The Historical Passion of Christ - What Really Happened

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: AlienVessel

so would you agree that Jesus and God are one in the same?

Thank you asking such a good question.

I believe making the Christ God was one of the tactics the satanic elite planned to cause the world to sin, and remove them further away from salvation, because according to the Dead Sea scrolls, God is first about Truth even greater than Love, then Love is second in importance but Truth is even more important.

If you look into the poetic type words of Christ, it is related that even Him, is nothing but mere dust compared to God. The human is nothing but a mold of clay compared to the wonderous Creator of the Universe. The way Christ spoke of himself was the opposite of elevating his status to God. For a Christian to think that Christ on earth was God, shows that they have very little understanding of the teachings of Christ, which teach us to become Selfless Servants void of Pride, which means that we do not lift ourselves up, and the more that we do not lift ourselves up on our own accord, God will lift up ourselves. But to pray to Christ now, which is after His Ascension, we know that Christ is the Master and is seated at the Right Hand of God, which means that Christ teaches us to be the children of God that we are, but Christ was God's special son that had a destiny to be seated directly with God. So basically the whole concept of Christ being God is a teaching that can be manipulated by those who are not acquired to the doctrine, as surely it has been manipulated.

Whether Christ is directly with God or is One with God, we are not to ever lose sight of the reality that God Created Christ, and Created you and I, as well as all the things in existence, that ever have been in existence, and that ever will be. The Nazarenes were the clay of God, mere dust that will return to the earth's surface, however the soul, that which is inside of us that is not our body nor our mind, is our Spirit, and that is God. So it's a complicated doctrine for sure.

a reply to: AlienVessel

you are good

truth is very powerful

someone should tell oprah bout false christs

she thinks some lady that changed her name to jesus is being used to tell her to run for office

i am thinking of the possibility that jesus went back in time through a temporal gate duplicating himself while remaining here and being there via mary and that it was a one way trip for the duplicated but the source is here with us. missing sentence...

the fallen are also of the variety that went back in time. hence fallen as in time

that could mean that we are in heaven right now and that soon a new heaven will emerge after the purge

buckle up

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: AlienVessel

you are good

truth is very powerful

someone should tell oprah bout false christs

she thinks some lady that changed her name to jesus is being used to tell her to run for office

i am thinking of the possibility that jesus went back in time through a temporal gate duplicating himself while remaining here and being there via mary and that it was a one way trip for the duplicated but the source is here with us. missing sentence...

the fallen are also of the variety that went back in time. hence fallen as in time

that could mean that we are in heaven right now and that soon a new heaven will emerge after the purge

buckle up

srry not a one way trip 2020

a reply to: AlienVessel

Never let them get ye spirit, vessel.

a reply to: howtonhawky

Ey mate, were all going back in time here. Its the whole getting ahead thats so awefully difficult for ye, aye?

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: howtonhawky

Ey mate, were all going back in time here. Its the whole getting ahead thats so awefully difficult for ye, aye?

no i got head i need bud

a reply to: howtonhawky

Got bud. Need head.

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: AlienVessel
the Christ would be exiled to England, and his wife Mary was to be exiled to France

England and France did not exist.

The Roman Britannia did. Sort of. As in Beryit'tanya? Jesus was the new Cæsar for Frig's sake. The No 7 Davidson for crying out loud . . Poker 1+2 Major Sevens . . ISVSCÆSR . , .

originally posted by: AlienVessel
... but the real sin is on the people who hid the truth and lied in the bible, so the person believing it is going to be in a small state of shock when they learn that the world was been controlled by satanist especially in religions.

And yet it's the bible that exposes and warns humans for false religion and "the teachings of demons" (1 Timothy 4:1). Including detailed descriptions of signs and patterns of behaviour to help recognize who is being honest and truthful, who have been misled and who are misleading others.

Do Not Deceive Yourself With False Reasoning

James 1:22

22 However, become doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning.

Guard Against Being Deceived

Could It Happen to You?

Your cherished religious beliefs may have existed for centuries, perhaps having been passed down from generation to generation. That, however, does not necessarily mean that they are true. Why not? Well, the Bible record shows that soon after the death of Christ’s apostles, deceitful men arose in the Christian congregation and taught “twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.” (Acts 20:29, 30) They very skillfully misled people “with persuasive arguments” as well as “through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men.”​—Colossians 2:4, 8.

Are things any different today? Not really, for the apostle Paul warned that things would get worse in “the last days,” the time in which we are now living. “Wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse,” he wrote, “misleading and being misled [or, “deluding others and deluding themselves,” Phillips].”​—2 Timothy 3:1, 13.

It is therefore the course of wisdom to take seriously the warning given by the apostle Paul: “Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.” (1 Corinthians 10:12) Paul, of course, was speaking about one’s standing before God. In fact, to think that Satan could never deceive you is, in itself, a great delusion. Absolutely no one is immune to Satan’s “crafty acts.” (Ephesians 6:11, footnote) That is why the apostle expressed his fear regarding his fellow Christians that “somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, [their] minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.”​—2 Corinthians 11:3.

And another warning you seem to have ignored if I got the right impression reading your description of your studies (also connected to what's mentioned in my signature and the text under my name). Eccl.12:12:

12 As for anything besides these, my son, be warned: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.

E·piʹgno·sis, a strengthened form of gnoʹsis (e·piʹ, meaning “additional”), can often be seen from the context to mean “exact, accurate, or full knowledge.” Thus Paul wrote about some who were learning (taking in knowledge) “yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge [“a real knowledge,” TC; “a personal knowledge,” Ro; “clear, full knowledge,” Da ftn] of truth.” (2Ti 3:6, 7)

Source: Knowledge: Insight, Volume 2

2 Timothy 3:1-7, 13-17

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 6 From among these arise men who slyly work their way into households and captivate weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, 7 always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
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But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled.

14 You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe, knowing from whom you learned them 15 and that from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight,* [Or “correcting.”] for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

Thirty Identifying Marks of False Christian Religions (more than 30 bible quotations)

Context:

Psychology: The Art of selling nonsense/contradictions part 1

a reply to: whereislogic

I don't ever underestimate how intelligent the ancients were. This world was created by incredibly learned elders, extremely knowledgeable evil men.

The bible was not written by the liars. It was woven by them. They started with a sacred blueprint. The same goes for the Nag Hammadi Library. The Hebrews existed and were the Truth, and wrote down the Truth. But it was the Greeks and Romans who stole their material, wrote over it with lies, and wove a web between in in order to create a magnificent falsification that was wise enough to fool hardcore religious academics and educators. That is why you posted to me saying that is are some wise and sacred things written in the bible - yes, that is correct guy! Some of the scrolls were confiscated by US federal intelligence agencies and never to be seen again.

There is just so much evidence now - because the high ranking catholics keep worshipping satan right in front of everyone's eyes - so the evidence just keeps on continuing. I just feel so sorry for people who believe in the bible. They believe in the seed of the serpent and are completely delusional about it - they are so stubborn that under any circumstance they will reject the truth and it is a giant shame. But that is not for me to get upset by, because the real reason is that it is not the devil keeping hidden everything from them - it is God because they are not worthy to receive the truth, and God is very unpleased with their constant stubbornness, so God is saving them for the day that they have to explain to God why they stubbornly chose to believe in lies and reject anyone trying to speak the truth to them. The only answer they will be able to come up with is that they believed in the bible. Then they will be in shame, and they will be in shock, as to why they were so sure that what they believed in was correct but in reality they were sinning against God the whole time and didn't know it.

The argument has not fallen off one bit - If You Believe In Everything Written In The Bible - You Will Have An Issue With God And You Will Have To Speak To God To Explain Your Actions And Resolve The Issue. Most Likely It Will Be All Too Evident That It Was Just Your Arrogance and Stubbornness Which Made You Believe In Liars Over Christ and His Apostles. At That Time You Will Be In Shock, And You Will Be in Shame - I WARNED YOU!!!!!

originally posted by: AlienVessel
The argument has not fallen off one bit - If You Believe In Everything Written In The Bible - You Will Have An Issue With God And You Will Have To Speak To God To Explain Your Actions And Resolve The Issue. Most Likely It Will Be All Too Evident That It Was Just Your Arrogance and Stubbornness Which Made You Believe In Liars Over Christ and His Apostles. At That Time You Will Be In Shock, And You Will Be in Shame - I WARNED YOU!!!!!

Good post.

a reply to: AlienVessel

Greetings AlienVessel:

Can you provide us with a link to your 'Aramaic Gospel' you mentioned? There are a number of Aramaic & Syriac translations of the four canonical (council-approved) Greek Gospels but none of these, as far as I know, mention any deal with the Greater Sannhedrin in Mar/April 36 CE to allow R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir to be taken down from the cross still alive.

It is true that the clumsy koine Greek of the 2nd canonical Gospel ('according to Mark', whoever he was) states that Yosef of Arimathea begged the 'soma' ('living body') and not the 'ptoma' ('dead corpse') from Pontius Pilate the Praefectus of Judea but that choice of verbiage may indicate either unfamiliarity with the Greek language on the part of the author (as in other places in his 'Gospel' where the Greek is very shaky) or may be a temporal reference to the actual begging of the 'body' having taken place at a moment when the victim was still breathing, i.e. earlier in the day of the execution.

It is curious that the Passion Narratives in the canonical Greek NT texts all seem (more or less) to follow 'Mark's' liturgical 3-hour pattern, e.g. ('and it was the third hour when they crucified him,' i.e. 9am; and 'now it was the sixth hour and darkness began to cover the land (of Yisro'el) i.e. noon, representing a Midrash on Amos ('I shall cause the sun to go down at noon; I shall darken the land (of Yisro'el on a clear day...'); and 'now it was the ninth hour, and ho Iesous cried out with a loud voice, Eli Eli lama sabachthani...') i.e. 3pm, where a total of a mere six hour period had elapsed for actual physical time spent on the cross; normally it takes an average of 100 hours (often much longer than even that) to kill an adult male in good health being affixed to a Roman 'crux' (crossbeam gibbet), so we at least have to consider the possibility that the man could well have been taken down from the cross while he was still alive.

Josephus mentions that of three crucified compatriots taken down from their crosses while still alive during the 1st Failed Jewish War against Rome (66-72 CE), two later died, but one actually managed to survive the ordeal following immediate administration of medical treatment.

It is also noteworthy that the Centurion's lance (Gk. 'longe', hence his nickname 'Longinus', i.e. spear-chucker) pierces what seems to be the pericardium sac ('and out flowed blood and water') and it is a medical fact that blood can only 'flow-out' of a body when the heart is actually pumping blood, which may indicate that the crucified individual referenced was not at that very moment dead yet.

The Gnostic Gospel of the Second Logos of Seth (chapter 55:9-19; and 55:31 to 56:19) found at Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945 states the following account :

'And Yeshu spa[ke saying], I was then in the mouths of the lions; but lik[e Dan]iel, I was not in the least afraid when they who had se[t their trap]s against me commenced their torture; and when it was over, it did indeed seem to them standing nearby that I was dead, but I remained quite alive throu[ghout all my trib]ulations; yea, through pu[re incomp]etence th[ey were] blind as to what was happening when they thought they were nailing-up the Ba[r En]asha ('Son of Man') and had killed him. For alth[ough they did have me arre]sted and had me flogged, and although it was indeed me whom they mocked and handed the reed-scepter, it was another man altogether who was called Shimeon whom they seized and compelled to carry the crossbeam on his o[wn shou]lders, upon whose head they pressed the thorny crown whom th[ey later cru]cified and made him drink the poison[ed spon]ge. But I hid myself amongst the Rabbim ('crowds') and mana[ged to esca]pe further danger, rejoicing in my soul that I had s[prung ev]ery trap that had been set against me as I beheld from afar, watching them [reli]shing like foolish children [the]ir emp[ty trium]ph over me, and burst out laughing at their folly.'

The deterioration of the Coptic text makes it necessary to emend it in places, but the sense its nonetheless very clear--the writer of The Second Logos of Seth was drawing upon an earlier tradition that held (like Mark's Gospel) that 'Simon of Cyrene, the father of Alexander and Rufus (whoever they were) was compelled to carry the cross'...with the further continuation of the OT 'scapegoat story-line paradigm' of the ram caught in the thicket just as Abraham did not have to sacrifice his own son but at the last minute had a nearby substitute as a handy replacement.

Interestingly by the time the 4th Gospel ('according to Yohanon' whoever he was), 'ho Iesous' is compelled to carry his own cross ('seauton', i.e. himself probably to counter stories of a last-minute chicken-exit at the Golgoltha such as we find with the 2nd Gnostic Seth text.

So, the late edition for us huh.....now dangit what really happened yep tell me...the real scoop now out and available



aw man we had it friggin wrong all that time

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
So, the late edition for us huh.....now dangit what really happened yep tell me...the real scoop now out and available



aw man we had it friggin wrong all that time

Hey GBP/JPY, I need to have that positive and humorous attitude about it. But I admit sometimes the satanic people of the world really upset me. If you can understand why somebody would want to sin and break every spiritual rule there is just to be rebellious, not to mention hiding every truth there is.

The Jews believe that if you create enough hell on earth, it will force God to bring the Messiah, and speed up the process because it is direly needed. They call it, preparing for the Messiah. But in reality, it was the Hebrew Essenes who were living in the mountain and in caves for a few hundred years up to the birth of Christ. They willed the Messiah to come to earth based on righteousness and not evil. In Truth, the Jews are really preparing for the Anti-Christ and calling him the Messiah.

These Hebrew Essenes were some of the most intelligent righteous men on earth. They prepared the Messiah to come. A cousin of John the Baptizer, he was born a Nazarene to his parents Joseph and Mary. All Hebrew accounts give this as a normal birth. It is only the pagan white man who chose to tell everyone that he was born from a virgin - because that was from their own pagan myths they had from their history.

After learning during his life, he left and departed from all worldly things to go out and teach. He created the church which was known as the catholic church of Jerusalem. He eventually had too much of a following for the satanic powers - known as the Sanhedrin. He was crucified, but since he was royalty his family negotiated with Pilot and let him down after 6 hours - given that he would be exiled. His wife Mary was exiled to France and he was exiled to England. Joseph accompanied him to England and they built a church there. Mary lived in a cave in grief for the rest of her life. Simon Peter went to the gentiles and established the religion there. The fake apostle Paul rose up against Peter and basically stile the whole religion in order to profit from it, and it was Paul who moved it to Rome and since then, all of the bishops of the Roman Catholic religion have been secretly satanic - because they know that they stole the religion from the Hebrews and infiltrated it. The leaders of the Vatican today know very well, that they are satanic and it is all a front.

a reply to:AlienVessel

The Jews do not believe that..


A) the Jews do not believe in a hell.



B) the Jews believe the prophecized messia will be signaled by “all the world INSTINCTIVELY AT BIRTH knowing of the Hebrew god and his laws”.

Which the Torah states specifically word for word.

He will then start a dynasty where the messiah’s line rule forever or somthing.


That is the opposite of the Christian end of the world. That comes from revelations, not the Torah.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I never said that Jews believe in a hell. I said that Jews believed that certain conditions could be made on earth that would push the messiah to come quicker. I just read that the other week, and I am not going to spend the time to go find it because if I do you will look for something else to argue with me about so you can try to lift your ego up, as if being right over me is like some kind of drug that you need to feel good about yourself. Instead of trying to understand where another person is coming from - you just try your hardest to find one thing you can argue with them about and try to pick a fight. It doesn't get anywhere. My will here is to learn. But your will is just to put others down and try to put your selfish ego above them. Too many little internet pricks do that.

Just ignorance, complete stupid idiot ignorance, and I will not play those immature stupid childish games with anybody.

a reply to: Sigismundus

Hey, I can see you are learned on this subject. There is no Hebrew or Aramaic documentation that provides our Yahoshua was taken down from the cross alive. I believe it exists, but you can find from other researchers than many scrolls from the era were confiscated by the CIA and locked away in the underground Vatican archives.

In the Thanksgiving hymms of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the author writes a poem about how he did nothing wrong but he was separated from his friends and exiled away to never see them again. These scrolls were most likely written in that era when you look at the evidence which means it had to be written by a prominent person - James, Christ, quite possibly.

I had to match that with the church tradition. Now mind you, and I know you must agree with me on this point - that when we are dealing with a satanic elite - in order to find the truth we must interview people and get everybody'd take on what happened rather than just read the official response. So we have two different versions of history to choose from - either the church ended up in Rome by Peter and Paul ending up there. but if you look at the historical truth of that narrative you can see that it has holes all over the place. Or you can go with the church tradition, which states that Mary Magdelene was exiled to France and Christ was exiled to England. Since I have uncovered a satanist plot to lie about our history, I tend to believe the church tradition over any official documents from the church.

So far we have only a little, but at least it is still evidence providing that Christ (and possibly his wife) were exiled away from the holy land.

Now in my research I have read that it is not uncommon for a person to be crucified and let down alive if they are a prominent figure and a deal has been made. If you look at all the passion narratives, none of them agree with each other, I think the only thing that they do agree on is that he was on the cross for 6 hours. Then we have a new character that is added to the story who holds significance - his name is Joseph of Arithmathea. Arithmathea is a Hebrew word and I forgot what it means. But the Greeks loved to added characters in their allegories with special names that give away the real meaning for the character. Now I think some of the information I got was from the Gospel of Nicodemus to provide that the deal was made. The stories of James or Joseph taking Christ and using herbs to heal him - you can see the truth because some of those procedures they did were for people who are alive. Now if you read the Acts of the Nazarenes, which is also known as the Clementine Homilies, you will see that it is made reference that Peter dies of old age. If you read the Gospel of the Holy 12 - which is the earliest gospel we have translated form Aramaic - you will see that it states Christ has a normal birth and also did not die on the cross. So from those documents we don't know exactly how Peter and Christ died - but it makes reference that they were not crucified at an early age or anything. But I will look up your research to see if I can provide some tangible information sources.

I am not to here to argue. There is still much for me to learn, but I have done countless nights of research and I have already come to my conclusions so if you want to teach me about anything that is part of any Christian church today - I already know where it came from and I don't want to hear it because it is full of falsehood that I have already proven (to myself). Even my Aramaic scriptures are still not all true - we simply do not have any scrolls or scriptures today that were not untouched and forged by Greek or Roman (white man) hands. My theories have been concluded today based on me putting small pieces of evidence together from all of these sources and since the elite have such a tight grip on our religions I believe that is the only way we can proceed. I know that the whole discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls was a nightmare to the Elite and they ran around like chickens in order to make sure Christianity was not threatened by the truth coming out. I have witnessed many of truly educated scholars come out to explain to us exactly how we all know that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls was intensely manipulated, then all of a sudden their videos disappeared from youtube.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: AlienVessel

you are good

truth is very powerful

someone should tell oprah bout false christs

she thinks some lady that changed her name to jesus is being used to tell her to run for office

i am thinking of the possibility that jesus went back in time through a temporal gate duplicating himself while remaining here and being there via mary and that it was a one way trip for the duplicated but the source is here with us. missing sentence...

the fallen are also of the variety that went back in time. hence fallen as in time

that could mean that we are in heaven right now and that soon a new heaven will emerge after the purge

buckle up

I am not sure what leads you to believe in such complex things, because I am still wrapping my mind about the simple things. Earth and heaven are not simple. They are a creation of God which is intense and complex with natural laws and natural energy all affecting life and the cosmos.

The way in which the ancients used allegory to submerge falsehood and dishonesty into their writings for the purpose of implementing it into society is not simple either - it was very very complex and not easy for us to catch. There is enough work on trying to decipher those acts to last a long time before taking the next step to understand even more complexity.

The way that time relates to reality and the universe - I am ignorant about. But I refuse to believe that heaven is right now on earth.
Now if you are speaking of a Nirvana, when we would give up all physical and worldly things in order to achieve the greatest spiritual state in our body and our mind, now that can cause a gleam of light, a reflection of God that is a glimpse of the true reality of life, that earth is a prism through our body and the reflection of light is like a reflection of heaven in our soul.
But in scripture it has been said that earth, and our physical struggle on the planet, is more like hell than it is heaven. This physical atmosphere and ether in the reality of physicality, somehow allows the demons and the devil to have equal reign as God does. This natural and physical state of reality allows demons to have a playing field allowing demonic activity to manifest and deceive and infiltrate. This nature of duality here on earth, is what allows hell to be here.

Guys, sorry I am not on here often. I know, the energy dies down. It's like if you meet an awesome girl and get her phone number, but you were too busy to call her back the next day so you wait two days and call her back, but by this time the feelings of romance and interest have peaked and just because you were one day late, she doesn't want you anymore.

originally posted by: AlienVessel

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: AlienVessel

you are good

truth is very powerful

someone should tell oprah bout false christs

she thinks some lady that changed her name to jesus is being used to tell her to run for office

i am thinking of the possibility that jesus went back in time through a temporal gate duplicating himself while remaining here and being there via mary and that it was a one way trip for the duplicated but the source is here with us. missing sentence...

the fallen are also of the variety that went back in time. hence fallen as in time

that could mean that we are in heaven right now and that soon a new heaven will emerge after the purge

buckle up

I am not sure what leads you to believe in such complex things, because I am still wrapping my mind about the simple things. Earth and heaven are not simple. They are a creation of God which is intense and complex with natural laws and natural energy all affecting life and the cosmos.

The way in which the ancients used allegory to submerge falsehood and dishonesty into their writings for the purpose of implementing it into society is not simple either - it was very very complex and not easy for us to catch. There is enough work on trying to decipher those acts to last a long time before taking the next step to understand even more complexity.

The way that time relates to reality and the universe - I am ignorant about. But I refuse to believe that heaven is right now on earth.
Now if you are speaking of a Nirvana, when we would give up all physical and worldly things in order to achieve the greatest spiritual state in our body and our mind, now that can cause a gleam of light, a reflection of God that is a glimpse of the true reality of life, that earth is a prism through our body and the reflection of light is like a reflection of heaven in our soul.
But in scripture it has been said that earth, and our physical struggle on the planet, is more like hell than it is heaven. This physical atmosphere and ether in the reality of physicality, somehow allows the demons and the devil to have equal reign as God does. This natural and physical state of reality allows demons to have a playing field allowing demonic activity to manifest and deceive and infiltrate. This nature of duality here on earth, is what allows hell to be here.

You do not have to believe it.

Heaven is the future.

As far as time goes it has been sAID many times over that outside our perception it is all happening at once.

It is true that some people are living in hell on earth right now.