Alternative News, Why would Syria cut it nose to spite its face?

U.S. Warns of U.N. Penalties After Lebanon Killing

After reading that, consider this. Syria is more intelligent than to do that because they know what the response would've been like, such as it is. So, the question I pose to my peers here at ATS is, is this a manipulation by U.S., Israel, or a assasination by Syria without care of international consequence? Syria has enough intelligence to know not to do anything terrorist-like at the moment, don't underestimate the intelligence of people in Arab countries just because the TV portrays them as screaming hyena's.

Before you spout your opinion, ponder this quote:

"[Television is] the triumph of machine over people."-Fred Allen (1894 - 1956)

Syria may very well be next. Biblical prophecy calls for the destruction of Damascus, probably before the Gog Magog war:

1 An oracle concerning Damascus:
    "See, Damascus will no longer be a city
    but will become a heap of ruins.

Isaiah 17:1

An interpretation may be, if this is truly leading up to the end times, that Syria will be next before any Iranian operation takes place.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Syria may very well be next. Biblical prophecy calls for the destruction of Damascus, probably before the Gog Magog war:

1 An oracle concerning Damascus:
"See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.

Isaiah 17:1

An interpretation may be, if this is truly leading up to the end times, that Syria will be next before any Iranian operation takes place.

I'm going to church Sunday so the rapture takes me. After five years of not going to Church. Do people still dress-up and gossip at Church? I wish they'd make dressing-up for social occassions a sin, I'd respectfully not indulge in that sin.

Hey, I finally figured out why Bush hates Chirac, your avatar says it all. Frenchy tried to steal his woman!

[edit on 01/27/2005 by TheBigD]

Originally posted by TheBigD
I'm going to church Sunday so the rapture takes me. After five years of not going to Church. Do people still dress-up and gossip at Church? I wish they'd make dressing-up for social occassions a sin, I'd respectfully not indulge in that sin.
[edit on 01/27/2005 by TheBigD]

Practice a faith, not a religion. Yes, some churches are big dress-up contests and gossip meetings, but not all of them. The best thing to do at a new church is to try and identify good sincere people and form friendships with them outside of church.
I learned more about faith over a chessboard from an old Navy officer than I ever learned from most pastors.

There are many groups active in that region , including the CIA and Mosad so its anybody's guess.

But make no mistake this is a very dangerous attempt of political engineering irrespective of who DUNE it.

Rationales And Sensibilities

al-Hariri is almost certainly a man Syria and its allies wanted dead, and their opponents wanted very much alive.

As an asset to anti-Syrian interests in Lebanon, including the U.S., al-Hariri was virtually indispensable.

With his resources, talent and personal power, this is the guy you want on your side to get the Syrians out, and his death is a major blow to the Lebanese resistance of the Syrian occupation.

So theories suggesting the U.S. or anyone but a Syrian-aligned interest killed him are extremely suspect.

My opinion is also influenced by information which you should consider extremely unreliable, but the reason they took this guy out now is that he was key to impending operations to do just that: begin moving Syria out of Lebanon.

Syria did see this guy as a threat, and killing him removes a powerful player on the opposing team.

However, whether they did it or not, they will suffer the consequences of his death.


[edit on 2/15/2005 by Majic]

I'm with Majic on this one. Some of the subtleties of politics seem to be lost on middle eastern politicians because they have never had much chance to practice it. Everyone just bullies everybody else around over there- even Western nations make like it was the wild west in that part of the world. This has created force-oriented politicans over there. The thinking is "they're out to get me, they're not bluffing, we better hit them."

Besides, America doesn't need a reason to invade Syria. They are occupying another nation and supporting terrorism, and if nobody believes that Bush doesn't care. We need a Lebanese yelling "help me" a lot more than we need a martyr.

Originally posted by TheBigD
After reading that, consider this. Syria is more intelligent than to do that because they know what the response would've been like, such as it is.

Good call BigD - my radar started twitching the moment I read this in another newspaper. I mean, within hours they're pointed the finger at Syria.

Sounds like another problem-reaction-solution scenario. One that'll get two birdies with one stone...Syria and Iran.

Stay tuned...

Fox News is reporting that the US is withdrawing it's ambassador to Syria and will close the US embassy in Syria.

Closing the embassy could be a step towards further isolation of Syria and a step towards military action in Syria.

From watching Fox News in recent months and their constant mentioning of Syria in the news as supporters of terrorism and allegations of support of the insurgency in Iraq, I would say they've been wanting a war in Syria for a while and this incident gives more support for a potential war.

A problem-reaction-solution scenario as mentioned by AlwaysLearning.

Originally posted by AceOfBase

A problem-reaction-solution scenario as mentioned by AlwaysLearning.

Will there ever be a point where the American people will be outraged...hasn't the government already bitten off more than it can chew?

Are people that dumbed down? If so, the government must be doing the happy dance behind closed doors.

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
Will there ever be a point where the American people will be outraged...hasn't the government already bitten off more than it can chew?

Are people that dumbed down? If so, the government must be doing the happy dance behind closed doors.

On to more important aspects of your question:
1. No America hasn't bitten off more than it can chew, it's just not trying to chew it. This administration doesn't want to chew up the terrorists, it just wants to suck up no-bid contracts and sweetheart deals to make the silent partners rich. The War on terror would dang near be over by now if we'd done it right. We should have taken a bit over 500,000 troops and started right at the source- Saudi Arabia, and marched straight through Iraq and Iran to Afghanistan when we were done with them.
We should have completely forsaken any rights to contracts in the rebuilding, kept our hands out of the economic side of things, and let the UN worry about reforming the governments. If we were really going to fight a war on terror we should at least have fought in such a way as to truly undermine terrorist groups. The only thing worse than starting a war is starting a war and handling it stupidly, right?

2. I don't know if the people are that "dumbed down" so much as just sedated. There is a large population that will believe whatever Fox News or Michael Moore tells them, but I believe there is a strong and potent "thinking middle" between the two parties which to some degree understands what is going on. Unfortunately rebellion simply isn't practical because 1. the system seems too big to fight. 2. Nobody listens to a call for political change- Ross Perot took a stab at it and did better than anyone ever could have dreamed, but even for him the support just wasn't there- nevermind that he would have won the election if America had voted its conscience.
I think I'm a pretty good example of the sedated "thinking middle". I have at least some understanding of whats going on and whats wrong with it, and truth with the beliefs that I hold, I really should be fighting my government. I'm a smart guy with friends and a knowledge of weapons and tactics- I could go probably organize the capture, improvised trial, and execution of a few corporate fascists before the SSB caught me and sent me to Gitmo. But realistically, I've work in a decent trade, have a decent home, there's a REALLY good Chinese restraunt right down the street, and I get to hang out on ATS and read and all that good stuff in my spare time. I don't wanna give up all that and go to jail and be raped just to take a small stand that nobody will support!
So thats whats going on. There's a silent plurality (probably not quite a majority) that is sitting around thinking the far left and right should go to hell, but they can't do much about it because nobody will cooperate with peaceful change and forceful change wouldn't succeed.

EDIT: I should clarify that I realize most people aren't as militant as I am and the "thinking middle" as a whole probably wouldn't advocate violence. I'm just saying that there is a middle that would want to push for change if there was a viable way to do it. In my own personal opinion, it wouldn't be a bad idea to do it by force if necessary, but that's just me. I think failing to fight against evil is just as evil as fighting itself.

[edit on 15-2-2005 by The Vagabond]

Second edit for spelling and to take out political joke which distracted from the point.

[edit on 15-2-2005 by The Vagabond]

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
Are people that dumbed down? If so, the government must be doing the happy dance behind closed doors.

If Canada were ruled by greedy corporate interests, Canadians would also be "dumbed down". We can't contol them, they make our lives too busy to care about trying to protest, or find ways to control them.

I believe this assasination was carried out by others... not Syria. The motive.... I don't know....just seems crazy for them to do this. Can't find a logical motive.
A logical motive:
So this is the second leader to die in the Middle East within what.. two months. And Sadam is history ...so three all together....in the corporate world it is called corporate cleaning. If you want to control your office you clean out the people that are uncontrolable... and if you want to control
countries you get those out that are strong minded.

But then on another note it could be a ploy to blaime another country like the U.S.

Things are heating up among US officials.
They are talking about tougher sanctions against Syria and a possible military incursion into Syria.
This is just what the US wanted.

Reuters

Asked if the United States was getting closer to imposing new sanctions on Syria, Boucher said: "We are indeed concerned about many aspects of Syrian behavior. The longer we go on without seeing some significant progress ... the more likely it becomes that we will look to the various tools that we have, including the Syria Accountability Act, to impose further measures."

The State Department designates Damascus as a sponsor of terrorism and as such has subjected it to limited sanctions for years. Bush imposed additional measures last year that prohibit exports to Syria of most goods.

A wide range of new options, from additional financial sanctions to authorizing military "hot pursuit" operations across Iraq's border with Syria, have been under discussion, officials have said.

WOW..... Starting to look like the US was behind the assasination, call them terriorist and then come in and take over.....


Thanks Ace of Base

Originally posted by ms_Bhavn
WOW..... Starting to look like the US was behind the assasination, call them terriorist and then come in and take over.....

It may have been the Israeli Mossad as suggested by others in this forum.
The US is probably just helping them out and will more than likely be the ones to actually send the troops into Syria.

Possible...But this just gives the US the go ahead to go in and start a conflict.

It's all so sudden...like it was already on their agenda

[edit on 15-2-2005 by ms_Bhavn]

If Syria wanted to cripple its opposition it would not take out the head, the brain. If Syria wanted to cripple opposition it would take out the arms and legs of the opposition. (Physical analogy) Then they would slowly let the body deteriorate.
Anyways, here is the latest on the AP:

Lebanon to Bury Hariri as Pressure on Syria Builds
Yahoo! News
BEIRUT - International pressure mounted on Syria to ease its grip over Lebanon as stunned Lebanese prepared to bury slain former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri on Wednesday.
The Sunni Muslim billionaire's death in a car bomb attack on Monday has revived memories of a 1975-90 civil war and spotlighted Lebanon's troubled ties with its powerful neighbor.
The United States on Tuesday recalled its ambassador to Syria for urgent consultations to show its anger at Syrian dominance of its tiny neighbor.
U.S. officials said they are considering imposing new sanctions on Syria because of its refusal to withdraw its 14,000 troops from Lebanon and the administration's belief that Syria lets Palestinian militants and Iraqi insurgents operate on its soil.

Notice it says "and the administration's belief". The belief of the administration has led us into too many embarassments in my opinion. Four more years of embarassment and unjustified deaths, thank you 51% of america. I'm proud to be the 49%. (Ralph got less than 1%)


[edit on 01/27/2005 by TheBigD]

Vagabond-
You are spot on there. To my mind follow the money and you'll find the guilty parties. Just the mere fact that the same country who caused the damage is reaping the benefits of supplying the war and of the rebuilding contracts....talk about conflicts of interest. Take a look at who stands to gain from the actions...

The whole war on terror is about lining the pockets of the same people/corporations/bankers. Over and over and over...and you know what, the same has been true all through time. It doesn't matter who wins or who loses...the money will be safely squirreled away.

Handling the war stupidly just keeps it going, month after month, year after year. The longer is goes on, the more $$ to be made. The whole war on terror is a sham as far as I'm concerned.

I think we are all guilty of not questioning our governments enough, taking things at face value and not reading between the lines. I was kind of dumbed down at first, though I never bought the iraq invasion at all and new it was an excuse to get into the middle east. At first I thought Michael Moore was on the money with his finger pointing at Bush. More recently I begin to understand that there are more sinister forces at work behind the scenes...and I think the key to fighting ignorance is understanding what forces are at play. It means discecting everything we hear or read...not just believing the mainstream media. We need to know who controls the mainstream media and that they will tell us what they want us to know.

I tellya once your eyes are open life is difficult, you can't continue to be sedated. Just about everything smells fishy to me these days. And spending time on ATS serves two purposes for me...I keep on learning and broadening my horizons from those who have something to offer me, and I recognize those who are dumbed down or just plain brainwashed. I don't pretend to understand everything going on in the world, but things are much clearly to me now that I know that everything is connected...and has been all through history. Its all about the money...


[edit on 15/2/05 by AlwaysLearning]

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Looks like this maybe a reason to stir up trouble in Lebanon against Syria. Too bad Putin is not bowing down to the Zionist. The only leader with gonads.