Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

originally posted by: The GUT
As far as your last statement: Do you have a working list you would share?

Not yet, but creating a list of UFO/abduction researchers linked at various times to Bigelow is on my ufological "to do" list. It would be a fairly long list.

I'm looking into this at the moment because of the links between Roger Leir and Bigelow which are relevant to, well, stuff.

(To be bit more precise, those links are relevant to the issues regarding isotope ratios and metamaterials that I've been digging into recently and which will be the focus of the thread I'm researching/writing).

If John Mack has been co-opted in this I would feel a little concerned. I've misplaced my copy of Abduction but intend to go through it again very soon as it literally changed my outlook on life, it opened a door.

His research even though based on anecdotal reports and regressions, was thorough and thought provoking and much like Rick Strassman's pioneering work with D MT it leads directly up to where we are now. If he was given the green lights or greenbacks by Bigelow based on his own work then great, but if it was to twist things then not so great.

I like Bigelow, he seems honest but business is business and as long as the real research is being done and no one is harmed, let's see what happens.

a reply to: IsaacKoi

I didn't remember Alexander's presentation, but that just goes to show how unreliable memory can be.

a reply to: mirageman

"No hot dogs either.

I suspect that Tom's 'Our Two Dogs' exists as some kind of financial container for tax avoidance purposes. DeLonge runs 16 listed companies. "

I have absolutely confirmed it. There are no Hot Dogs, and never have been.

More to follow on BadUFOs.com

originally posted by: RobertSheaffer
a reply to: mirageman

"No hot dogs either.

I suspect that Tom's 'Our Two Dogs' exists as some kind of financial container for tax avoidance purposes. DeLonge runs 16 listed companies. "

I have absolutely confirmed it. There are no Hot Dogs, and never have been.

More to follow on BadUFOs.com

BadUFOs? Now wait a minute… don’t blame the capsule. As far as we know it didn’t do anything wrong. The only things it did was fly away from two F18’s and remain unidentifiable. Maybe it broke some laws by not having a transponder nor any visible markings. How bad is that?

What about BadHotDogs? Or BadResearch? BadPreparation maybe? BadIdea?

The last 2 pages have been great,

Thanks

There was the question, why some many geneticists are involved in the TTSA.
Here is an article by TTSA-teammember Gary Nolan, which seem to imply that he believes the human DNA was "designed" by an intelligence:

www.sciencedirect.com...

originally posted by: TheMadScientist2
There was the question, why some many geneticists are involved in the TTSA.
Here is an article by TTSA-teammember Gary Nolan, which seem to imply that he believes the human DNA was "designed" by an intelligence:

www.sciencedirect.com...

Are you sure that's the correct link?

While it discusses the probability of DNA being of intelligent design it appears to have been authored by Vladimir Scherbak and Maxim A.Makukov (Kazakhstan Scientists) not Garry Nolan.

AH sorry thanks for correcting this. .. it is not his article , but gary Nolan brought this article up as a reaction to the NY times article



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originally posted by: TheMadScientist2
AH sorry thanks for correcting this. .. it is not his article , but gary Nolan brought this article up as a reaction to the NY times article



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Oh man, now I really don't respect this bunch.

I'm perfectly willing to entertain the possibility that we are simulations..
the math would seem to be supportive so far..

But finding intelligent design in DNA sickens me.. human DNA has been
examined up one side and down another.. and there has been no such
finding.

Religious and mystical scientists can put their thumbs on the scale,
if not careful.

Kev

originally posted by: RobertSheaffer
a reply to: mirageman

"No hot dogs either.

I suspect that Tom's 'Our Two Dogs' exists as some kind of financial container for tax avoidance purposes. DeLonge runs 16 listed companies. "

I have absolutely confirmed it. There are no Hot Dogs, and never have been.

More to follow on BadUFOs.com

No hot dogs but a very suspect tic tac that exhibits even more strangeness in its pedigree than it does in flight characteristics. And the cut-out hot dog stand says, Bon Appetit!

Whether just a tax cut-out by a bright musician, ahem, or maybe even some financial coaching by the one agency that actually turns a profit and knows just how much lateral movement shells provide. I think Tom has had some interesting friends for awhile. If so, he's in over his head to some degree. He's not tall enough for that ride.

I did pop over to your blog to see how you confirmed there were no hotdogs and found the following:

Elizondo said that with the Pentagon AATIP program, "we got very clever" in managing our resources after funding was cut off. "Duel use" is the relevant phrase. He said that he had purposely steered away from reading UFO books, so as not to prejudice himself on the subject. (Thus he is unfamiliar with UFO history, with its long history of misperceptions, hoaxes, and self-delusions.) As for the statement in the New York Times article that the supposed UFO artifacts contain unknown "alloys," that is not correct, he explained. But they do (allegedly) contain anomalous isotope ratios (a claim we have heard before regarding other supposed alien samples). What I thought was most interesting, he said his job is "Director of Security" at To The Stars Academy, protecting persons and things. So his background (such as it is) in managing UFO investigations is not directly relevant to his job. He is, in essence, their Bouncer. 


The last speaker of the session was Nick Pope. "Nick will be sharing his thoughts and insight into the recently unveiled Department of Defense Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Although Nick has not been involved with the DoD’s program, his unique experience allows him to give an informed overview of the program from the perspective of someone who ran a similar program in the UK." He noted that, within government there are believer factions and skeptic factions, and I think this is quite correct. We have seen these "believer factions" before, with the CIA people involved in NICAP, with the Pentagon "remove viewing" programs, and the Men Who Stare at Goats. Pope suggested the possibility that there could be more secret government UFO investigations that we haven't discovered yet. Maybe?

LINK

Bolding mine above: One could say generally the same folk and not be wrong. And if history counts for anything, they've never disclosed anything.

I always like to remind folk, too, that post 9/11 many contracts opened up in the private aspect of the military-industrial-complex. Some of that is research. Some of that is research being put into practice. These guys are part of that revolving door. I think it almost always plays that way when they show up.

a reply to: The GUT

It would seem that "spooks" are equally guilty of selection bias
as any other group of humans.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

But finding intelligent design in DNA sickens me.. human DNA has been
examined up one side and down another.. and there has been no such
finding.

Religious and mystical scientists can put their thumbs on the scale,
if not careful.

Good thing your opinion is not the cosmic arbiter. Occam and the fact that even science can't describe DNA without putting it in terms of design and function is a fair clue. We can argue the cause of the "intelligent design" but that it's there seems pretty strong. Of course, I'm not the cosmic arbiter either.

And then there's that pesky "consciousness." Weightless, massless, responsible for all civilization as we know and have known it. If you corner a materialist at a cocktail party just talk about consciousness and take note of the glaring hole.

I haven't read this article y'all are referencing though. Just my own thoughts on the subject.

A lot of this crew, as we know, have lifelong experience and interest in both science and mysticism. When science does address consciousness, for some of them, it starts to naturally lean towards the quantum or esoteric. In some ways, I think they are on the right track. It's looks like that some form of the IDH is where TTS is going with this.

On the other hand there's that biological sciences-heavy aspect. And that screams, to me, a search for something else. Something to do with humans. Something to do with full-spectrum dominance.

a reply to: The GUT

But that's not logic.
We describe DNA putting it in terms of function and Design, because that's how we approach the world, "how does it look?" & "what does it do?" is saying something about how we perceive it, not how it came to be.
That's quite the leap.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Science has confirmed that our DNA has not been altered, at all? How do they know? I am probably out of my depth here but I thought that all of our supposed ancestors were all identified with having 2 pairs of 24 chromosomes for a total of 48, but we humans only have 46 with the 2nd pair apparently fused together. Does this type of fusion appear anywhere else in nature? Why are we so different with 46?

When they started looking at the mitochondrial DNA, they discovered that humans suddenly appeared on earth no earlier than 200,000 years ago.

Edit to add:
Also, what about the vast amount of genetic disorders humans have? What is it, somewhere around 4600? Do any of our ancestors show these type of defects? How about the other mammals out there? If we are a progression of darwin evolution, why do we have so many genetic issues?

originally posted by: TheMadScientist2
AH sorry thanks for correcting this. .. it is not his article , but gary Nolan brought this article up as a reaction to the NY times article



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Interesting twitter exchange. It's an answer to the question from Nolan at least.

I'm not sure that "genetics" is what the TTS Board specializes in however.

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: RobertSheaffer
a reply to: mirageman

"No hot dogs either.

I suspect that Tom's 'Our Two Dogs' exists as some kind of financial container for tax avoidance purposes. DeLonge runs 16 listed companies. "

I have absolutely confirmed it. There are no Hot Dogs, and never have been.

More to follow on BadUFOs.com

No hot dogs but a very suspect tic tac that exhibits even more strangeness in its pedigree than it does in flight characteristics. And the cut-out hot dog stand says, Bon Appetit!

Behold, the TicTac!


AV Club ran a piece on Tom the other day. here.

Regarding the DNA stuff - there has been some recent talk about biological SETI and panspermia...but that tends to revolve around microorganisms, and hardy ones at that. Humans are kind of the last place to look for that kind of thing. Zubrin was writing about it recently.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You don’t think DNA was designed intelligently?


I wonder how it would look if it were designed ignorantly?


That is if one can design anything ignorantly

“Creation” as we understand it just might be a replication of something therefore the atheists and the ID believers may both be right.


And we’ll never find the origin of any creation, only locally--maybe.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You don’t think DNA was designed intelligently?


I wonder how it would look if it were designed ignorantly?


That is if one can design anything ignorantly

It wasn't designed. Neither intelligently nor ignorantly.