Trump or Clinton or anyone as being guilty or complicit with them.

(Also im aware of what we do and that other countries may have also tried similar things and not giving a pass o that either)

Though this is not all that Mueller has, this is just one round of indictments out of possibly many, and likely somewhere around the bottom of the barrel of what he has. They may start coming out at an increased speed now as they are possibly starting to go through the grand jury now.

I think that the "participation" of unwitting Americans will equate to a like or share of something on social media.

a reply to: RickyD
i think they just wanted to sow political discourse in the USA.
they supported Bernie in the primaries and trump and were anti Hillary.

It no secret what the Russians want: they want to destroy our faith in our elections, and by extension in our government.

Their plan worked brilliantly, and thanks to never-Trump fools it continues to do so. They think they're standing up to Putin, but they're playing right into his hands.

A handful of Facebook ads had no effect on the outcome of the election. Hillary was just too painfully unlikeable to win.

a reply to: Wayfarer

And here after a year of Never Trump making him out to be some kind of Moriarity.

a reply to: aethertek

Idk ask Hillary why trump was the candidate she worked to have as an opponent. Maybe she had a deal with the Russians?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Is that in your expert opinion? The fact that the Russians did it implies that at the very least, *they* believed it would have an effect.

You're also focusing on social media posting specifically while ignoring other of their activities. Which begs the question, you're commenting very matter of factly but have you read the indictment?

The "russians". The only evidence I have seen of Russian state involvement is in the authoring of the Steele dossier. These indictments list LLCs. Admittedly I may have missed the connections somewhere.

I've read it start to finish.

That paragraph doesn't even mention bots/or trolls farms. Are buying ads, paying real-life American influencers (both tried and true marketing strategies), organizing rallies and coordinating other political activities "posting nonsense on social media?"

Yes, it does. Turn off social media and what's left?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It's pretty much nothing. The worst thing they have allegedly done is stole identities in order to open Paypal accounts. Apparently some employees took a trip through the US in 2014. In terms of election meddling, they bought some ads and posted on social media. It is probably the least effective propaganda campaign in human history.

This is what all the big fuss is about?

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States. Three defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants were charged with aggravated identity theft.'

Some master of disinformation you are....
Next thing you'll be saying is that they only broke into a gum ball machine....and don't forget, this investigation is about Russian interference and collusion.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Wayfarer

..."Too stupid for Treason"....

yet still able to beat her
that really makes her pathetic, does it not?

Oh, for sure, though I wouldn't hold my breath on that fact helping Trump defend himself against Mueller...

originally posted by: aethertek
So these Russian agents started this in 2014, how much of their efforts were used to place trump on the republican ballot for president?

Why did Putin work so hard to get trump elected?

K~

From the sounds of it, they thought it would be easier to use Trump as a political lightning rod to divide the country. Hence, why they were organizing rallies after the election both for and against Trump.

One thing is perfectly clear.

Never Trump sure lost the Russian-American vote after all this snip.

They do exist.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Wayfarer

Oh I see what you're getting at.

I meant more in the vein of the fact that its conclusive that Russian election meddling occurring, versus the talking point for the last year being, "Libs have no proof Russia did anything!"

Now that Mueller has shown he's got the proof, the question that (I imagine) is percolating in other players heads right now is, 'what else does Mueller know that he's not letting on', and 'perhaps I'm not as anonymous/safe in whatever potential malfeasance I may have been a part of'.

In my mind it's inconclusive. I'm not sure how posting on social media in favor of this or that candidate is considered meddling in an election, even if that was their intent. If that is the case then I am also guilty of meddling in the US election.

You will not be the only one here that would be "guilty of meddling in the US election".

This entire event by my government is a joke.
Anyone who believes ANYTHING on social media deserves exactly what they get.

They will be coming for us next.

The Right: Soro's is behind everything

The Left: Russia is behind everything

The Left: Black Lives Matter!!!!!

The Right: All lives matter!!!!

(now) The Left: Black Lives Matter was a Russian controlled opposition to hijack our Queen

The Right: Black lives matter is a Soro's controlled opposition by the Dep State to take over the state and create white genocide

The Left: Putin Troll!!!

The Right: Commie, socialist, liberal troll!!!


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you all deserve each other...

a reply to: smurfy

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States. Three defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants were charged with aggravated identity theft.'

Some master of disinformation you are....
Next thing you'll be saying is that they only broke into a gum ball machine....and don't forget, this investigation is about Russian interference and collusion.

Yes, for doing the things I mentioned. How much more daft can you get?

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Putins won they are going to tear each other apart.
Unless you all come to your senses and find common ground or at least compromise.

a reply to: smurfy

So nothing worse that 80% of the illegal immigrants that dems want have done.

a reply to: Wayfarer

After this reveal by muller, why would trump even speak with him?