Julian Assange arrest warrant upheld by court

a reply to: paraphi


Drivel is it? Right because nobody ever was convicted in court and sentenced to prison for a crime they didn’t commit... Think of the Birmingham six, or the many political prisoners there have been. Justice I’m afraid isn’t always fairly carried out...

In fact I think the whole system needs an overhaul where you get people being given longer prison sentences for theft than for murder. The American system is even worse!!

The extradition to the US is largely irrelevant anyway if looking at a possible prison sentence in Sweden for a crime you didn’t commit and your name smeared for life.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

why the fook didnt the "evil USA " just request direct extraditin fromm the UK to the USA ????

At the pub early doors are you? Well to answer your question I’m not sure where the idea he was going to be extracted to the US came from exactly. Though the US definitely wanted him for exposing top secrets, a bit like with that Gary Mckinock ( I forget his last name) the one with autism, the hacker who reckoned he found UFO files. Luckily the US didn’t get him, but should they have he would have been imprisoned in the US for a good twenty years or so.

Perhaps the US didn’t have anything substantive enough legally to extract Assange( such as he didn’t personally acquire the info he just published it as other news outlets did) so they had him set up instead.

a reply to: surfer_soul

I was not aware you were with Assange when this sexual assault occurred. Have you identified to the Swedish authorities to let them know what you saw?

a reply to: surfer_soul

The extradition to the US was a lie told by Assange and his lawyers when they fought extradition to Sweden. The points I raised in my post a page back is what he used.

He tried to play European anti american sentiment to his advantage by make a selectively false argument, invoking key points that the EU legal system takes exception to when it comes to the US judicial system.

First was his claim he would face rendition to the US.
Then he claimed he would face the death penalty.
Third he said he would be charged with treason, which carries a death penalty in certain circumstances.

His argument and reasons were a lie and nothing more. The claims were started by Assange and his legal team and no one else.

As for your last claim about the info I would respectfully suggest you not make a legal argument based on your ignorance of US federal law. Manning was provided with a program to encrypt the info in question that also allowed the info the evade sensors in place for military emails to and from a conflict zone. Secondly its illegal to be in possession of classified info when you dont have a security clearance / need to know.

a reply to: Xcathdra

It’s an accusation not an assault. One that seems mostly pushed by the authorities too going off the text messages. Or do you somehow know otherwise?

You still haven’t answered if you believe Snowden should face court in the US yet?
Wasn’t what he did illegal by US law? I want to know where people stand on these issues and why.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Yeah and his cowardice of not facing up to things like a man should has cost the British tax payer millions.
He should goto court accept the telling off (that's all he will get from the UK) and piss off.
I used to like him but he is as dodgy as the rest of them.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Jay-morris

Yeah and his cowardice of not facing up to things like a man should has cost the British tax payer millions.
He should goto court accept the telling off (that's all he will get from the UK) and piss off.
I used to like him but he is as dodgy as the rest of them.

What!!?? lol

The guy obviously got framed for rape. If haters actually bothered to read the text transcript, they would know this. So, why are the powers that be so desperate to put this false claim on him?

If that was you, you would do exactly the same thing Assange is doing, unless you were really stupid!

Easy to say cowardice and be an internet warrior while behind your mob or computer screen in the comfort of your own home!

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Xcathdra

It’s an accusation not an assault. One that seems mostly pushed by the authorities too going off the text messages. Or do you somehow know otherwise?

You still haven’t answered if you believe Snowden should face court in the US yet?
Wasn’t what he did illegal by US law? I want to know where people stand on these issues and why.

Yes it is an accusation.. of an assault. Dont try and split hairs with me on the legal intricacies. The information provided by the victims was enough to meet the legal standards in Sweden to trigger an investigation and obtain a warrant for Assange. When the bulk of his argument with regards to being extradited to Sweden is the blame the US game it becomes problematic for Assange.

As for my feelings on Assange I have been very clear on my position with regards to him since the very beginning. Had he only released information that showed corruption / criminal wrong doing he would have my support. The fact he decided to release millions of classified documents showing no corruption / criminal wrong doing at all is why I think he should be charged in the US. Let him make his case in a court of law.

The very fact he dumped the documents, which in turn would have buried any evidence of corruption / illegalities by the US government, completely undermines his stated goal.

When your stated position and goal is contrary to the very actions you take you have a credibility problem. Even more the UK, US and Sweden are extending a courtesy to Assange that Assange is not extending to them - Due process and the presumption of innocence.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Have you identified to Swedish authorities to let them know what you saw when the supposed rape incident occurred. I mean since you are saying he was framed you obviously have direct material evidence.

a reply to: Jay-morris

No I wouldn't I would relish my day in court If I had done nothing wrong.
So you would then hide?.

a reply to: Xcathdra

First was his claim he would face rendition to the US. Then he claimed he would face the death penalty. Third he said he would be charged with treason, which carries a death penalty in certain circumstances. His argument and reasons were a lie and nothing more. The claims were started by Assange and his legal team and no one else.

Firstly Can you back up any of these claims with a link to anything? Secondly how do you know it wasn’t Assanges lawyers that came up with these claims as they thought they would be the most viable option? I’m sure JA like the majority of us would take the advice of our lawyers when it comes to legal matters.

I think Assange should go to Sweden, stand up in court and prove his innocence in a fair world. But the worlds not fair is it? That’s why organisations like wikileaks are vital in exposing corruption and injustice. Or do you disagree?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Jay-morris

Have you identified to Swedish authorities to let them know what you saw when the supposed rape incident occurred. I mean since you are saying he was framed you obviously have direct material evidence.

Sorry, will not work with me. Texts prove that the whole thing is a joke. You may be happy for someone to get done for rape even if innocent, just because you do not like him, but that does not work for me.

The fact Is, it could have been anything, and just as dubious (child abuse, murder etc) and you would be saying the same thing. So, in effect, your opinion is void because you want him to be guilty.

See! I just put words in your mouth!

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Jay-morris

No I wouldn't I would relish my day in court If I had done nothing wrong.
So you would then hide?.

Jesus! What part do you not understand!! This is not just a local court case! This is a guy who is hated by the mini gods you look up too, who would love to have him in their custody.

Seriously, cannot be bothered with haters who just want to hate with stupid arguments!

originally posted by: surfer_soul
Drivel is it? Right because nobody ever was convicted in court and sentenced to prison for a crime they didn’t commit...

Mistrials are thankfully rare nowadays. With a trial involving the world's press you can be sure of squeaky-cleanness, so would expect that if the allegations against Assange were made up this would be revealed.

People who blindly believe Assange is innocent by default have not learnt from history. History is littered with celebrities who have got away with rape time and time because the fans cannot believe... I have no problem with Wikileaks whatsoever, but I do have a problem with people who spend their life frustrating legal process and avoiding answering legitimate allegations. This is particularly important with things like rape where there is a victim.

So, yes. I think that blindly believing Assange is innocent is drivel. A court will decide that.

a reply to: Jay-morris

He made his own bed, I don't trust him tbh.
I wouldn't care If he left for anywhere I just sick of him costing us money.
Oh and I do not look up to none of them they are all as bad as each other but that includes self serving guys like Assange.
He was maybe at one time a decent bloke with good intentions but nah not now.
He should goto court in the UK accept his telling off and do one.
Ever asked yourself what is his real agenda?.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: surfer_soul
Drivel is it? Right because nobody ever was convicted in court and sentenced to prison for a crime they didn’t commit...

Mistrials are thankfully rare nowadays. With a trial involving the world's press you can be sure of squeaky-cleanness, so would expect that if the allegations against Assange were made up this would be revealed.

People who blindly believe Assange is innocent by default have not learnt from history. History is littered with celebrities who have got away with rape time and time because the fans cannot believe... I have no problem with Wikileaks whatsoever, but I do have a problem with people who spend their life frustrating legal process and avoiding answering legitimate allegations. This is particularly important with things like rape where there is a victim.

So, yes. I think that blindly believing Assange is innocent is drivel. A court will decide that.

Just like people blindly believe, and want him to be guilty. So, the text transcripts that pretty much prove his innocence are brushed under the carpet in favour of a justice system, not matter what country, is corrupt and wrong, and controlled by the powers that be.

You think that is right?

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Jay-morris

He made his own bed, I don't trust him tbh.
I wouldn't care If he left for anywhere I just sick of him costing us money.
Oh and I do not look up to none of them they are all as bad as each other but that includes self serving guys like Assange.
He was maybe at one time a decent bloke with good intentions but nah not now.
He should goto court in the UK accept his telling off and do one.
Ever asked yourself what is his real agenda?.

I give up!! Obviously you are completely clueless!

How about our tax money going on something better? Oh yes, like keeping jimmy saville out of prison to be a pimp to the powers that are supposed to be protecting you and your family!

Well done! Stay conditioned! It's your life!

a reply to: Jay-morris

Thankfully trial by internet blog and chat is not in my future. If Assange ever got to trial in Sweden all the evidence would be exposed, both in his defence and in the prosecution.

I don't give a toss about people who "want him to be guilty" of rape, nor (as I've said) do I care for people who blindly think he's innocent. What I care about is the fact Assange has managed to avoid (so far) answering the allegations of rape, which for most people especially women is a big deal. The recent Court Ruling in England was him trying to get out of arrest for his crime of skipping bail because, but the judge dismissed that request.

I actually think that the judiciary of the UK and Sweden are not corrupt. In the case of the UK you can access all the court documents around Assange. He has been through sooooooo much effort so far to avoid extradition to Sweden, including camping out in the embassy of Ecuador.

If he's innocent then fine, but we'll never know unless he does the right thing and faces his accusers.

a reply to: paraphi

History is littered with celebrities who have got away with rape time and time because the fans cannot believe...

Hold on a minute, while I have know doubt people have used there power and influence to get away with all kinds of things including rape. I can’t except it was because their fans had anything to do with it.

I don’t blindly believe Assange is innocent either, just given the circumstances and what those text messages say, that he most likely is in fact innocent.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Q&A: Julian Assange and the law

What concerns do Mr Assange and his supporters have over the extradition?

The main concern expressed by Mr Assange and his supporters is that once extradited to Sweden, he would be in danger of being sent to the US, where he fears he could face the death penalty.

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange claims he'll be killed by CIA DRONE if he leaves embassy

WikiLeaks: Julian Assange 'faces execution or Guantánamo detention'

In a skeleton summary of their defence against attempts by the Swedish director of public prosecutions to extradite him, released today, Assange's legal team argue that there is a similar likelihood that the US would subsequently seek his extradition "and/or illegal rendition", "where there will be a real risk of him being detained at Guantánamo Bay or elsewhere".

"Indeed, if Mr Assange were rendered to the USA, without assurances that the death penalty would not be carried out, there is a real risk that he could be made subject to the death penalty. It is well known that prominent figures have implied, if not stated outright, that Mr Assange should be executed."