Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Willtell

I would compare this in some ways to the WWE. A sort of UFO/Paranormal Theme Park Entertainment Organisation.

How entertained have we all been since they launched in October 2017?

a reply to: RobertSheaffer

Interesting.

Especially the link between dreams and remote viewing which (given the presence of Puthoff in all this) seems relevant.

There is also Dr Paul Rapp. He is the "consciousness" expert of TTSA and if you check out his bio most of his published work seems to be about brain functions and neurology.

He has also received a Certificate of Commendation from the Central Intelligence Agency for “significant contributions to the mission of the Office of Research and Development". So the CIA link is, again, pretty clear.

I wonder what the "significant contributions" were.

Cheers,

BT

You have corrupted me.

I couldn't resist.

a reply to: mirageman

In all these UFO groups, sometimes it's religious content or occult content….All of this extraneous stuff exists because of the gaping hole in UFOlogy( OUR IGNORANCE) has people groping in the dark...

This group reminds me of the Nasrudin fable

A man loses his keys on the eastern side of a large room... he begins to search for them on the western side and when asked why he’s looking for the lost item on the opposite side of the area he lost them, he says,

"Because there’s more light over here"

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

All hail the Mighty Zondo, Emperor of the Hot God Stand I see before me Kev?

You do know that an anagram of Luis Elizondo is 'Zeus O'Nil Idol'?

Wait a minute, are we being a little too harsh on TTSA?


I know I’m as rough on them as anyone, but are we being too hard on them?

I try to highlight their good parts.

All two of em!

a reply to: Willtell

I respect the research being done.. the research that they don't talk about publicly.

But the public stuff is all spin so far.

a reply to: Springer

I would suggest the CE should be left alone. Probably best not to make waves there.

Their "egregore" looks like a light blue pointy witch's hat with the edge of the brim upturned vertically as a wall.

The ancient Greeks who brought structured intellectualism to the western world are their "children".

Homer's description of Pallas Athene is about right, Homer understood their nature. They are also perfectionists with an intollerance to imperfection in others. That is the nature of the Greek gods.

But of the CE, I suggest not ruffling those feathers.

(bow's out after intruding.)

a reply to: Whatsthisthen


For clarity:

Titans - subjugated by Olympians.

Ancient Greeks - children of Olympus.

CE - grand children of Olympus.

Children always think they are smarter then and can out do their parents.

What's in the hat? A new god to displace Olympus. They want to do to Olympus what Olympus did to Titan.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


You do know that an anagram of Luis Elizondo is 'Zeus O'Nil Idol'?

Hahahaha, wow....holy false idols of Zeus, batman! This is all greek to me.

originally posted by: TheMadScientist2
a reply to: theruthlessone

During our research programm for these books one of us - Tom - had an interview with a high ranking member of the military establishment....he suggested - quite strongly- that we take a closer look at Greek mythology.

This is from the book from Peter Levenda. They got the info from their "inside sources" to take a close look on greek mythology.They interpreted this as a hint that the greek gods were actual aliens and are still around .

Sounds like the plot of Prometheus tbh.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

You're suggesting the Collins Elite are both a fundamentalist Christian group, but also believe in the Greek Gods? Apologies if I've missed something but that doesn't seem remotely possible?

a reply to: ctj83

Are they only fundamentalist Christians?

You're suggesting the Collins Elite are both a fundamentalist Christian group, but also believe in the Greek Gods? Apologies if I've missed something but that doesn't seem remotely possible?

Yeah it's not an easy thing to put simply so I used what was suggested earlier in the thread.

The CE is an egregore first and foremost. The CE are members of a collective thought form. If one can step out of the egregores (collectives) and see them as individual "entities" then one can gather a few insights.

I'm no expert on philosophy yet I can see that the Greek method of thinking on an intellectual "level" is there. It forms a part of the egregore's infrastructure.

Egregores aren't that ancient, for humanity, oh about as long as intellectual (western(?)) thought has been around is my guess.

But what are egregores for?

Collective thinking? Yep. Collective consciousness? Yep. You'll find the collectives within egregores. Outside egregores it is networked consciousness. Surrounding the collectives is the All Seeing Eye an egregore itself that watches through the other egregores.

So what can we use a modern egregore for? I wonder. . . . .

I know, let's create a god. Modern Egregores can be used as incubators.

Build a thought form of a god, people pray and invest their hopes and sorrows. If occultly thinking people are involved then ritual practices and other arts too. Millions of people over centuries can build quite the thought form.

One should not think that an egregore is only built from within. As an individual in the world of "thought" and therefore it can be externally influenced, molded if you like from outside.

What happens when the thought form, the egregore gets a mind of it's own? Who controls whom?

People worry about AI (Artificial Intelligence) crossing the threshold of self awareness, that's nothing compared to an egregore (god).

Roots . . . . . origins . . . . .

What the individuals do or do not believe in is personal for them, but that does not mean other things are not to be found within the egregore. And the Greek gods didn't just pop into existence when Sparta was founded.

Nor did they disappear with the coming of the Romans.

Forgive my history. I have a layman's learning.

What I actually intended was to just give a heads up that some things in this world should not be poked with a sharp stick nor delved into too closely. The CE is one of those things.

Afterthought: I said The All Seeing Eye is an egregore. Part of it is, the part that watches. It has to be in order to see into the other egregores.

Now who or what is it that watches through that eye I wonder? In a way the Eye is an inversion of thought.

I'll leave you with that thought.

Time for a sabbatical from ATS methinks.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Thanks for that, very interesting.

I don't think you can say fundamentalist Christian and also a belief in Greek Gods. It's mutually incompatible, and it would also go against the CE identifying aliens and remote viewing as forms of demonic possession or intervention as described by Redfern, I suspect.

What I think you're talking about fits in better things described by Levanda, Crowly - and is closer to Gnostic belief than fundamentalism.

So it could well be a group with Gnostic beliefs / Aviary than CE in my opinion. Two different groups.

a reply to: ctj83

I don't know much about the CE, but I can see their egregore. But that is not to say it is their egregore exclusively for other groups such as the Avery(?) may form a part of that egregore too. My poor choice of words earlier.

If I were to take an educated guess then I would suggest they are all caught up in something bigger and they act and think accordingly as best they can.

Come to think of it that scenario may have been brought up here in this thread already..

I have read here on ATS that the CE believes daemons and gods as a source of the UFOs/aliens. One can intellectualize the subject of "aliens and UFOs" and arrive at civilized scientific concepts. One can also simply look at what (some?) of them do to people (and cattle maybe) and arrive at a very different conclusion. If your of a fundamentalist Christian upbringing and thinking then "daemons" is appropriate.

What I think you're talking about fits in better things described by Levanda, Crowly - and is closer to Gnostic belief than fundamentalism. So it could well be a group with Gnostic beliefs / Aviary than CE in my opinion. Two different groups.

Yes, my description fits the crow and that world, and yet I would suggest that that world is a big part of what is happening, probably because I am familiar with that world and can see the parallels.

Yes, I should have chosen my words with more care. and my only excuse is it is dangerous to go poking about in egregores, especially the dark secret ones.

Two years posting and threading with ATS and I need a holiday. Autumn is here and I have some cabbages to grow. So I'll leave you guys to it.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Thanks for the clarification - very helpful!

a reply to: mirageman

I'd like to make one very obvious point that i don't believe has been made.

All it takes is one strong and persuasive personality, a total nutjob say,
and before long you have many people "going along", and maybe even
believing it themselves eventually... most people are followers.

It only took one Puharic to start the ball rolling in intelligence/military circles.
It only took one Blavatasy to kickstart the New Age movement, and quite
interestingly she helped kick start Ufology too.

My point at this point of the thread, is that there might be just ONE DUDE
whose family is Greek, who happens to be big on the "Greek Gods",
and say Peter Levenda's book--- one of the major reason for it,
might have been to suck up to this one "Puharic-like" individual.

People think that the "government" is homogeneous.. that the "hidden college"
or "aviary" is homogeneous..

It's not true.

There are a few eccentric individuals with power, that affect everything..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I have to say, that these people in dark corners of power, if they really believe in Greek Gods seem to be nut cases to me.

Personally I prefer Roman Gods.



Note who is holding onto a musical instrument in the picture. I believe the correct term is a lyre. But make no mistake they are really after your lute.

Navy denies sending AATIP anything.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Thanks for the link. This gets curiouser and curiouser.

To give John Greenwald credit here. His FOIA request to the Department of the Navy on March 14th, 2018, which asked for the following: Photos, videos and report related to the “Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program” plus reporting procedures, manuals etc.

The response has resulted in yet another blank:

In the course of processing your FOIA request this office has contacted the most likely offices to hold such records of , Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) , Commander , Naval Air Forces Pacific (AIRPAC) and Chief of Naval Operations O ffice of Information Warfare (OPNAV N2/N6) to conduct a search for applicable records . Subsequently these Commands have searched their databases for records relating to " ... the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program ... " and have advised DN S-36 that they have found no records responsive to your request

Source and full text : www.theblackvault.com...

Great Zeus!