BREXIT LATEST: Barnier announces EU law to apply during transitional period - Theresa May MUST go!

What do the EU27's agreed proposals include?
- A transition period of 21 months, ending on December 31 2020, rather than the two-year period favoured by Mrs May;
- The cut-off date for EU citizens to enjoy full rights in the UK to be the end of the transition in December 2020, rather than March 2019;
- Britain to be required to obey all existing EU rules and regulations - including free movement of people - during transition, as well as any new laws agreed by the 27 after the UK has been removed from decision-making bodies;
- The UK to continue to comply with EU trade policy until the end of transition, meaning it cannot implement new trade deals.

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Let’s face it... Theresa May has got to go now before she agrees to this (which we all know she is going to)

Rees-Mogg.... Enter

originally posted by: fusiondoe

What do the EU27's agreed proposals include?
- A transition period of 21 months, ending on December 31 2020, rather than the two-year period favoured by Mrs May;
- The cut-off date for EU citizens to enjoy full rights in the UK to be the end of the transition in December 2020, rather than March 2019;
- Britain to be required to obey all existing EU rules and regulations - including free movement of people - during transition, as well as any new laws agreed by the 27 after the UK has been removed from decision-making bodies;
- The UK to continue to comply with EU trade policy until the end of transition, meaning it cannot implement new trade deals.

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Let’s face it... Theresa May has got to go now before she agrees to this (which we all know she is going to)

Rees-Mogg.... Enter

Rees Mogg...exit....accountability is the most important thing. Rees Mogg is a squit, and a squite is accountable to no one.

As long as the transitional period is strictly defined and, short with no scope to extend it forever I don't care.


The important thing is that this isnt dragged out forever so that the liars in chief can say "we left" bt keep us in all the institutions we voted to be out of.

What else was going to happen? The EU holds all the cards, of course they are going to get their way. They are 27 nations, we are 1.

Rees-mogg is scum. Look up what he actually believes in. His main interest in brexit is preserving the British virgin islands as a place to hide his offshore money and evade tax...

Which, give the EU was moving to stop all the British offshore banking scams, you can start to piece together why so many millionaire tories were suddenly pushing brexit.

Farage too for that matter.

a reply to: smurfy

Rees Mogg is much like his sister, who I was at public school with, arrogant.

Arrogance without a balance of humility is dangerous. Pure Arrogance avoids accountability.

A wise man taught me that all great leaders have a touch of humility - it allows you to understand everyman's problems.

originally posted by: RelSciHistItSufi
a reply to: smurfy

Rees Mogg is much like his sister, who I was at public school with, arrogant.

Arrogance without a balance of humility is dangerous. Pure Arrogance avoids accountability.

A wise man taught me that all great leaders have a touch of humility - it allows you to understand everyman's problems.

Arrogance with more than a dash of profound infidelity, both intellectually and honestly realistic.
As you say very eloquently...everyman, and in this case in particular, everywoman.

He knows that that BREXIT is far more complex than a simple 'let's get outta here next year' statement could ever allowed, but it suited at that moment. Now his nappy is full, and demands a change.
The next blighter in line will fare no better from this ever open arsehole who is very suspect in his intentions elsewhere, rather than a guardian of democracy.

a reply to: fusiondoe

Brexit needs to happen and thankfully will. The mistake people are making is thinking that the EU was ever open to being changed as per Dodgy Dave Cameron claimed he was going to do. Look up the joke of an offer the EU gave him so they shot themselves in the foot there. The EU is not what it needs to be or should be. It was started with a great idea, free trade across Europe, and then military defense across Europe and then suddenly that taste of controlling power (over trade rules) mutated into a money hungry power grabbing monster that it is today.

You and me can agree on May being a weak leader and needing to go but who can replace her? Corbyn, blokes a joke. The transition period was going to happen, the shock to the system on both sides of us just walking away would have brought more chaos to every day people (politicians are always protected especially ones who weren't voted into power but selected) so it was clear that it would happen what the rules are for that time period though is shaky and May should demand the right to continue our voting power until we leave otherwise she would not agree to other terms.

9 billion is going to be lost to the EU when we leave (if we don't end up having to pay for access to the single market which I doubt will happen) and are already warning member states that they will be asked to pick up the tab and Germany is fearful that they will be the ones to fork over the most (which won't happen). To keep systems working it has to happen and two years should be it, there should be no extension it should end after the two year period is over no continuation otherwise we then have a problem.

But yes May needs to go.
There is one thing that we must take away from this, the EU will do what it can to try and change this. They will team with politicians who are remainers and work their will to try and change the outcome (just ask the countries they've either ignored or forced to revote until it was the outcome they wanted). I am not ashamed to say that I voted Brexit and would do so again because we need to have our country back, the country that was once called Great Britain. Times have changed and the EU is becoming a dark force in the world. (It does some good but the bad always out weighs their good deeds).

originally posted by: Dwoodward85

You and me can agree on May being a weak leader and needing to go but who can replace her? Corbyn, blokes a joke. The transition period was going to happen, the shock to the system on both sides of us just walking away would have brought more chaos to every day people (politicians are always protected especially ones who weren't voted into power but selected) so it was clear that it would happen what the rules are for that time period though is shaky and May should demand the right to continue our voting power until we leave otherwise she would not agree to other terms.

Teresa May needs to get rid of Hammond..... Stroppy chancellors have been

the downfall of many a PM. eg.>>>>

Margaret Thatcher and Nigel Lawson

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and now

Teresa May and Phillip Hammond.

Hammond is undermining May at every turn......

But yes May needs to go.
There is one thing that we must take away from this, the EU will do what it can to try and change this. They will team with politicians who are remainers and work their will to try and change the outcome (just ask the countries they've either ignored or forced to revote until it was the outcome they wanted). I am not ashamed to say that I voted Brexit and would do so again because we need to have our country back, the country that was once called Great Britain

I really beleive May could hang on IF She gets rid of all and any

descenters in her cabinet. But she hasn't the back bone for it. She might even

bring in Farrage in an advisory capacity in negotitions.

It is my personal opinion that Rees Mogg is an asset and should be brought into

higher into government.

Leaked government papers today showing their economic impact assessments of Brexit.

Over the next 15 years, national income would be 8% lower under a no-deal scenario, around 5% lower with a free-trade agreement with the EU and about 2% lower with a soft Brexit option of staying in the single market, says the briefing paper.

This is from the impact papers that David Davis has previously sworn existed, then he swore they didn't exist, then he swore he'd never heard of them, then he said he didn't need to know anything to do his job, and now part of the papers have leaked.


8% loss of national income would be the biggest recession this country has ever experienced.

These are the Conservative governments own figures.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Dwoodward85

You and me can agree on May being a weak leader and needing to go but who can replace her? Corbyn, blokes a joke. The transition period was going to happen, the shock to the system on both sides of us just walking away would have brought more chaos to every day people (politicians are always protected especially ones who weren't voted into power but selected) so it was clear that it would happen what the rules are for that time period though is shaky and May should demand the right to continue our voting power until we leave otherwise she would not agree to other terms.

Teresa May needs to get rid of Hammond..... Stroppy chancellors have been

the downfall of many a PM. eg.>>>>

Margaret Thatcher and Nigel Lawson

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and now

Teresa May and Phillip Hammond.

Hammond is undermining May at every turn......

But yes May needs to go.
There is one thing that we must take away from this, the EU will do what it can to try and change this. They will team with politicians who are remainers and work their will to try and change the outcome (just ask the countries they've either ignored or forced to revote until it was the outcome they wanted). I am not ashamed to say that I voted Brexit and would do so again because we need to have our country back, the country that was once called Great Britain

I really beleive May could hang on IF She gets rid of all and any

descenters in her cabinet. But she hasn't the back bone for it. She might even

bring in Farrage in an advisory capacity in negotitions.

It is my personal opinion that Rees Mogg is an asset and should be brought into

higher into government.

I find it interesting that you see Hammond as undermining May all the time. But you don't see Rees Mogg as also undermining her all the time too?

The Hard Brexiteers are doing just as much if not more undermining than the smaller number of soft Brexiteers, aren't they?

Rees Mogg is on the tv almost every day talking about what a terrible job May is doing, telling his comforting lie about how a hard Brexit and WTO rules won't be a problem at all.


He's a multi millionaire who stands to have to pay a ton more tax if he loses his British Virgin Islands offshore hidden accounts if we remain in the EU. Personally I don't trust anything millionaires say when they stand to lose money if a deal doesn't go their way.

originally posted by: Painterz

I find it interesting that you see Hammond as undermining May all the time. But you don't see Rees Mogg as also undermining her all the time too?

Isn't perception odd?? and subjective?

Yes I see Hammond as undermining and a slippery individual, but I have never

seen Rees Mogg undermine anyone.... he states things as they are even if he

disagrees. I watched him this morning and no where did he undermine May.

The Hard Brexiteers are doing just as much if not more undermining than the smaller number of soft Brexiteers, aren't they?

Perception again!!

I myself am what you would call a hard Brexiteer. and I don't agree with your

statement regarding 'the smaller number of soft brexiteers.' Although T.M keeps

repeating the phrase *Brexit means Brexit* I dont think her heart is in it and I

wonder if she quite believes it herself while she goes through the motions, I

would like to see some one at the helm who said that phrase with more passion

and belief.

Rees Mogg is on the tv almost every day talking about what a terrible job May is doing, telling his comforting lie about how a hard Brexit and WTO rules won't be a problem at all.

Perception again??

I see more Boris Johnson, Phil Hammond, Jeremy Corbyn and John MacDonald

on TV than Rees Mogg, and when I do see him I have to agree with most of what

he says.

He's a multi millionaire

I know and thats what most people have against him. He made his money

himself like many other millionaires. I dont hold that against him!

who stands to have to pay a ton more tax if he loses his British Virgin Islands offshore hidden accounts if we remain in the EU. Personally I don't trust anything millionaires say when they stand to lose money if a deal doesn't go their way.

The law needs changing?? at present what they have done is not illegal,

change the loopholes in the law and make those practices illegal then ALL

of them can be imprisoned for breaking the law. All the extra money in the

tax coffers from Tony Blair, Sir Phillip Green Garry Lineker and all the other

overpaid footballers.


Incidently Phillip Hammond is also a millionaire,

*Mllionaire Tory Chancellor Philip Hammond has refused point-blank to publish his tax return.*

But you dont seem to carry the same angst against him??? What in your

opinion makes him any different to Rees Mogg

originally posted by: Painterz
Leaked government papers today showing their economic impact assessments of Brexit.
Over the next 15 years, national income would be 8% lower under a no-deal scenario, around 5% lower with a free-trade agreement with the EU and about 2% lower with a soft Brexit option of staying in the single market, says the briefing paper.
This is from the impact papers that David Davis has previously sworn existed, then he swore they didn't exist, then he swore he'd never heard of them, then he said he didn't need to know anything to do his job, and now part of the papers have leaked.
8% loss of national income would be the biggest recession this country has ever experienced.
These are the Conservative governments own figures.

Scaremongering AGAIN all this and more was said in 2016 prior to the

referendum. Which has gone on to being proved to have been wrong?


Conservatives own figures? Dont trust any of them ..... there are as many

remainers in the conservative party as any where else.

No one can predict the future ..... I believe in my country and think we

have more chance of success out of the EU.

Lean mean streamlined and independant


It occurred to me today when I heard that how quiet it has gone in the

media as to the economies in other EU countries anyone remember the plight

of Greece ....Portugal ..... Spain .... Italy


And the immigrant situation in Greece, Italy, France, Germany, and Turkey

is not improving while Hungary is hardening its policies. Thats all gone

very quiet too

originally posted by: Painterz
Leaked government papers today showing their economic impact assessments of Brexit.

Over the next 15 years, national income would be 8% lower under a no-deal scenario, around 5% lower with a free-trade agreement with the EU and about 2% lower with a soft Brexit option of staying in the single market, says the briefing paper.

This is from the impact papers that David Davis has previously sworn existed, then he swore they didn't exist, then he swore he'd never heard of them, then he said he didn't need to know anything to do his job, and now part of the papers have leaked.


8% loss of national income would be the biggest recession this country has ever experienced.

These are the Conservative governments own figures.

Exactly my point. There is no easy way out, and to even get near the 2% estimate will take much longer that just walking out...the other end of the scale.
It's easy to just say we're out, the reality is much different, never mind all the expertise of co-operative science, technology and infrastructure that has come about from being a threequarter member of the EU...the latter still miles away from anywhere near complete, dammit, we can't even fix the roads we already have, so where's the money coming from for that?...simple answer it won't, and for a very long time if ever.
British jingoist tendency, is the elephant in the room.

a reply to: smurfy

Local factory I deliver to. Workers generally voted to leave the EU, they were so ha[ppy when it happened. Now they're closing up................ Relocating to the EU

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: smurfy

Local factory I deliver to. Workers generally voted to leave the EU, they were so ha[ppy when it happened. Now they're closing up................ Relocating to the EU

But they got their country back and everything is strong and stable even though Hammond has just asked for £122 billion bail out...Stick that on a bus.

Would that be the same Rees Mogg who attended a party given by the Traditional Britain Party a couple of years ago.
Pictured in the papers today. Never said anything about that did he, till he was outed. Now he's trying to distance himself like a grovelling toady that he is.
For your information the leader of the TBP said of Baroness Lawrence as an immigrant and a n*****, Vanessa Feltz as a fat jewish s*** and all non whites to be repatriated into their country of birth within 3 years.
Oh, he's a nice fellow isn't he.

I have to say I voted to stay in, but the vote said brexit. I have no reason for that but be as it may we will have brexit. BBUUTT, stop burying your heads in the sand and think we are going to come out of this well. We are going to have to pay for this for years to come, that's we the people not we the rich people, which includes the Conservatives.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: smurfy

Local factory I deliver to. Workers generally voted to leave the EU, they were so ha[ppy when it happened. Now they're closing up................ Relocating to the EU

But they got their country back and everything is strong and stable even though Hammond has just asked for £122 billion bail out...Stick that on a bus.

Blue passports man. How can anyone not be happy when we get back blue passports.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: smurfy

Local factory I deliver to. Workers generally voted to leave the EU, they were so ha[ppy when it happened. Now they're closing up................ Relocating to the EU

But they got their country back and everything is strong and stable even though Hammond has just asked for £122 billion bail out...Stick that on a bus.

Blue passports man. How can anyone not be happy when we get back blue passports.

And straight Bananas and Cucumbers and everyfin sold by tha Paaaand again. It'll be great, Down the ol rub-a-dub dub for a knees up to old muvva braaaan an ol that. ffs

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: smurfy

Local factory I deliver to. Workers generally voted to leave the EU, they were so ha[ppy when it happened. Now they're closing up................ Relocating to the EU

But they got their country back and everything is strong and stable even though Hammond has just asked for £122 billion bail out...Stick that on a bus.

Oooooooooooooooo they gonna love the extra benefits cuts and taxes on essentials they'll be paying to service the government debts! They are exactly the type of people who voted us out and wanted change, now they get that change................. The dole and extra debt repayments through their taxes! So many are going to follow in their path too. It's like lemmings to the slaughter, you just couldn't make it up if you tried