The Bible Is All About Jesus Christ Being Exalted.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

yes we all have eternal life in us, but where you depend it is up to what you do with Jesus Christ.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Joshua do you Jesus Christ?

Koine Greek was common Greek, Aristocratic Greek is Classical Greek.

God preserved his word to this English Speaking Generation, and yes most people in the world are taught English as a second language, so more people understand it than you may think. And so God has preserved it and we have a book in our hands that is exactly the words the way God wants us to have them and they are found in one bible, all of them, in the AV Bible.

Stop looking for contradictions, errors and the like, and start seeking the Real truth, Jesus Christ.

Take the next year and read the AV Bible as many times as you can with one prayer to God Almighty, Jesus Christ in the flesh, and ask him every time to show you truth and be sincere about it.

a reply to: Woodcarver

You mean I could take someone else's idea of some scientific theory as fact as you do. And never come to any conclusions on my own.

But then again not one reply had been about the OP at all. Hem I wonder why.

Oh yeah, derail the thread so no one can discuss the OP.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Wonderful job of deflection but I can't really blame you knowing full well your sources lack any credibility.

Bringing up irrelevant subjects such as the Vatican & Gnostic sects while labeling facts as 'barbaric dogma' only hurts your own credibility.

Again, your "source" was quotes from other ATS members, so keep talking about my credibility.

Now logically, you realize why using The Bible to insist that Jesus should be exalted is a bit silly right? Aside from the unknown authorship issue, The New Testament was written with the intention of elevating Jesus to a higher-than-human status.

It's the equivalent of saying your high school football team is the best based on what you saw at a pep rally.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Neighbour. You claim that you have an education in scripture, yet you don't know the first thing about your new testament. As already pointed out, the old testament has no words from Jesus.

But lets go on.

So show me a first person account of Jesus?

I will not kneel before your deity. Just as you'd not swear fealty to Baldur, or Dyanosis, or Adonis etc

So you give it up dude. Or might you threaten me again?

a reply to: Woodcarver

I have done nothing horrible in my entire life. And all my sins are forgiven me forever because Jesus bore the penalty of death for my own sins on his cross and has placed them as far as the east is from the west.

The Bible Exalts Jesus and Jesus said so, and I found the verses that connect that truth.

The Earth is and always has been the place created for Jesus Christ to be exalted.But not a single post has been about the OP, and the only reason I can see is for derailment of the OP so no one can learn the truth of the preservation of the Bible in the Av Version.

I would be inclined to slightly disagree
The Bible Is All About Jesus Christ restoring the relationship between God and man, because He loves us.

originally posted by: Kukri
The bible is all about Jesus?

I have 2 words for you...

Old Testament!

The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament...

In the NT, Jesus refers to Himself using the same name that He gave Moses at the burning bush:

“I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!” John 8:58 NIV

John revealed a surprising truth in John 1:18: “No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him” (emphasis added throughout). Jesus also said, “And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form” (John 5:37).

These two scriptures teach us an important fact: The Father has not directly spoken to or been seen by any human being at any time. But if we look through the Old Testament, we see many occasions when God worked directly with human beings. If the One who revealed Himself to the patriarchs and Israel in the Old Testament was not the Father—then who was He?

The Word was, essentially, the being in the God family who served as the spokesman. He has always been responsible for communicating the will of the Father to human beings—during Old Testament and New Testament times.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). Yes, Jesus Christ claimed that He predated Abraham. But, in saying this, Jesus also gave a not-so-subtle clue about His identity that wasn’t lost on the angry Jews who surrounded Him. He referred to Himself as “I AM.” This was actually a divine title of God! When God had appeared to Moses from the burning bush, God had identified Himself as “I AM WHO I AM” and “I AM” (Exodus 3:14).

Jesus Christ Was the God of the Old Testament

It was the One who became Jesus Christ who literally walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He was the One who dealt directly with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was the One who spoke "face to face" with Moses (Numbers 12:8). He was the One who spoke the Ten Commandments from the top of Mount Sinai!

The Apostle John makes it clear that the One who became Jesus Christ existed from eternity: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:1–3).

Here John points out that the Word—the Logos or Spokesman—had been with God from the beginning. He was the creative agent—acting for God the Father in making everything that is.

Who Was the God of the Old Testament?

Jesus is saying ‘It is me, do you see in Genesis 1:26. Yes, me, I was with your ancestors right at the beginning when I made you in my image and likeness. I came to your ancestors, yes, me Jesus in Genesis 3:8 as the Lord God as I was walking in the garden in the cool of the day and your ancestors hid from me among the trees.

It was me Jesus who spoke to your ancestors saying “Where are you?” It was me, Jesus the Lord God, who made the garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. It was me, Jesus Christ your Lord God, who appeared with my two angels to meet Abraham near the great trees of Mamre. It was me, your Lord God Jesus Christ (YESHUA) in Exodus 6:2, when I said to Moses, I AM the LORD who appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Neighbour. You claim that you have an education in scripture, yet you don't know the first thing about your new testament. As already pointed out, the old testament has no words from Jesus.

But lets go on.

So show me a first person account of Jesus?

I will not kneel before your deity. Just as you'd not swear fealty to Baldur, or Dyanosis, or Adonis etc

So you give it up dude. Or might you threaten me again?

Its in there, but its pointless telling you, because you dont believe

Jesus in the Old Testament

By Walter C. Kaiser, Jr., Ph.D.,
President Emeritus

There is no finer teacher on whether Jesus is to be found in the pages of the Old Testament than the teaching of our Lord Jesus himself.

He it was who said in John 5:39, “You [Jewish people] diligently study the Scriptures [which at that time were the 39 books of the Tanak/Old Testament].... These are the Scriptures that tes- tify about me.” That should settle the question.

But even more famously, Jesus rebuked Cleopas, and that other unnamed disciple, as they walked along the road to Emmaus on that first Easter Sunday, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory? And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, [Jesus] explained to them what was said in all the [Old Testament] Scriptures concerning himself” (Luke 24:25-27).

Even King David predicted the resurrection of Jesus back in 1000 B.C. as he, too, saw what was ahead, namely, that Jesus would not be “abandon[ed] ... to the grave, nor [would he] let his Holy One see decay” (Ps 16:8-11; Acts 2:30- 31). Therefore, it is not unexpected that we, too, should find Jesus present in the events and the predictions found in the Old Testament.

www.gordonconwell.edu...

I just dont get why you come here and winge, bitch and moan all the time, Chester
You dont believe, pass on it, dont be that fundie atheist cry baby

You are as bad as fundie christians

a reply to: Noinden

you keep calling me neighbor, but I have seen no love from you to show me you are my neighbor.

What you lack is knowledge that the OT speaks of Jesus but not using his earthly name. He is found from the Beginning to the End, he is he Light of Genesis 1:3 and John 1, he was the angel that Jacob wrestled with in Genesis 32, he was he Angle of the Lord with his sword drawn in to slay Balaam but his ass saved his life in numbers 22, He is the Word in John 1:1 and Rev 19:13. He was the Lamb of God in John 1:29, 26 and the Lamb that was slain in Rev 5.

You see the scriptures were not about man finding in them everlasting life, though that is God's secondary reason for them, but his first and foremost was for his exaltation because God knew from before the earth ever was, from the beginning found in Prov 8:22, that he would send his own son to die the death for us so we could have eternal life in heaven and not in hell where we all deserve to be.

I will exalt him forever and he will be my God forever and we will explore the depths of the new heaven together. Not with technology or computers but by the Lord Gd almighty Jesus Christ who lives forever more.

a reply to: Raggedyman

.thumbs up Raggedyman, thumbs up

a reply to: ChesterJohn

No we will not. Just because you went nuts and found God(mental illness isn't god btw) doesn't mean we all have to fall for your club.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I would be inclined to slightly disagree
The Bible Is All About Jesus Christ restoring the relationship between God and man, because He loves us.

that too. that too.

a reply to: testingtesting

I didn't go nuts I became sane the day God spoke to me, and that I did not need to take my life but to open the Bible. It took 11 years for me to find the correct bible that as the preserved word. Because I believed God word that there was such a think in this generation as spoken of in Ps12:6,7.

My OP is not about anyone joining anything. It is about what I found according to the truth of Jesus own words that the Bible testifies of him. And I shown that is does.

What you do with Christ is all on you bud and no one else, except if you trust Christ as Personal Lord and saviour, then all of your life falls on him and his cross.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Which word??

The KJV??

The NIV???

The Mormon bible??

Exc.

You don’t get to claim inerrancy when there are a gajillion different versions of the Bible..


Those things do not mix...


You can’t have inerrancy AND have the gospels disagree about what dat the crucifixion happened...



I believe that Jesus probably existed and that the belief system of Christianity has constantly shifted.. you aren’t still burning witches after all ..

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Raggedyman

.thumbs up Raggedyman, thumbs up

Sorry, I said Chester in that reply when I meant Noindy, my bad, my apologies.

No excuses

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Which word??

The KJV??

The NIV???

The Mormon bible??

Exc.

You don’t get to claim inerrancy when there are a gajillion different versions of the Bible..


Those things do not mix...


You can’t have inerrancy AND have the gospels disagree about what dat the crucifixion happened...



I believe that Jesus probably existed and that the belief system of Christianity has constantly shifted.. you aren’t still burning witches after all ..

It doesnt matter what the errors or misunderstandings are in the book, Jesus died, He rose again, they all agree on the important parts
Just petty childish arguments about words to cause trouble.

Some christians worship the bible, others dont.
Why go on and on and drone about it Josh, dont have anything relevant to say.

You atheists still doing the Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot thing and slaughtering Billions

Only hing as bad as a christian fundie are atheist fundies like you..High horse along the moral road, yeah right...

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Noinden

Give it up dude Jesus Christ is real and you will kneel before him and answer for every idle word that proceeds out of your mouth. For what comes out of the mouth is what is in the heart. That is your hatred for him.

Sorry Chester this is what I'm talking about someone disagrees with you and you spout crap like this.
You should take note on the last bit you wrote you again show old school biblical venom in your posts.
Just stop with the threats using jesus he wouldn't approve.
Your truth isn't everyone's.

a reply to: Raggedyman

No they do not all agree on the main parts...

I would want to double check, but if I’m right most of the gospel’s authors DO NOT claim to have met jesus after the resurrection..


If you actually go through the Bible, NONE of the books claim to be first person accounts, nor do they claim to be from someone who was a eye witness.


Maybe the only gospel claiming to have met jesus post resurrection was John.. and John is widely agreed upon the latest gospel written down.... aka the least credible.

Like I said it’s fuzzy, but if you do a scholarly study, you would be suprised how few accounts claim to have actually seeen him post resurrection..


And I don’t buy Paul’s nor any other person claiming revelation...

That is exactly what Joseph Smith did, “ I know I never met jesus , but he told me in a dream that everyone should do whatever or say.” Is a super sketchy claim....

OBVIOUSLY....

a reply to: testingtesting

Hatred for him?!?!

People don’t hate what they don’t believe in..

No one hates the Easter bunny..

No one hates fictional characters..


Me thinks, you don’t like when faced with the contradictions of the Bible. So you start swinging wild hoping people will just shut up so you can ignore those contradictions..

PERIOD, the Bible wasn’t written by the first person sources.. it was almost certainly not written by people who interviewed first person sources..


The era’s equivalent of Shakespeare wrote the gospels and NT.. in Classical Greek.

Not Judean peasants in the vernacular Hebrew...

So looking for “truth” in close readings is fooling yourself..

It is fair to say the original themes have survived, but trying to examine every word is ridiculous. Because they are not the original words..