US quietly invades Syria.

I’m not under any illusions...the whole of our government is rotten to the core...and every branch of that poisonous tree...

There it is.
People keep placing these people into power.

a reply to: roadgravel

The Two Party + MSM System keeps spoon feeding US these "candidates" and we all keep arguing as if there are in fact "two" party's. No matter what decade, no which which "party" is at the helm, the same BS keeps playing out because the Wall Street + Bankster + MIC + IC System (AKA The Deep State) behind the Two Party + MSM Facade never changes.

US quietly invades Syria

Why not ? Looks like nearly everyone else is. Except not so quietly

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Too many people don't understand it or don't care. It's coming home to roost though.

a reply to: YouSir

Do you remember the Dixie chicks? Their careers were destroyed because they spoke against Bush war. This is 17 yrs later and people are starting to ask why.

a reply to: roadgravel

So, answer the question that was asked to you on the previous page.

Who exactly should have been voted in?

You cannot answer because you dont know, no one does. TPTB are going to do what they are going to do and if you get in their way you get stepped on. You might be voting for different fingers, but they are still part of the same fist that you`ll never see coming.

a reply to: StratosFear

Demanding I answer some question?

It appears you are supporting these life long politicians or one's that are supporting certain lines without questions.

Business as usual is the problem. But keep it going, it's working well isn't it.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Too many people don't understand it or don't care. It's coming home to roost though.

the number of people whose lives have been ended or ruined by being maimed in these conflicts, wars and manipulated rebellions, does not even begin to register in the human mind.

Al-Qaeda’s good one day, and Al-Qaeda’s bad the next day, its only what suits them to say and do in the circumstances that they are facing....
I think just about everyone reaches an age where it becomes pretty obvious that the deck is stacked.

a reply to: roadgravel
Has you NOT supporting them ever changed anything?? Your families non support? Your friends? co-workers??
Thought not. Our support is irrelevant. Unless we build ourselves to be successful and wealthy and setup our heirs with a plan and resources to become leaders of the future, it really does not matter how we feel. We will always just play follow the leader whether we like or agree with it or not.

SO, go USA, # # up wherever and whenever we can, because I would rather be stable at home, than have others repeat the formula here. The human condition baby, you got to love it. We could have sat out of both world wars, and eventually we would simply be answering to the Russians, Chinese, or Germans by now, instead of us keeping them on their toes. Better believe it, and come to terms with it.

a reply to: roadgravel

I made no demands, Im ASKING you the basic question.

Who should have been voted in according to you?

Are you not allowed to answer?

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Theprodicalson
Sounds like what Russia did with Crimea......

Only if the US troops annex a large part of Syria, which they are not going to do. Therefore nothing like Crimea. Nice try.

A small number of US personnel have operated in Syria for sometime. It ain't news. Killing off ISIS to protect Iraq. Many nations have deployed air-power to that end. Almost certainly unwittingly done Assad a favour.

Don't kid yourself US is there training terrorists. Well known fact.

a reply to: roadgravel


You can catch Syphilis or Gonorrhea, that's your free choice.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: roadgravel
Has you NOT supporting them ever changed anything?? Your families non support? Your friends? co-workers??
Thought not. Our support is irrelevant. Unless we build ourselves to be successful and wealthy and setup our heirs with a plan and resources to become leaders of the future, it really does not matter how we feel. We will always just play follow the leader whether we like or agree with it or not.

SO, go USA, # # up wherever and whenever we can, because I would rather be stable at home, than have others repeat the formula here. The human condition baby, you got to love it. We could have sat out of both world wars, and eventually we would simply be answering to the Russians, Chinese, or Germans by now, instead of us keeping them on their toes. Better believe it, and come to terms with it.

That's probably the truth. Truth isn't always good. Sort of like we have to kill to eat, generally. Might makes right.

I have respect for people who're willing to lose IT ALL just for peace of mind. They know the price to pay. But in practice, I don't think our civilization would exist if that's what we all did. Reality places demands on us and they can't all be avoided. This isn't a perfect world.

I don't think we're evil or anything. I just think there's a price to pay living this life. It's not free. It's not a game. It's live or die.

Stop voting for steaming piles of greedy warmongering s# just because you didn't like the other steaming pile of greedy warmongering s# because of party affiliation.
Assuming people in this country have any goddamn brain cells smashing together whatsoever between their ears, they'll scrutinize every candidate from here out before they vote to keep the status quo they adore bitching about. Don't like what the government does abroad? VOTE BETTER. See, this change in voting behavior works like saving f#ing pennies -- they add up to useful change.

originally posted by: Blueracer
Curious. This is found where, exactly?

Isaiah 17:1-14 - The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
Looking at the pictures of Damascus today, it is most definitely a pile of rubble, is it not ?

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Theprodicalson

Turkey invading is going to draw in the Iranians to protect Assad................... Bingo USA is there to chop the head off the snake. It's all about Iran, or at least that's the only conclusion I got to today as I'm stumped what's going on out there. All the big players getting their bit of the Middle East. It's all reminiscent of the scramble for Africa back in the day

I,m inclined to think Washington's going to commit and act of war against Syria so it can oust Assad and the other is to do everything they can for a very small but very powerful friend and try their best to draw Iran into the conflict so they can then bomb Iran back into the stone age like they have done to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Their very small but very powerful friend loves to be surrounded by broken states and rubble. Why? because such countries are severely weakened and cant offer much resistance to a country who has a very strong national identity, very strong sense of national pride, very strong national values and a very strong sense of their own future.

Such people are not about to give up their national dream of owning and ruling the world.

originally posted by: Nyiah
Stop voting for steaming piles of greedy warmongering s# just because you didn't like the other steaming pile of greedy warmongering s# because of party affiliation.
Assuming people in this country have any goddamn brain cells smashing together whatsoever between their ears, they'll scrutinize every candidate from here out before they vote to keep the status quo they adore bitching about. Don't like what the government does abroad? VOTE BETTER. See, this change in voting behavior works like saving f#ing pennies -- they add up to useful change.

Problem is candidates will run on a platform of non intervention then as soon as they get into office, backtrack.

Look at obama, he promised change yet he ended up causing just as much bloodshed than Bush.

Trump promised a end to nation building and unnecessary intervention......and here we are.

a reply to: Azureblue
The truth is Syria is already done. Turkey was promised alot of land for allowing psychos to pour through its borders under the previous admin. But the Russians threw a wrench into those gears. The USA (NATO) got its piece (Rojava East of Euphrates), the Russians kept theirs, Syria is 70% still under Assad, so he got most of his, Iran got a few slices, but we (USA) parked a FOB right on the road to the Mediterranean, so that pissed them off. Israel had fun sharing a peaceful border with terrorists for many years.

Turkey though expected to expand their borders much more than the little bit they grabbed with the FSA. When they heard the Pentagon mention a security force, they assumed that meant they were going to also take that piece of North Aleppo/Idlb under YPG not yet reached by Syria and got super pissy. After all, they were supposed to have more land!

This operation Olive Branch is simply their last ditch effort to grab the last remaining slice on the table for themselves. So far they got like two villages, and the UN is bringing them to the table tomorrow. Syria is allowing reinforcements to roll through their chunk of Aleppo from Manbij to provide extra support for Afrin.

See what happened was Syria and the Kurds in Afrin had an agreement to keep the area secure while they could focus on Idlib, which is contested territory held by bad guys. But the Turks misunderstood at the same time that the words that came out of the Pentagon came out wrong. The force was simply to maintain the borders of Rojava East of the River, and not Afrin canton which would go back to Syria once they get Idlib under control.

So now Assad is like "oh snap son, now I got to figure out how to stop them from grabbing more land from Idlib and what I thought was safe in Afrin?? WTF?!" Russia forced them to bite their tongue though as far as knocking their air out of the sky. US is like "oh man, dang, well our bad dude we had an error in communication. But ... we not going to stop you, just know we gave them alot of # thats going to bite." So Turkey is basically reaching for that last slice, but so far has grabbed like two crumbs. Don't expect them to even try in Manbij, DOD is certainly not playing that game. Although three YPG commanders were recently assassinated with a car bomb. Better believe MIT had something to do with it.

Don't expect to see FSA rolling in that direction though. Then they would not only be dealing with the Kurds, but the Syriac Military council as well. I also would not expect to see Pentagon just pull our guys out the way the Russians did from Afrin. We know how to put our foot down.

Anyways Turkey killed the internet in that area of operation and the only comms getting out from the Kurds is snail mail through through the SDF geting word back to Manbij most likely. Turks are loading the hell out of disinformation online right now though, and is literally 99% of everything you will see and hear related to that area only coming from them.

a reply to: worldstarcountry



I honestly think the USA should strike a deal with Syria , Russia and Iran.

Kurds get to establish a small independent state in the north of Syria with a USA base. A area which already outside Assads control.
In exchange Assad is left in peace by the USA and sanctions dropped plus Iran and Syria are left to sort out there own diplomatic relationship.

Everyone wins...... except turkey. But # turkey.

a reply to: Theprodicalson
Kurdish independence is not beholden to a single super state. The PKK guys in Turkey will eventually just move to either Iraqi Kurdistan, or Rojava , which is multi ethnic/religious enclave full of NATO support. I don't know much about the ones in Iran, but seeing as they have got it locked down pretty tight I doubt they will ever manage separation.

So for most of the rest of this century, Kurdistan will be limited to the two chunks in Northeast Syria, Northwest Iraq. But hey, at least they got it!