Why does it cost $32,093 just to give birth in America?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

I have never been able to find any easy to use info on the subject. We are always told every Dr's balls are busted by malpractice costs and everyone is suing. Thank you for the post.

The US medical system is about profit, a corps main function is to create value for the shareholders. Everything else is a cost and needs to be "externalized" or claims denied til the patient dies.


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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Maybe they should become 'undocumented immigrants '

Then they can # out kids fa free.

win win win down right Don winnie

a reply to: seasonal

Well now that's we've concluded, by source and by study, that malpractice costs aren't the issue as they've been on the decline for the last 20 years and that illegals aren't really a burden to the system according to studies what's the next excuse?

No really? I wonder Seasonal.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

6 Huge corps own the media, and we are told what to think. In this case it is the lazy bums who sue every one all the time. It isn't the capitalistic nightmare that feeds off monopolies, it's the lazy bums.

Because:

a reply to: jjkenobi

I had a C-section with complications, the total charged to insurance was 80K
I forget how much I actually paid out of pocket.

It without a doubt saved my life, If what I went through happened 50 years earlier, I would be dead for sure.
The other crazy thing, at that time before the birth, I was given the choice of C-section or natural birth, the nurse whispered to me that if I were her sister she would recommend c-section. I ended up with c-section and was told had I gone into natural labor I would have bled out and died for sure. Now I think a lot of insurance companies make you have a c-section if you have had one previously.

The other thing was all costs were discussed and agree upon before the surgery. After I received the bill I noticed additional charges for additional people in the delivery room (surgeons helpers or something like that), it was no small charge either. I disputed those charges and they all went away.

a reply to: Neopan100

This is crazy!

This is exactly what baffles me when US citizens (not you specifically) argue that their healthcare system is better than a universal system!

1. US taxpayers who don't recieve healthcare benefits are all ready paying taxes that cover those that do.
2. Those of you who pay insurance premiums are paying an insane amount, generally more than what a taxpayer would contribute towards healthcare in a universal healthcare country.
3. In the end, you're still paying out of pocket costs! $273 for Cipro ear drops!!?? The same drug in Canada costs... $50, the same as your co-pay. Your insurance companies are swindling all of you.

Time to demand more from your government!

a reply to: Southern Guardian

The prices are driven by demand. So are funeral expenses. They are skyrocketing too.

My mother-in-law and father-in-law delivered nine of their 13 children at home with help from whatever those ladies are called.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: Neopan100

This is crazy!

This is exactly what baffles me when US citizens (not you specifically) argue that their healthcare system is better than a universal system!

1. US taxpayers who don't recieve healthcare benefits are all ready paying taxes that cover those that do.
2. Those of you who pay insurance premiums are paying an insane amount, generally more than what a taxpayer would contribute towards healthcare in a universal healthcare country.
3. In the end, you're still paying out of pocket costs! $273 for Cipro ear drops!!?? The same drug in Canada costs... $50, the same as your co-pay. Your insurance companies are swindling all of you.

Time to demand more from your government!

Truth has no place in this debate.

a reply to: seasonal

😂😂

a reply to: Atsbhct

Do you know why there is that cost difference?

Your government undercuts the true price. They tell the company, "We are the one you are negotiating with and we won't pay what you're asking. We demand a lesser price because we buy in bulk."

So your country either does not get Cipro or the company sells at a steep discount. That means those of us who do pay the price out of pocket must make up for that benefit. In other words, you may thank us for subsidizing your drugs up there in Canada ... so can most of the rest of the world for that matter.

If we all paid the true price for our meds, the cost might even out and then Cipro wouldn't cost anyone $200+ dollars, but it wouldn't necessarily cost $50 either.

Of course, no one mentions that you can get the same med for about $1 per pack at your local pet stores ... well maybe not in Canada because the government prefers to save y'all from yourselves.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Atsbhct

Do you know why there is that cost difference?

Your government undercuts the true price. They tell the company, "We are the one you are negotiating with and we won't pay what you're asking. We demand a lesser price because we buy in bulk."

So your country either does not get Cipro or the company sells at a steep discount. That means those of us who do pay the price out of pocket must make up for that benefit. In other words, you may thank us for subsidizing your drugs up there in Canada ... so can most of the rest of the world for that matter.

If we all paid the true price for our meds, the cost might even out and then Cipro wouldn't cost anyone $200+ dollars, but it wouldn't necessarily cost $50 either.

Of course, no one mentions that you can get the same med for about $1 per pack at your local pet stores ... well maybe not in Canada because the government prefers to save y'all from yourselves.

Is this a fact or an opinion?

Do we know what the total cost of producing Cipro (in this case) is?

Are you sure that the pharma company that is selling Cipro isn't making a smaller profit from let's say Canada and making a huge profit off sales from the US?

Diagnosis-related group

en.wikipedia.org...

Government sets the price using DRG's.


So government sets the price, and yet people want to run to government and complain to government about the price that was set by government.

a reply to: ketsuko

The US government allows this to happen because it loves getting political grants from Pharma companies. It could cap drug prices at any time if it wanted to...like other countries do, but no, it lets the pharmaceutical companies rape it's citizens with costs set by market demand, just like bacon!!
It's even appalling that the US has commercials for drugs. It's almost as if the government in the US has made it's citizens health a corporate money making scheme...🤔

a reply to: seasonal

No kidding, some people are deluded..we are to suppose, Canada and the whole rest of the world are wrong, but America is right on drug pricing, or they pay more because because the rest of the world pays less..sounds like there is a problem and it isn't the rest of the worlds fault..greed and nothing more

a reply to: vonclod

Agreed, wonder where this fairy tale started? We are supposed to not only hate each other based on small differences in the US we are supposed to hate other countries because they are making us somehow pay more.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
Your insurance companies are swindling all of you.

What? You gots to be joshin.

a reply to: seasonal

Some people have a myopic view.
The reality is, the rest of the world has decided that health care isn't something to bleed people dry and squeeze every penny out of sick people, they do make profit though..just not enormous profit.
I'm going going to look up the pay and benefits package on some of the major drug company CEO's, HMO's too..no doubt they are waaaaay beyond reason.

Well, pertaining to HMO's the pay scale is between 10 mill and 22 mill.

www.fiercehealthcare.com...


Pharma salaries go from 14 mill to over 40 mill

www.fiercepharma.com...

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Well cause' the freemarket and the invisible hand God dang!

1.) If a firefighter comes to your house, and puts out a fire, and charges you so much money that you go bankrupt or cannot afford to pay. That's an absurdity.

2.) If a police officer stops a burglary at your home, and charges you so much money that you go bankrup or cannot afford to pay. That's an absurdity.

3.) If you get cancer and the doctor charges you so much money that you go bankrupt, or cannot afford to pay. That's an absurdity.

If you or your wife gives birth and get charged thousands of dollars by your local hospital, that's an absurdity.


This is how the average European or people from other civilized nations view these things, because these things are viewed as basic human rights.
Except the US of course (in regards to 3), whose citizens seem to give reasons like "Freedom of market" or "socialism" or "high taxes". When in reality they are paying more and getting ripped off overall.

Spot on, it is surreal reading the reasons and excuses some Americans make for being ripped off like they are .

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Diagnosis-related group

en.wikipedia.org...

Government sets the price using DRG's.


So government sets the price, and yet people want to run to government and complain to government about the price that was set by government.

Lucky you have a POTUS that cares about people more than profit, I imagine he will soon look to fixing the insurance mess and get American people the healthcare they deserve that doesn't bankrupt them or force them to choose the level of care they get relative to how much money they have.