Approaching Time Travel In A Different Way

Typically when I think of time travel, my mind goes to depictions of scientific machines. Like Back to the Future. So on and so forth. Along with it, the challenges of traveling to the past without altering the present somehow. Some days I wonder if time travel could ever be feasible.

But the other day I thought that what if time travel can be achieved through a different way. Like brainwaves or something - in a way that can penetrate into the very lives of men and women in the past. We get to experience their thoughts, experiences, environments almost first hand without fear of too much interference or exposure.

Because with each encounter of a historical nature - be it biographies, shows, or museums - I always find myself pining for a taste of the past. In a weird nostalgic sort of way that makes no sense.

Thoughts?

People from 2000 years ago are passing by us on the way to the future and back. They recorded what they saw, and it doesn't look good. I think I might rather go back then forward

If there is some complete pool of consciousness through out time in the universe then that would seem to be a possibility.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
People from 2000 years ago are passing by us on the way to the future and back. They recorded what they saw, and it doesn't look good. I think I might rather go back then forward

Could you please elaborate more on what you mean? Are you referring to seers and such?

originally posted by: roadgravel
If there is some complete pool of consciousness through out time in the universe then that would seem to be a possibility.

Agreed! On top of that, our physical bodies may not ever be capable of bending time, but perhaps our inner beings can transcend the laws of physics in order to achieve time travel.

a reply to: PhantomOrion

"time is a human perception because: The human body. YOUR human body is in all three of the "times"; past present and future. Look at a clock. The person you are now, in the present, in one minute will be in the past. That same person right now is one minute in the future in the future. let me rephrase that: In one minute's time the you that you are now will be in the past. The future you will become the present you and then almost instantly the past you. therefor it is the MIND, not the body, can only be in one time at once, the present. It is the mind, or the conscious, or perception that keeps ourselves seeing things in the present. Nothing else, stones, cars, even our own bodies are in only one time at once. therefor it is a perception, not a force or dimension.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A great thread from 2010. It would be a very useful read to anyone who would understand some of the different aspects of perception of the non physical.

Edited to add, the movie Somewhere in Time is also a different take on time travel.

a reply to: PhantomOrion

Maybe physical body doesn't move, just our awareness. But that would mean it is not a true physical experience.

EG: Actually being at a place on Earth in a past year.

I've read some experiences of people and a certain sage plant that strongly suggests what you're saying may be possible. I read one where someone experienced 60 years as a fleck of paint on a wall in a house watching several generations live in the house and another where someone was being tortured in a desert in the past somewhere. These are the two I remember clearly reading about but there was more and many of them were people experiencing sometimes entire lives in the span of 10 minutes.

a reply to: 3daysgone

Thank you for sharing! That was a very insightful read and I thoroughly enjoyed. I've read about the time slips before and consider those individuals so fortunate . I definitely agree with time being an organized illusion. It's how we make sense of or lives.

Be very careful what you wish for.

A history viewer, for example, would completely annihilate, for ever and ever, our ability to enjoy privacy.

A world without privacy!

No thank you!

ETA. Just imagine what the web would become. Here are some headlines.

Watch nightly sex between The President and the First Lady. Sorry, The President was overseas, do you want to see him masturbate ...

What the President Ate yesterday ... every crumb accounted for.

How does the First Lady apply make-up ... yes ... her secrets revealed!

P

a reply to: PhantomOrion

what if time isn't as linear as we think... what if the past, the present, and the futures all exist in the now, we are just limited to this one small area of creation, and in reality, the "we" is much larger than we can conceive and we are actually present in many different eras and times, and alternate realities only disconnected with our other selves. and sometimes, we can get a glimpse of them through hypnosis, and we call that past life regressions...
and what if we could find a way to connect with those other selves, interact with them... if we helped one of those other selves existing in what we perceive to be our past enough to make a better life for them, or to strengthen them in some way, could we change our present existence?

a reply to: PhantomOrion

Perhaps we could loosen the definitions, and pre-conceived ideas of time-travel.

Like say you are playing an online game, with an in-game timeline being an integral part of it.
Say a person is really into this game.
Then following a glitch, the game needs to be reset to a few days back, in the in-game timeline.
For the part of you that gets into this game: is this not a sort of time-travel?


Behold example #2:
Watch these 2 vids back-to-back, and then say that it is not a kind of time-travel. Open our definitions.

A physical machine will never be able to manipulate time because time is entirely a product of the conscious mind which is not physical but immaterial. Using brainwaves is much more plausible than a machine but I'm not so sure even that's possible.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: PhantomOrion

what if time isn't as linear as we think... what if the past, the present, and the futures all exist in the now, we are just limited to this one small area of creation, and in reality, the "we" is much larger than we can conceive and we are actually present in many different eras and times, and alternate realities only disconnected with our other selves. and sometimes, we can get a glimpse of them through hypnosis, and we call that past life regressions...
and what if we could find a way to connect with those other selves, interact with them... if we helped one of those other selves existing in what we perceive to be our past enough to make a better life for them, or to strengthen them in some way, could we change our present existence?

When we start to philosiphize: we discuss how time is a human construct. We say time isn't real.
But is anyone ready to consider, way beyond that, that time may not only be real, but possibly the only thing that is real?
Perhaps the constraints, restrictions, and rules we place on time are false, but there is something real underneath?
Something underneath, or beyond our observations?
(Tried to find a nice QM vid to link with this idea, but didn't have enough time...)

a reply to: PhantomOrion

Everything is electricity or light and everything everyone has ever seen or heard or even thought of, for that matter, has been permanently recorded into the internet of everything, the collective conscious.
So, yeah, if we can tap into the main web we can actually tap into previous people's experiences and "re-live" these experiences through their eyes and ears and body in "real-time".

Time travel in the common sense of it, would be impossible by itself. You'd need to travel in space also, and accurately.

If the physical body were to even travel back 1 second, we would be around 30 kilometres away from where we are right now. over 4 seconds, we'd be in space, and .. well that wouldn't work out too well for anyone.

-- ETA, and this is just taking into consideration the momentum of the Earth around the sun. But the sun too, is in orbit. As is the milky way, around yet something else or at least moving. Nothing is static, everything is relative. If we were to be frozen in time, nothing would be left. --

If we were to travel via the mind only, what would become of the person we inhabit? Coexisting would not work, it would ensure we'd be stoned to death, nailed to a cross or worse.

I ponder more the concept, as mentioned above, that everything that has and will happen, is one point. And the reality we are experiencing is a mere slither of the entirety of reality. Dimensions above interact with ours, just as we cast shadows on a 2 dimensional plane. We're just stuck, a result of something experiencing something else. flecks of dust illuminated by the all reaching sunlight shining through the cracks. Gravity and light I think are the only things that permeate everything. And why they are both a constant and an unknown.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: PhantomOrion

Everything is electricity or light and everything everyone has ever seen or heard or even thought of, for that matter, has been permanently recorded into the internet of everything, the collective conscious.
So, yeah, if we can tap into the main web we can actually tap into previous people's experiences and "re-live" these experiences through their eyes and ears and body in "real-time".

What then of a stone. It exists, it has form, a start and an inevitable finite ending. What remembers a stone?

a reply to: badw0lf

I think if you were to tap into the stones experience, it would probably feel like nothing and then slowly over time you would be able to discern tiny differences within the nothingness so that you may end up feeling something.

a reply to: PhantomOrion

The only thing that exists is the Now. Everything else is just there to give texture and meaning and even a backstory to that "Now" Time is just a narrator, it explains and gives reasons within the framework it has to work with ie the human mind stuck in the meat machine, in its relative surroundings. Time is something we create not something that creates us.

All the matter in the universe is always there, and always in the now. It takes different shapes and expresses itself in different wavelengths, it coalesces, expands, detracts, subtracts, multiplies, dissipates, and always changes. Time is relative to the different focus points in said matter universe that observes not others, but itself in relation to others.

Time is relative, as such it's an expression, a measuring stick, a compare and contrast calendar. Its there to give you and the world around you a backstory. The backstory is what you call the past. And the future? That is merely depended on your processing power and ability to understand and work with the total sum of everything in the universe. Tomorrow you will wake up, eat something, then go to work. That is the future, and it was all brought on and upon by the past.

The past dictates the future, and the future preludes the present. But all of that is just going on in your head, data streams merely interpreting itself into a functional purpose. So like the saying goes, no matter were you go, there you are. Not only is time not linear, only human time is linear because the human mind is purposely linear, after all don't forget that 9:00 am appointment.

Not only that were not all of us on the same timescale or timescope, just like were not all of us on the same
were not all on the same time stream, we just appear to be. Do you think a chimp has the same time as you? Or do you merely ascribe the same time to it? How about an ant? Or a bee? Even the clouds in the sky and Jupiter in its orbit?

The constellation of Pleiades all the way to Alpha Draconis and beyond, and all the stars in the sky, those that you see and those that you don't see, all run on different timescales and zones, and yes even different time concepts and different wavelengths of mater even, and not all of them are linear.

Were all merely just relating to one another, its all relative, and all have different times, merely strangers passing by on our way to our futures. So when you say your going to travel through time, its purely a self centered expression. If you think its like in Back to the Future? Well maybe! Or you could just be running on borrowed time and never even know it, as so many countless other species that came before us have had the pleasure of not knowing.

So yes seeing as Time is mostly a fictional concept brought on by human minds. How else would one time travel through a purely fictional made up concept? But by fictional made up means. But anyways, I have not time for this stuff anyways.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: badw0lf

I think if you were to tap into the stones experience, it would probably feel like nothing and then slowly over time you would be able to discern tiny differences within the nothingness so that you may end up feeling something.

Not me, I have no feelers. Ask my ex. At least she is happy now.. *chugs drink*

Point was, that everything, already is. A stone has experienced everything from creation till now. And a stone will from now, till the end of everything, continue to experience everything. Only our perspective as fleeting moments, prevents us from knowing things as a stone knows things. Everything is infinite. You cannot measure or record infinity, it is for all intent and purpose, a single thing.

Infinity is that mind breaking concept, as is nothing. An absolute lack of anything is as infinitely vast as an absolute being of everything. Divide by zero, or divide by everything. Both break things if attempted.

How can we travel to a place where we already are? By not even moving one step. Forward or backward in time, we are already there. Everything is a point. Time travel, as we consider it, is like saying what if we could red back to blue. Just as we can see a small part of the spectrum of light only by refraction, and that it contains red and blue, it is only our perspective that changes, not a movement, when seeing it. An illusion. One thing when perceived in a different 'light' becomes many.. time.

I dunno, it's Friday after all... Too many guarana vodkas haha..