Israeli Medical Association rejects mandatory flu shots for doctors

a reply to: Agartha

So you did not read neither my statement that those research which say vitamin C does not help were made with low doses of vitamin c?

That article you link even says it. One of the trials involved only using testing 0.2 g/day of vitamin C. (about 200 mg a day which is too low) The trial your link calls "a high dose" was 8 g and it showed some good results. The problem is you cannot count the trials of low doses because low doses do not help, mega doses, or high doses of vitamin c is what does help. I also linked and excerpted more than two reports all showing that high doses of vitamin c do help reduce the intensity and the length of colds/flu. Not to mention other research which also stated vitamin c also helps with other forms of viral infections.

originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
a reply to: Azureblue

It also goes to prove they don't follow their oaths, because they care more about protecting themselves than the public.

very true, thanks

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
The problem is you cannot count the trials of low doses because low doses do not help, mega doses, or high doses of vitamin c is what does help.

Now, picking and choosing research to prove your point is trying to make the fantasy fit the facts. The fact is that current studies indicate Vit C is pointless at preventing and curing the common cold.

Not to mention other research which also stated vitamin c also helps with other forms of viral infections.

Expanding the point out from the common cold does not help. Vit C is essential for life and helps with the immune system and a range of other things. However, there is an industry of claims over its coverall benefit if you specifically "take it" as a supplement, from curing cancer, through boosting intelligence, to restoring sight and probably someone citing evidence that Vit C helps with regrowing limbs. Conversely, there are disbenefits from taking "too much" Vit C, such as those studies that show a higher incidence of kidney stones. On balance there is no effect whatsoever - positive or negative.

If you are worried and want to feed the supplement industry with cash, then take Vit C supplements, but you are only folling yourself. As with the claims that Vit C prevents/cures the common old, that is correct because Vit C helps with a healthy immune system, but it's incorrect that supplements are necessary, or even desirable.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
So you did not read neither my statement that those research which say vitamin C does not help were made with low doses of vitamin c?

Paraphi wrote an excellent reply to your comment above. But I want to add that so far all studies have shown oral administration of ascorbic acid provides no benefit to patients.

That article you link even says it. One of the trials involved only using testing 0.2 g/day of vitamin C. (about 200 mg a day which is too low) The trial your link calls "a high dose" was 8 g and it showed some good results.

The problem with that trial is that it happened in 1974 when the Vitamin C myth started. In recent times I have read lots of clinical trials for vitamin C involving all sort of diseases, and unfortunately none of them showed any benefits.

This is the 1974 study.

Vitamin C is an essential anti-oxidant and we definitely need it to be healthy, and we can ingest our daily intake through food only, no need to buy vitamin capsules. There is no doubt that dietary vitamin C can delay and even prevent (at times) the onset of infections, whether we are talking about the common cold or some types of influenza. However, once the infection has started and the patient is symptomatic, ingesting Vitamin C will not help at all and the person will need antiviral intravenous treatments.

Also, it is very common for lay people to believe that dietary vitamin C (regardless of doses) and intravenous ascorbic acid used in hospitals are the same, when they are not. They have completely different mechanism of actions, completely different pathophysiology.