Paul Manafort sues Mueller and the DoJ

a reply to: luthier

The original jurisdiction is vague

It's actually not vague, it legally cannot be vague. There is a US Statute regarding that very subject. I linked it to you above.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: luthier

source for your statement?

What happened to all the geniuses saying he illegally got the gsa records as well?

That was sent to congress, you know the ones who have oversight of the gsa, by the attorney for the transition team. A lawsuit from the damaged will be following.
But you know this as your inlaws are actually in law.

Uh no,..like gowdy said it's up to the court not Congress...

I was actually going off former federal judge Napelitano..

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: shooterbrody

Yep. Even if nothing else comes of it, this proves that those who believed he had flipped and was involved in some deal were wildly mistaken.

There were rumors of Manafort filling suit, but for other reasons related to the search executed on his residence and what was seized.
Some of the same people involved with the investigation also allegedly illegally seized campaign transition information.
I would wager this is not the last of this legal battle.

You wouldn't file a lawsuit over that. You would file a motion in court to have the evidence suppressed.

a reply to: Vector99

Yet it is...

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

I had heard something about civil rights violations.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Vector99

I did champ. Also my father in law was a chief of staff for a state AG, my sister in law has three law degrees and teaches law,...

It ain't going nowhere. I would be willing to bet on it. It looks fancy and it fooled you I guess. He tries to create a legal precedence but it won't work. Mark my words. It's nearly impossible to fight vague investigative powers.

But you can hope and be impressed I can't atop you. Then complain it's rigged when it's thrown out.

Nice appeal to authority. Problem is it’s not your authority, it’s that of your family.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Vector99

Yet it is...

Wow seriously? No, it's not.

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Is specific, with the exception of "AND RELATED MATTERS", but that can be interpreted to collusion with Russia for the 2016 election.

The specific matter to investigate was the 2016 election. Tell me, what is Manafort being charged with that can tie to Russia and the 2016 election?

a reply to: luthier

gowdy said manafort was going to file suit?
or napelitano?
or you just pull that from within?


As to the gsa I understand the letter was sent to the body that has oversight. With no other charges filed and the holidays I don't know where that stands. Although I understand the next step would be for the damaged to file a suit, but that would involve an inventory of what was seized which I do not think exists at this time.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: angeldoll

That was a process crime.
Those are in the scope of the investigation.

Would you explain your idea on this in more detail?

I don't have time to play he said she said with the trump klan, bit I am making a prediction and will own it.

I predict this gets thrown out almost immediately (in legal terms under a month)

If I am wrong I will eat crow.if you experts are wrong I expect the same instead of the normal oh its rigged it's a deep state etc....

The doj gives a special council broad powers, they are limited, but manafort has no idea how his case fits into Mueller's larger investigation which males it even more of a hail Mary.

a reply to: angeldoll

perjury
it was a process crime to that investigation
much like what flynn plead to

what Manafort was indicted for was NOT a process crime
and Manforts suit claims it was OUTSIDE the SC scope, which will be an interesting debate

a reply to: shooterbrody

Both gowdy and napalitano dismissed the GSA email scandal..Gowdy said file in court we can't do anything, and the judge said Mueller had several avenues to get the emails. None illegal.

Now the GSA may have messed up and be in trouble but it doesn't effect Mueller at all.

a reply to: luthier

The doj gives a special council broad powers, they are limited, but manafort has no idea how his case fits into Mueller's larger investigation which males it even more of a hail Mary.

What does this even mean?
Unless you mean that Mueller only got an indictment to try to flip Manafort, which if so was a giant FAIL with this suit filed.

a reply to: shooterbrody

I doubt it ever see's a debate at all..

And I will own that when the time comes.

a reply to: shooterbrody

He has no idea how his financial crimes, which he feels are an over reach, fit into the broader investigation.

a reply to: luthier

Now the GSA may have messed up and be in trouble but it doesn't effect Mueller at all.

yeah Mueller has no ethics rules to follow
I linked them for you before
he has a responsibility for what he takes
guess what happens when he takes what he is not supposed to

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: luthier

Now the GSA may have messed up and be in trouble but it doesn't effect Mueller at all.

yeah Mueller has no ethics rules to follow
I linked them for you before
he has a responsibility for what he takes
guess what happens when he takes what he is not supposed to

He has the authority...

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: shooterbrody

He has no idea how his financial crimes, which he feels are an over reach, fit into the broader investigation.

The ones he discussed with the doj in 2014?
The ones discussed when trump was on wwe?

Yeah those are relevant to the scope of the SC in 2017........
Sell that crap elsewhere
The ONLY way it was relevant was if Mueller used it to flip Manafort, and it appears that is not happening.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Vector99

Yet it is...

Wow seriously? No, it's not.

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Is specific, with the exception of "AND RELATED MATTERS", but that can be interpreted to collusion with Russia for the 2016 election.

The specific matter to investigate was the 2016 election. Tell me, what is Manafort being charged with that can tie to Russia and the 2016 election?

Could it be how he used his contacts for influence?

Could it be also any crime related that is over turned during the invesrigation?

If you think that is a specific statute then you haven't ever read them.

a reply to: shooterbrody

So if this is thrown out you will say you were wrong?