The World 'Leaders'

It goes without saying that President Trump garners an overwhelming amount of media time and commentary, internationally. That's not a criticism, merely an observation.

Using ATS as 'bar' for political leaders discussions, it seems that the other leaders get short shrift in coverage beyond the occasional vent from citizens of that nation.

This is understandable, in a sense, yet it leaves out interesting comparisons between these leaders and Trump.

If one starts measuring Trump against other national leaders, the differences become even more stark. Take May, Trudeau, Macron, Merkel and Turnbull. Measure them in the same light as Trump receives....and their achievements or lack thereof, and a fuller picture with even more questions arise.

Beyond Putin, Trump, Bebe and one or two others, little derogatory international ink is forthcoming. Of course, internally, that wouldn't be the case, but internationally?

At least in the U.S., the mainstream media doesn't give much ink to these other leaders. Yes, some editorials or 'third section' contributing articles, but little real coverage and certainly little to no critical coverage. (exceptions prove the rule.)

Part of this thread was motivated by the lack of any negative press on Xi. If there is negative press, it's 'China' not Xi. The 'nation', not the leader.

Semantics or something more? It seems there is almost a 'club' between most of these people. If one wants any critical, some would suggest honest assessments, one is relegated to in-country opposition groups-if allowed- or alternate news outlets.

Apparently, 'fake news' in alternate sites is now being targeted by the EU which is likely the last bastion of possible uncontrolled media.

On a personal note, when one does a 'prima facie' comparison between Trump and these others, I see the biggest difference being cultural survival being reasserted in the U.S. while the end of the cultures of, say, Canada, Australia and the U.K. being promulgated by the leadership in Europe and the Commonwealth nations.

Likely there are exceptions and the individual relationships between each other and with Trump should be explored, as well.

IMO, in this light, Trump looks even better than merely measured against U.S. alternatives. JMO, though.

I will dive into a foxhole and await the responses.....

a reply to: nwtrucker

At least in the U.S., the mainstream media doesn't give much ink to these other leaders. Yes, some editorials or 'third section' contributing articles, but little real coverage and certainly little to no critical coverage.

But you can bet they are as pumped up in their national news as Trump is here.

I'd link that coverage but I think its a different language.

Every nation has its own Hollywood, Superheroes and Celebrity.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

At least in the U.S., the mainstream media doesn't give much ink to these other leaders. Yes, some editorials or 'third section' contributing articles, but little real coverage and certainly little to no critical coverage.

But you can bet they are as pumped up in their national news as Trump is here.

I'd link that coverage but I think its a different language.

Every nation has its own Hollywood, Superheroes and Celebrity.

I'd agree with that. I'd would like to see a bit more about them, though, and there IS negative news, if accurate, about them on the 'right wing' sites.

If nothing else, it gives a broader picture than HRC vs Trump.

a reply to: nwtrucker

They probably say the same sort of stuff; vote for me, we rule the world, earn, spend, consume.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

They probably say the same sort of stuff; vote for me, we rule the world, earn, spend, consume.

I'd say the similarities would be obvious, to some extent.

It's the differences that are curious.

a reply to: nwtrucker

One piece irony is despite the frosty relationships with France, Canada, Australia even the U.K.,the U.S. military is 'tight' with all the above. Canada and the U.K. would be more expected, yet the French have ongoing cross training with each other's carriers and Australia's proximity to China keeps the Aussies very close to the U.S. military.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

They probably say the same sort of stuff; vote for me, we rule the world, earn, spend, consume.

One of the problems with that statement ? The Chinese folks dont get to vote....

a reply to: Gothmog

And the US has rigged elections via its electronic closed-source super secret voting machines. Who is worse off?

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: Gothmog

And the US has rigged elections via its electronic closed-source super secret voting machines. Who is worse off?

Gee, I guess there's lots of Americans immigrating to China, then....

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: Gothmog

And the US has rigged elections via its electronic closed-source super secret voting machines. Who is worse off?

Which elections ?
How , as you say they are "closed-source" ? (which they are)
If the voting machines are super-secret , how does the populace vote ? I am only asking because I have no problem at all finding the voting booths and voting.

The Chinese officials are elected by a Board of officials. That is common knowledge.

Canadas Trudeau is part of the global elite, his 1 hour meeting with george sorros during his first year in office scares the crap out of me.

But I expect to feel afraid for the next little while.
Some people here are catching on tho, finally, he is referred to many here now as an empty headed selfie boy.

I would take the Donald anyday over Justine.

over here the leaders actually focus on doing the job their elected to do instead of running around making a spectacle of themselves .

they also manage to actually do things that help the people rather than give them the shaft .

you can keep the clowns you call leaders .

a reply to: Gothmog

The software used on the voting machines is closed- source. I'm sure you knew that already though. Good luck with your voting!

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: Gothmog

The software used on the voting machines is closed- source. I'm sure you knew that already though. Good luck with your voting!

So , the software should fall under the GNU GPL ?
What makes you think it should ?
And , under your reasoning, should every home have a voting machine ?

World "leadership" is a clumb of corrupt, dried up # and has been for at least the last 60 years. It has particularly "shined" here in the U.S, but it hasn't been exclusive to here by any stretch of the imagination.

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
World "leadership" is a clumb of corrupt, dried up # and has been for at least the last 60 years. It has particularly "shined" here in the U.S, but it hasn't been exclusive to here by any stretch of the imagination.

Apparently, the rest of the world would ignore the fact that it's a world-wide issue and the awakening pushback.

Add in the near lock-step response by these 'world leaders' to Trump and it seems the idea that Trump just might be outside that 'club' seems too unpalatable to consider.

That's alright. We didn't expect much assistance from outside the U.S. anyways.

a reply to: Gothmog



It's oldie but a goody.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

They probably say the same sort of stuff; vote for me, we rule the world, earn, spend, consume.

One of the problems with that statement ? The Chinese folks dont get to vote....

Nether do we. At least they are honest abut how power runs things over there.

Here we play games. Every couple years, put an x in little box, and we feel better.

They scoff as do, at both systems, not of by or for the people.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: Gothmog

The software used on the voting machines is closed- source. I'm sure you knew that already though. Good luck with your voting!

So , the software should fall under the GNU GPL ?
What makes you think it should ?
And , under your reasoning, should every home have a voting machine ?

Its called the Internet, but they would never use it for that.

a reply to: Gothmog

This country is run by unelected appointees, drowning in a swamp of bureaucratic agencies.

Let me hear you cry about 'draining the swamp' in other threads.

Two faced