The Bible Is All About Jesus Christ Being Exalted.

a reply to: Noinden

Absolutely...

He publicly professed Christianity though, so it is kinda scretchy to take second hand word on the subject..

Truth is I bet there was a scramble to distance EVERYONE and EVERYTHING from Hitler after his fall..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

OF course there was a scramble to stay away from Adolf. I mean we'd have no Godwins law with out Hitler Sadly people missed the point. The man and his ideologies, not whatever faith he had were at fault.

a reply to: ParasuvO

It is sin that he punishes, not just people for no reason.

a reply to: FingerMan

God bring w Israel back into the land to finish his chastisement of them and then bring them back as a remnant a the end of the tribulation. This brings in the millennial kingdom that last 1,000 years with Satan in change sin the bottomless pit for that time, and released for a season (3 months) and brings forth the judgement of the dead, and the end of the old earth and old heaven and a new heaven and new Jerusalem. And the Eternal kingdom goes on forever.

BOY EVERYBODY HAS GOTTEN WAY OFF TRACK HERE. THIS IS NT ABOUT HITLER OR ANY OTHER HISTORICAL FIGURE. IT IS THE BIBLE FACTS THAT THE BIBLE SPEAKS ABOUT JESUS FROM BEGINNING FROM TO THE END,

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Deetermined

Historians are divided, he is on record of praising Jesus. You are not going to suggest he was a pagan are you

Hitler's early policy speeches showed "a sincere appreciation of Christianity as a value system to be upheld",[12] and he personally believed in an active God, which he expressed as "Providence",[13] although historian Percy Ernst Schramm, analyzing the recorded and transcribed table talk with his entourage states that "For Jesus as a Savior there was, of course, no room in Hitler's view of things, but he recognized Jesus' human greatness."[13] Indeed, Hitler held Jesus in high esteem as an "Aryan fighter" who struggled against "the power and pretensions of the corrupt Pharisees"[13] and Jewish materialism.[14] While a small number of writers accept his publicly stated views as genuine expressions of his spirituality,[12] the vast majority believe that Hitler was skeptical of churches generally – although he "freely acknowledged the religious needs of the masses"[13] – but recognized that he could only be elected and preserve his political power if he feigned a commitment to and belief in Christianity, which the overwhelming majority of Germans believed in.[15] Hitler himself told confidants that his reluctance to make public attacks on the Church was not a matter of principle, but a pragmatic political move.[16] In his private diaries, Goebbels wrote in April 1941 that though Hitler was "a fierce opponent" of the Vatican and Christianity, "he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons."[17]

a reply to: Deetermined

So do you have any of your own words? You know like the rules state?

WELL YOU ARE STILL WAY OFF THE OP EVERYONE.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

You of course can back that up right? You know showing that its facts. Or that the pre Christian texts that go into the modern bible are about Jesus, oh say the Talmud? Perhaps you will type all in caps at me? Or threaten me again .

a reply to: Noinden

Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22 are all about Jesus and what would happen to him.

There are many other verses pertaining to Jesus in the Old Testament, but that would require some research on your part, and we doubt that you're willing to do so.

Luke 24:44

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

John 5:46-47

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

Proverbs 8:22-24 ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

These few verse tell us not only about Jesus, but these Bible verses if we can trust God in preserving them as he said he would (Ps12:6,7), are chronological, then Jesus was lifted up before the Earth was made, before there was a depth to the Abode of God, the third heaven, but like what we see in

Rev 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. The new earth had no sea, there was no more sea only the river of life that flowed from the throne.

So, are you saying, Proverb has mistakenly identifying Jesus as a "She"?

Proverb 8 isnt about Jesus. It's about A Call to Wisdom. It's about the importance of being wise. She ( Wisdom ) teaches us to be wise. She said nothing about a man called Jesus.

Proverb 8:6-21

6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say; I open my lips to speak what is right.
7 My mouth speaks what is true, for my lips detest wickedness.
8 All the words of my mouth are just; none of them is crooked or perverse.
9 To the discerning all of them are right; they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver, knowledge rather than choice gold,
11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire can compare with her.
12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence; I possess knowledge and discretion.
13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.
14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have insight, I have power.
15 By me kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just;
16 by me princes govern, and nobles—all who rule on earth.
17 I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.
18 With me are riches and honor, enduring wealth and prosperity.
19 My fruit is better than fine gold; what I yield surpasses choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness, along the paths of justice,
21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me and making their treasuries full.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
In summary, the earth was created originally for the exaltation of Jesus Christ, the Wisdom of God,

No it wasn't. The earth was created for Adam and Eve. The earth was created for Us. And the Wisdom of God in Proverb is referred as "She" not a "He" called Jesus. Just like you said,

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
For man still had to be created and left to his free will and we know how that affected us all.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Though I have very little amount of scripture to go by I still see this as a possible meaning of what Jesus Christ meant when he said the scriptures testify of him. I look forward with all the redeemed of the LORD in Praising and exalting the Lord Jesus Christ forever in the New Jerusalem and through out the new heaven.

You take one sentence from difference verses out of context to create your OP. Well done. You have just created a new myth.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Noinden

Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22 are all about Jesus and what would happen to him.

Isaiah is a call for Zion as stated by Isaiah 52. It's about the people of Zion ( Israel ).
Psalms 22 is David's saying. Jesus would never say such things because Jesus had already knew what's coming to him and prepared himself to be the lamb of God.

originally posted by: Deetermined
There are many other verses pertaining to Jesus in the Old Testament,

Only if you imagine them.

originally posted by: Deetermined
Luke 24:44

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

John 5:46-47

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I believe they're referring to YHWH. Not Jesus.

a reply to: EasternShadow

Isaiah is a call for Zion as stated by Isaiah 52. It's about the people of Zion ( Israel ).

In Isaiah 53, it isn't Israel that pours out it's soul to death (in verses 11 and 12) in order to intercede for the sins of others.

Psalms 22 is David's saying. Jesus would never say such things because Jesus had already knew what's coming to him and prepared himself to be the lamb of God.

Jesus quoted Psalm 22 at the time of his death on the cross in Matthew 27:46 . He was letting the people know that Psalms 22 was concerning him, just like he mentioned in Luke 24:44.

a reply to: EasternShadow

I believe they're referring to YHWH. Not Jesus.

You must have missed the fact that the verses I posted in Luke and Matthew were from the New Testament and were quotes from Jesus, not Yahweh.

It's clear that you're not familiar with the Bible and not credible in this conversation.

a reply to: Deetermined
The fact is, Moses only converse with God, YHWH. Not Jesus at Mount Sinai as stated by Exodus, which Matthew and Luke clearly referred to.

Jesus doesn't exist in Moses timeline. It was YHWH who instructed Moses to wrote the Ten Commandment. It was YHWH law written by Moses. Not Jesus. The New Testament authors simply refer to the event in Exodus.

a reply to: EasternShadow

While Proverbs 8 uses the term "her" to describe wisdom, it isn't wisdom that's capable of being sinned against as described below.

Proverbs 8:35-35

35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.

36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Here's what Jesus had to say in the New Testament...

John 8:24 - 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 11:25 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 10:32-33 - 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

a reply to: Deetermined
Proverb 8 is about the teaching of wisdom to all mankind.

John and Luke were teaching the way of Jesus to heaven.

Those two are not relevant to each other and serve different purpose.

Again, Proverb 8 in no way mentioned Jesus as the Wisdom of God. It only refer Wisdom as She.

originally posted by: EasternShadow
a reply to: Deetermined
The fact is, Moses only converse with God, YHWH. Not Jesus at Mount Sinai as stated by Exodus, which Matthew and Luke clearly referred to.

Jesus doesn't exist in Moses timeline. It was YHWH who instructed Moses to wrote the Ten Commandment. It was YHWH law written by Moses. Not Jesus. The New Testament authors simply refer to the event in Exodus.

I hate to break it to you, but Jesus was the angel of the LORD who spoke to Moses in the burning bush and communed with Abraham in Genesis 18 and 22 (which is why Abraham called him Lord). That's why Jesus said that before Abraham, was I am, in verse John 8:58. Jesus is the physical manifestation of God whether it's through the sound of his voice or physical manifestations in the form of an angel.

Jesus is God, but I don't expect you to have the wisdom to understand that since you're not familiar with the stories in the Bible and who said what.

John 1:18 - 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Exodus 6:3 - 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

originally posted by: EasternShadow
a reply to: Deetermined
Proverb 8 is about the teaching of wisdom to all mankind.

John and Luke were teaching the way of Jesus to heaven.

Those two are not relevant to each other and serve different purpose.

Again, Proverb 8 in no way mentioned Jesus as the Wisdom of God. It only refer Wisdom as She.

I'm not going to play the Joshua Cox game with you of explaining something to you only for you to ignore what I said and repeat yourself. Wisdom is not being referred to in Proverbs 8:35-36, even though it was referred to in the first few verses of the chapter. Also, the quotes given in the New Testament are from Jesus, not Luke or John. They gave people quotes that Jesus himself spoke to them.

Goodbye.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

So the little girl being molested by her step father or uncle sinned how???

So the child washed away in a tsunami, sinned how??


The toddler with cancer, sinned how??