Singapore, the socialist utopian city of the future

This is a pretty good video about Singapore. I learned a lot.



First off, Singapore is beautiful. It's like the opposite of Venezuela. It's crazy to see good socialism at work it's hard to comprehend. It reminds me a lot of Hitler's vision for Germany when the Nazi's first came power to before WW2. The government has tight control over everything there from where you can live, how many cars can drive on the roads, there's no convienance stores around the housing area's. It's very crazy to see this experiment and it's a vision of our future in smart cities.



It looks like Singapore is testing a new smart grid/ smart city technology with gigantic hanging gardens and everything. Apparently Asia will be leading the way into the future.

Where's that Chinese wife I've been looking for?

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I take it you have never been there, whats bizarre is you go across the bridge into Malaysia and as soon as you are on the other side you are in a third world country....

Its been a while since I have been there but that stuck out most in my mind, other than Singapore is a very clean city.

a reply to: toysforadults

Good Video.....

The CONS have it.

I would be miserable there.

a reply to: toysforadults

I've lived in and visited Singapore so many times, I've lost count.

"The 4 floors of whores"

Look that up - it's an internationally renowned establishment and from a sailors perspective, very enticing.

Socialism 101

actually there are shops near the housing estates that sell most of what convenience stores do . along with hawker centers that sell a wide variety of great food . even got lots vending machines .

with the transport system here dont really need a car ( coe expensive along with number available decreasing every year auto ownership being phased out . )

meh I stay away from orchard rd. too many tourists and westerners there everything overpriced on orchard rd too ) .

along with very low crime rate can safely walk around day or night without getting robbed , raped or murdered .
zero tolerance policy on drugs - drugs are a capitol offense here .

hands down quality of life here in singapore better than in western countries .

originally posted by: toysforadults
This is a pretty good video about Singapore. I learned a lot.

First off, Singapore is beautiful. It's like the opposite of Venezuela. It's crazy to see good socialism at work it's hard to comprehend. It reminds me a lot of Hitler's vision for Germany when the Nazi's first came power to before WW2. The government has tight control over everything there from where you can live, how many cars can drive on the roads, there's no convienance stores around the housing area's. It's very crazy to see this experiment and it's a vision of our future in smart cities.

It looks like Singapore is testing a new smart grid/ smart city technology with gigantic hanging gardens and everything. Apparently Asia will be leading the way into the future.

Where's that Chinese wife I've been looking for?

u need a chinese wife? go the designated place, usually in the big parks around a city and there will be a place where family members are hocking their children. if your a foreigner or successful you pretty much have pick of the litter. its disgusting to me but thats the culture

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TheScale "usually in the big parks around a city and there will be a place where family members are hocking their children."

Are you saying that in Singapore, parents are selling their own children? I find that hard to believe. (or China?)

Your suggesting him to marry one?

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Thanks for sharing.

Some believe the NWO want to establish socialism.

NDCC

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Depending on who the government is, it sounds kinda scary. Don't like the idea of too much control by the few.

Singapore looks like a really nice place to explore, but for the same reason I'll never set foot in Dubai, I'll never venture there. My choice of medicine, whether on my person or not, could see me locked up or worse; simply having traces in blood while entering a new country constitutes trafficking in some minds. It's a shame really.

As a small side-note, my tiny home island is soon to be a testbed for Smart-Grid tech.;

Jersey to be Testbed for new Internet Network

...Sony’s ‘Low-Power, Wide-Area Network’, as with other IoT networks, is designed to connect with devices which only need to send relatively small amounts of data but over long periods of time, rather than standard devices like laptops and smartphones.

Examples of devices which could harness the technology include sensors which record traffic congestion or collect environmental data, such as temperature, air quality and humidity.

...A statement from JT said that Sony opted to use the Island for its high-speed ‘fibre’ internet network, as well its ‘varied terrain’ and the population’s digital connectivity. Tom Noel, managing director of JT International, said that Jersey is ‘the perfect location’ to test new networks.

I'm not sure how I feel about this, but that's a different thread.

All the best


(Eta before posting, if I've strayed too far off topic, I won't be offended if my reply suddenly disappears )

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Singapore is an interesting place. It's very clean, very low crime, the people are well behaved, education is heavily subsidized and encouraged, and 1 in 6 people are millionaires. They're quite successful. On the other hand, they also have a massive poverty problem. Singapore takes the wealth inequality in the US to a whole new level.

All in all, I would like to visit, but I think they're a little too authoritarian for a place I would like to live or raise a family.

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Really, with all the socialization how do they manage poverty?

some failures are detectable

3 Hard Truths About Poverty In Singapore 😎

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Aazadan

Really, with all the socialization how do they manage poverty?

They don't. Singapore has no minimum wage or meaningful welfare system. They subsidize education heavily, but if you didn't go to school or you're out of school and can't find a job, they're content to let you starve in a shack. They have charities that provide food, but that's limited... there's no food stamp like program. And government assistance isn't enough to cover anything, it maxes out for a family at about $600/month in a nation that has a cost of living close to that of LA or NYC in the US.

15% of their population (about 1 in 6, same as the millionaire rate) lives on $5 a day.

Singapore ain't socialist. It's regulated. It's clean because there's lots of imported cheap labour. It's got money because it is well placed to be a gateway between one place and another.

I like Singapore. Been there a few times, and my brother lived there for a bit. The Singaporeans are nice folk, and the Filipino maid was OK too and ran my brother's household. The ex pat population was large and well ordered. Brits, Aussies, Indians and others. Not that many Americans, but they were probably in different bars.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: toysforadults

I've lived in and visited Singapore so many times, I've lost count.

"The 4 floors of whores"

Look that up - it's an internationally renowned establishment and from a sailors perspective, very enticing.

Socialism 101

That was the first thing i thought of when i saw the OP. I always enjoyed Singapore, clean, great food, lot's of pretty women.

Good times!

originally posted by: paraphi
Singapore ain't socialist. It's regulated.

I didn't feel like bringing it up but since someone else did I'll comment on it. Singapore is not socialist, by most rankings they're actually one of the most capitalist countries on the planet (currently #2 as of this year, they used to be #1). They're strong on regulations however and they invest a lot in helping residents become better and more productive. That's not really socialist, that's just investing in your nation. No different than building public infrastructure.

a reply to: Aazadan

Interesting I always thought that Singapore had a thriving free market system. This much regulation isn't really free market though.

What exactly is it?

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Aazadan

Interesting I always thought that Singapore had a thriving free market system. This much regulation isn't really free market though.

What exactly is it?

They have a lot of business laws focusing on consumer protection, finance, and the environment but if you meet the laws, pretty much anything goes. With regards to economic freedom, individuals have much more than in the US, because the businesses aren't allowed to sell junk under the pretense of "let the buyer beware". So consumer confidence is much higher for those with disposable income. It's a good place to run an honest business, a bad place to run a dishonest one.

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How does regulation affect upward mobility?

In he US regulation and crony capitalism have essentially canceled upward mobility and wealth creation by not allowing competitive market forces to regulate supply and demand.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Aazadan

How does regulation affect upward mobility?

In he US regulation and crony capitalism have essentially canceled upward mobility and wealth creation by not allowing competitive market forces to regulate supply and demand.

I'm not an expert on Singapore, just a bit that I've read. So what it's like for the average person living there, I couldn't tell you. They're very much believers in globalization though, and not so much in economic protectionism which has made them a great consumer market and lead to lower prices for goods.

Crony capitalism doesn't exist there, the laws prevent it.

To answer your question, regulation lowers costs. It has lead to them having a high quality and low cost health care system, a healthier population due to a lack of pollution. It has also forced companies into acting in the consumers interest in many cases since that's how they attract customers and prosper. In Singapore companies don't buy politicians, the punishment for that is death... or worse.

Upward mobility in the country is essentially based on two premises:
1. Singapore invests heavily in promoting business and attracting companies that need skilled labor.
2. Singapore subsidizes education, in order to encourage a skilled work force. Simultaneously, they try to make life as hard as possible for those who are unskilled.

The combination of a friendly (honest) business environment and the push to create a very skilled workforce has made it a place where anyone who wants work has it, most often in their field.

This is hard for the US to replicate because it takes 2 generations to create a skilled workforce (and Singapore used very harsh measures to develop one), and the political will to subsidize education that long for a payoff. When 40% of the population opposes education it's just not going to happen.