Knights of Columbus 4th Degree

Originally posted by pbrez
Like I told Akilles on a U2U, so can I.

[edit on 22-2-2005 by pbrez]

Hehehe I think these guys just don't get what the point of a secret is

I think the problem is, we know lies start small.

And we shouldn't point such things out to new initiates, am I right?

Best to not spoil the symbolism for them?

He didn't ask me if I wanted to know what happened, he didn't ask if I was interested in joining, he wanted to prove a silly point they taught him at the lodge, feeling smart with word games.

Let me ask you, can you read the ritual which you have not yet undergone, if nothing else to ensure you actually want to progress with your degrees. Can you?

Originally posted by akilles
I think the problem is, we know lies start small.

And we shouldn't point such things out to new initiates, am I right?

Best to not spoil the symbolism for them?

He didn't ask me if I wanted to know what happened, he didn't ask if I was interested in joining, he wanted to prove a silly point they taught him at the lodge, feeling smart with word games.

Let me ask you, can you read the ritual which you have not yet undergone, if nothing else to ensure you actually want to progress with your degrees. Can you?

Absolutely. It's available all over the net. Admittedly it's not all that accurate, but it explains the basic jist of it. But it's ok to just take people's word for it and go with the flow. It makes the experience much better. What you don't understand is that none of these guys, nor the fraternity, have ever done ANYTHING to make me feel like I can't trust them. You inherently dont trust anyone, and that's why you live your life making up silly number games to try and prove conspiracies.



[edit on 24-2-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by akilles
I think the problem is, we know lies start small.

And we shouldn't point such things out to new initiates, am I right?

Best to not spoil the symbolism for them?

He didn't ask me if I wanted to know what happened, he didn't ask if I was interested in joining, he wanted to prove a silly point they taught him at the lodge, feeling smart with word games.

Let me ask you, can you read the ritual which you have not yet undergone, if nothing else to ensure you actually want to progress with your degrees. Can you?

What lies are you talking about? Are you saying I am lying because I won’t tell you the ceremonies of the Knight of Columbus? Also I don’t ask you to join because you have to be Catholic to join and as you stated in several threads you are not. Finally read up on the Knights and see what we are about because you seem confused. For one we don’t have lodges only halls and not every council has a hall. My council meets in the parish center. Has for secrecy of the degrees those are the only secrets of the knights. Are meetings are not secret our events are not secret no just relax and stop being paranoid.

Originally posted by akilles

Let me ask you, can you read the ritual which you have not yet undergone, if nothing else to ensure you actually want to progress with your degrees. Can you?

If you don't want to progress you don't take the degree, you can't look at the degree work beforehand, no. Degree ceremonials are not for the eyes of those of a lesser degree.

English/Welsh fishermen visited Newfoundland long before Christopher Columbus or John Cabot crossed the Atlantic. They kept knowledge of its VAST ABUNDANCE of fish a secret, a trade secret if you will.

“Bristol merchants bought salt cod in Iceland until the King of Denmark stopped the trade in 1475,” he said.

“In 1479, four Bristol merchants received a royal charter to find another source of fish and trade.

“Not until 1960 did someone find bills of trading records indicating that Richard Amerike was involved in this business. Records show that in 1481, Amerike shipped a load of salt (for salting fish) to these men in Newfoundland and I believe the Bristol sailors named the area after the Bristol merchant they worked for – Richard Amerike.”

In addition, it is believed that Cabot’s famous voyage to the New World on the Matthew was directly financed by Amerike.

So there we have it, America is actually the name of the British Royal family, signifying their control over it, even after its so called 'Declaration of Independence'.

And Columba is still the Goddess Isis, symbolized as the Holy Spirit in Christianity, and so the Knights of Columba are equally pagan as their Knights Templar forefathers. No point in denying it.

Originally posted by akilles
English/Welsh fishermen visited Newfoundland long before Christopher Columbus or John Cabot crossed the Atlantic. They kept knowledge of its VAST ABUNDANCE of fish a secret, a trade secret if you will.

“Bristol merchants bought salt cod in Iceland until the King of Denmark stopped the trade in 1475,” he said.

“In 1479, four Bristol merchants received a royal charter to find another source of fish and trade.

“Not until 1960 did someone find bills of trading records indicating that Richard Amerike was involved in this business. Records show that in 1481, Amerike shipped a load of salt (for salting fish) to these men in Newfoundland and I believe the Bristol sailors named the area after the Bristol merchant they worked for – Richard Amerike.”

In addition, it is believed that Cabot’s famous voyage to the New World on the Matthew was directly financed by Amerike.

So there we have it, America is actually the name of the British Royal family, signifying their control over it, even after its so called 'Declaration of Independence'.

And Columba is still the Goddess Isis, symbolized as the Holy Spirit in Christianity, and so the Knights of Columba are equally pagan as their Knights Templar forefathers. No point in denying it.

Hey Akilles, I have an idea. How about if, instead of just spouting out your usual dribble, you provide solid evidence of your above claims? Links and/or reference to documents, books and page numbers will be sufficient.

The word "Iran" comes from the word "Aryan."

The Black people spanned from Africa to America to Fiji, to India. Only Europe and China were not populated by the Blacks prior to the Middle Ages (LONG prior).

Think about it. Ancient Egypt. Black. In their art, they portrayed their women as fair-skinned, and we all know they did not portray their pharaohs as they ACTUALLY looked, but as perfect as possible.

(To the Americas) Although major aspects of Olmec culture and history remain vague, enough has been recovered to demonstrate a significant African presence in the Americas many centuries before the advent of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Some scientists are convinced that the African presence among the Olmecs was confined to a small and highly-influential elite community.

Native legends of the Americas abound with the exploits of early Black people. In the Southwest Indian story of the Emergence, a story that is as important in the region as the Book of Genesis is to Christians, the First World is called the Black World!

In fact, even China has evidence of Black culture: "Scientists and archeologists who have studied ancient Black Shang Dynasty culture, point their origins in Cameroon, then through Nubia-Kush, Mesopotamia and China. This is a migration that occurred about six thousand years ago, however, it is factual that at least by 2800 B.C., an individual of the Black 'Bak" tribes who lived in Mesopotamia led a number of people to settle on the Loh River Valley in China. One thing is certain. There is an ancient city in Cameroon called Anyang, and there is an ancient Chang city in China called Anyang as well. Many Bantu words found around the Nigeria-Cameroon-Congo region sound identical to Chinese words, including actual names."

In a book published some 80 years ago came the revelation: in One Hundred Amazing Facts About the Negro is by the English scholar and traveler Samuel Purchas (ca. 1575-1626)). According to Rogers, Purchas claimed that "of all (the kings of Ethiopia), Ganges was most famous, who with his Ethiopian army passed into Asia and conquered all as far as the River Ganges, to which he left that name."

And that Beethoven was atleast a Dark Mulatto, being called `The Black Spaniard.'" Interesting, as most pictures of him are white as snow.

Most interesting is the story of Minoan Crete. Of course, we have all heard of the story of the Minotaur, that originates from here. But we are all told it is a Greek tale... An adopted Greek tale, yes.
"Minoan Crete, the forerunner of Greek civilization, is the earliest known European high-culture.

Although modest in size, Crete exercised immeasurable influence on the Aegean archipelago, Western Asia and the Greek mainland. Throughout Crete the vestiges of complex palaces, paved highways, aqueducts, terra-pipes for drainage, and irrigation canals provide plentiful proof of Minoan ingenuity in the areas of scientific and technical innovation. The Minoans possessed registed trademarks, uniform weights and measures, calendrical systems based on precise astronomical observations and advanced writing systems. "

An archaelogist working on Crete was particularly struck by the similarities in the contents of the of the tombs of the ancient Minoans and Egyptians (who we just covered, were actually Black).

Behold:

How America got its name.
First, the official version.

"Vespucci sailed with Columbus in 1499 and determined that America was a separate continent, not part of Asia as Columbus had believed.

Martin Waldseemüller, a German map-maker, published a world map in 1507 using Vespucci's documents. The theory suggests that Waldseemüller assumed that the "America" that Vespucci used was derived from his first name.

Waldseemüller provided an explanation of this assumption as an attachment to the map. Vespucci himself never stated that this was the case.

There were immediate protests from Columbus' supporters to get the continent renamed for Columbus, but attempts were unsuccessful, since 1,000 copies had been made, it was too late; the name America was now firmly associated with the entire northern and southern continent across the Atlantic from Europe.

So we are stuck with the name America 500 years later for an expanse of land HOW MASSIVE because of 1000 maps, that the mapmaker thought was derived from the 'rightful discoverer's first name'.

FIRST FACT: Alberigo Vespucci. Ever heard of him? Well, its what he called himself, so its kind of strange, that we dont remember him and Colon (Columbus) as they remembered themselves, isn't it.

Second FACT: The Amerike family of Bristol, Wales, sponsored John Cabot's voyage to the New World. Cabot sailed to Newfoundland. There is EVIDENCE that fishermen were sailing to Newfoundland long before Cabot, and trading with Richard Amerike! The existence of the New World was an Amerikan SECRET, you could say!

And their family crest, why... As affirmed in the British Library (of Family Crests) confirm that the Stars and Stripes was the coat-of-arms of the Ap Merike family. It is surely more than a coincidence that the flag of the United States of America is based on the design of Amerike's coat-of-arms. The name AND the flag!

And if you disagree with the evidence, you have stopped reading. If not, feel free to give input, or ask questions.

I would like book names, links, etc. I know a lot of what you are saying is true. (History A level and all as well as planning on doing it at Degree level, but you need to put down some hard evidence. I can hunt through my books, and find some records as well.)

Originally posted by Odium
I would like book names, links, etc.

Would you like them for anything specific?

I know a lot of what you are saying is true.

Whew! That's a relief!

(History A level and all as well as planning on doing it at Degree level, but you need to put down some hard evidence.

Uhm....is that an English statment? If so...what exactly does it mean?

I can hunt through my books, and find some records as well.)

Please do that and report back to us. I'm sure we anxiously await...