I Can't Take The Big Bang Seriously

I'll say this,stars take hydrogen and compress it/heat it and pretty much all other elements come from stars when they go supernova. I'm okay with that, therefore I can almost believe everything from pretty much nothing....HOWEVER, I'm with yoy, I don't know if I buy the big bang theory. We don't KNOW it's a fact, and I just can't buy into it.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Gothmog
This is the first thread I have really enjoyed in a while

you should check out more of the site then. lots more where this came from, many of them even more enthralling and informative.

I know. I have been lurkin on this site since just about day 1 . I had an account back in 2004(?) but because of circumstances beyond my control I had to abandon.
I even remember the advent of 911 and the Face on Mars here . And Phage just starting out...
But , yes. Probably at least read em if not posted...

Still does not detract from my enjoyment of this one.

Weird. This thread definitely isn't the most original or informative. Really it's just a rehash. You've been around long enough to see dozens of threads just like this and you are still entertained.

What I don't understand is why we take people who can't take the big Bang Theory seriously, seriously. Clearly no one here who has criticized the theory has done actual homework on the subject, which means they have no understanding of the methods and tools and tests and mathematics and recorded data that has gone into the formulation of BBT. You are clever enough to not take it seriously, but not clever enough to actually disprove it and present a superior model with accompanying techniques and test results? Any research at all? Or you just like making fun of science? Okay then.

I don't understand exactly how my car works but I still get in it and drive it every day.

To be honest, the big bang theory is much easier to understand compared to how women take their bra off without undoing their top. That is witchcraft. Been watching the Mrs doing it for years and it still wrecks my head?

Sorry, drunken ramblings

a reply to: expatwhite

the car thing is a pretty fair way of explaining things. most people don't really get the finer workings of gravity or nuclear physics but clearly they are quite functional whether we believe or not.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Well to be fair science is still quite fuzzy on the fine working of gravity No one questions that more than once

a reply to: TzarChasm

So, if someone doesn't completely understand the convoluted theories, they shouldn't be able to form an opinion on it and they should never be taken seriously?

Do you see the dangers in that road at all?

Maybe we should look at a few examples:

Vaccines are good for you, because our government says so. There are also a multitude of professionals out there that fully agree there is nothing wrong with injecting mercury straight into the body. You disagree? All you have is a hunch? Sacrilege.

Pharmaceuticals are good for you. Our government says so and fully allows the sale and regulation of these substances. Even fully certified doctors agree. If you disagree, you are just being ignorant.

There have been plenty of people that have questioned main stream science with arguments that are far beyond my understanding but the reactions to these alt theories are interesting. Instead of being debated, they just shut down these alt theories. They call these people crazy, label them and then dismiss them. Convenient.

Didn't Hubble state 2 possibilities for the redshift? We only hear one of them and the alternate theory has been completely buried. Same with Newton, didn't he suspect that gravity is electrical in nature but was convinced to go with this mass theory with the prior almost scrubbed from history?

Once again human nature wins out in the end. When so much of your time is spent in left brain thinking and devoted to endless amounts of time memorizing and regurgitating statics, a new theory that challenges all of that effort will be held to the upmost level of hostility.

I have encountered comments that our current physics and mathematics are almost completely theoretical. The majority can't even be expressed or compared to reality. The symbols used in these equations can never be real or tied to anything in reality. Just like our view of the cosmos. We have to constantly create new non-observable theories to explain mainstream ideas. Like, quarks, blackholes, the big bang and many many other things. Just like math, when you divorce it from reality, the sky is the limit.

With our modern understanding of physics and the cosmos, it is no wonder we are constantly confused.

a reply to: strangechristian777

Yeah, me either.

Here it is... 'First there's nothing...then it exploded'...

LOL! What a load a monkey nuts.

a reply to: ClovenSky

You enjoy selling part of the story.

Vaccines are beneficial to you, because they protect from diseases which are not benificial to you. Had small pox? Heard of any recently? How about polio, had a good dose of that this year? On top of this, herd immunity is good for the community. Because some can't be vaccinated, for various reasons. Anti-Vaxers caused my grandmothers death. issues

Pharmaceuticals when correctly used, for the reason they were designed, are again beneficial. You don't have to take them. You can live with what they treat for.

You are selling partial stories, filtered through your own dogma.

a reply to: strangechristian777

So because a few phrases are common between the two that makes everything about them equal?

No

a reply to: silo13



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Language warning.

a reply to: Dr X

Me: where did that expansion come from?

They: from a leaking blackhole in some other universe

Me: who made that leak?

They: something that wanted to escape the other universe, we still haven't caught him because he escaped us again!

The problem may be trying to imagine the big bang from an outside frame of reference.

You should not allow yourself to think outside of that infinitesimal speck and go no further back in time. The instant of the big bang is a brick wall, there is no "before" because time didn't exist.

a reply to: strangechristian777

In an artificial Intelligence simulation - the programmer would develop a set of rules for the AI program.

What if the Big Bang Theory and God are both just “artificial constructs” built into the program architecture?

The eternal is a given. The question is, what is it? Are we simply the animated inanimate? Or are we created in the image of the eternal Himself? There is way too much structure in this universe for me to believe that the entire thing is some kind of grande perpetual accident. From the subatomic to the chemistry of molecules, not even considering the existence of living cells (and massive colonies of them for higher life)...that's a whole lot of perfectly lined up accidents to choke down.
We must remember, we view this from a materialistic viewpoint, and if this is a created world, God obviously wishes to remain hidden now, so we won't find Him here without faith. I will put my faith in God and not in accidents.

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: strangechristian777

Yeah, me either.

Here it is... 'First there's nothing...then it exploded'...

LOL! What a load a monkey nuts.

Again, that's not what the Big Bang Theory says. The Big Bang Theory does not say 'First there's nothing...then it exploded'.

That's a misrepresentation of the theory.

What the Big Bang Theory says is that there was a hyper-dense area of energy (although it really can't even be described as energy using the physical laws of our universe, because those laws did not apply/exist), and that hyper-dense energy expanded and cooled into what is our universe, with our universe's physical laws.

That expansion is what the Big bang describes. It does not describe where that original hyper-dense area came from, although there are physicists who are trying to figure that out.

a reply to: strangechristian777

Me: Where did the material for the big bang come from?

Them: It just always existed.

NO! Physicists never try to answer that question because they know they can't and so they don't try. I defy you to find a video of any respected physicist actually saying this.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: strangechristian777
Them: Where did God come from?

Me: He always existed.

Them: That's impossible. God had to come from somewhere. Nothing can always exist.

Me: Where did the material for the big bang come from?

Them: It just always existed.



Mind blowing how people can be so oblivious to what they actually believe.

This is a strawman argument. The Big Bang theory doesn't say that the material that encompassed the Big Bang always existed. It says it doesn't know what occurred before the Big Bang or the state of the material of which the universe came from. You substituting ANY other answer is a lie.

Scientists have guesses, some educated, some are shots in the dark as to what happened before the Big Bang, but there is literally no scientific proof to point to and say, "This is how things worked pre-BB".

The BBT theory is pointless and invalid...why are they interested in what MAY have happened without the rest of the story.

Sounds like an ant trying to explain how a car is made...and proclaiming that any of its postulations are even remotely true.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: ClovenSky

You enjoy selling part of the story.

Vaccines are beneficial to you, because they protect from diseases which are not benificial to you. Had small pox? Heard of any recently? How about polio, had a good dose of that this year? On top of this, herd immunity is good for the community. Because some can't be vaccinated, for various reasons. Anti-Vaxers caused my grandmothers death. issues

Pharmaceuticals when correctly used, for the reason they were designed, are again beneficial. You don't have to take them. You can live with what they treat for.

You are selling partial stories, filtered through your own dogma.

As are you...many vaccinations cause untold damage....and the evidence is buried...meanwhile you believe in herd immunity......

All theories that in practice are imperfect and should be scrutinized much more...but people are lazy and corrupt......

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: strangechristian777

Yeah, me either.

Here it is... 'First there's nothing...then it exploded'...

LOL! What a load a monkey nuts.

Yeah, of course that sounds like monkey nuts, because you never have studied or researched any of it. This is a straw man. The big bang was an expansion, not an explosion.