Found a story about recovered UFO debris

double post

Past the edit deadline, but here's the photo I mentioned:



These are reportedly from the Russian crash and from the National Atomic Testing Museum

originally posted by: du Pelican Blanc
a reply to: abe froman
We are just now reading Jim's book. This is freaky stuff for sure!!

What is the name of Marrs' book?

a reply to: vlawde

Nice find and a better photo then the museum exhibit one.

Just my opinion here, but those rocks might be actual debris from the Height 611 UFO incident at Dalnegorsk in eastern Siberia.

There is a reason I say that.

For what it is worth, (and I know psychic is not science and is frowned upon in this Forum) there is a sentient presence with those rocks that is not the person holding them in their hand.

For those who are wondering what the Height 611 UFO incident was here is a link to an wikipedia article describing the event.

Wikipedia Height611


This second link is more detailed. However it is not a webpage as such, but leads to a PDF file. www.stealthskater.com Dalganorsk_01

The PDF is from an archive of UFO and and other weirdness called "The Stealthskater Archives". Here is a link to the Stealthskater UFO index page.

The website looks like it began in the 1990s and so the navigation is a little old fashioned. Here is a link for those interested in exploring The Stealthstalker Archives home page.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: CreationBro

reverse engineers other worldy craft.

how can you reverse engineer something wich breaks the laws of gravity and thermodynamics?
simple, its not technology

You know these things for sure?

The purpose of reverse engineering superior technology is to learn from it. That process is often little by little, as there are concepts that have yet to be understood by our engineers.

However, another reality of reverse engineering is the fact that we can copy cat something without fully understanding the science behind how it works.

For thousands of years humans have built and used things that they had very little idea as to the exact mechanisms behind how they operate.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: CreationBro

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Kalixi

I mean the first country to build a UFO could rule the world they could fly a fleet of them to Saudi Arabia and beam a message declaring Islam is false and to hand over their oil or face annihilation, fly to Russia and cause mass panic, fly to the US and declare an invasion.

There is a problem with so called " reverse engineering "

The raw materials would need to be available here on Earth.

I would doubt they are.

Sure there are.

Lawrence Livermore labs in California regularly reverse engineers other worldy craft.

Of course, you'd need a high level crypto clearance to know that, but hey, there ya go.

I genuinely don't know how to reply to that remark.

Well youre being honest and thats a good thing. I was being honest too 👍

originally posted by: Kalixi
If it were recovered from an intelligently controlled spacecraft, and could hold the key to Humans reverse engineering their own flying saucer; wouldn't it be super classified and housed in a millitary bunker?

I mean the first country to build a UFO could rule the world they could fly a fleet of them to Saudi Arabia and beam a message declaring Islam is false and to hand over their oil or face annihilation, fly to Russia and cause mass panic, fly to the US and declare an invasion.

Yep. If this were anything more than a story, the Government would have swept in and confiscated everything,just as soon as the test results were read.

I mean the first country to build a UFO could rule the world they could fly a fleet of them to Saudi Arabia and beam a message declaring Islam is false and to hand over their oil or face annihilation, fly to Russia and cause mass panic, fly to the US and declare an invasion.

I don't know why everyone seems to think human nature is destroy and conquer..

Here i am with lots of wisdom of the nature of god and existence, hoping everyone is on the same page

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: CreationBro

reverse engineers other worldy craft.

how can you reverse engineer something wich breaks the laws of gravity and thermodynamics?
simple, its not technology

what laws of gravity and thermodynamics are they breaking. for all we know they aren't using anti gravity at all. maybe they are just playing with stuff that to a layperson would look like gravity. I've left hints before but no one listens.

I just find it unbelievable that UFOs that travel through space on a galactic scale (supposedly) crash land here on Earth regularly (supposedly). I do believe in other life out there, the universe is way too big for us to be alone. But highly advanced civilisations coming here and crashing on a regular basis? Nah! Happens too often. They must buy their craft from China or somewhere.

Also, designs of UFOs make me doubt their existence. They all look like the designs fit into the world's architecture depending on what time they are/we're photographed. Compare UFOs from the 50s compared to those of other decades. They all look like they've been drawn up using shapes or angles that are similar to the buildings made during that time! They started off as saucers that looked ridiculous and I doubt any real alien ship designer would do that. Now they're elongated or sausage shaped! Surely aliens would've found the perfect design by now after hundreds of years in space, and would not change their designs so drastically after just a few decades. Even in space, there is enough drag in the vacuum to affect non streamlined ships doing whatever crazy speeds they do.

Alien visitors maybe, alien crashes.......nope! If it's ever happened, I reckon it's only happened the once. Just my two cents!

a reply to: Mogzy1977

Your not alone in your thinking there Mogzy1977. A lot of people are thinking along those lines.

Edit

This one has me intrigued though. If this is indeed the Dalnegorsk incident in the USSR it might actually be a failure of some kind.

From the Dornegorsk_01.pdf:

This UFO incident took place on January 29, 1986, at 7:55pm. Some have called it the Soviet Union's Roswell Incident.

Dalnegorsk is a small mining town in the Russian Far East. A reddish sphere flew into the town from a Southeastern direction, crossed the town, and crashed at Izvestkovaya Mountain (also known as "Hill 611"). The object flew noiselessly and parallel to the ground. It was some 10 feet in diameter, quite round with no projections or cavities, and its colour similar to that of burning stainless steel. An eyewitness -- V. Kandakov -- said that it slowly ascended and descended, and its glow would heat up every time it rose up. On its approach to 'Hill 611', the object "jerked" and fell down like a rock. A weak, muted thump was heard and it burned intensively at the cliff's edge for an hour.

. . . . .and from the same document:

Even though the Commission has recorded numerous cases going back to the 1970, it seems the most important incident so far was the crash of an unknown object on Dalnegorsk Hill 611 on January 29, 1986 at 7:55 pm.

On that date, according to one of the reports by Dvuzhilny:
"residents of the settlements observed a reddish-orange sphere the size of a half-Moon, which flew from the Southwest at 260 degrees. Its altitude was 700-800 meters. The flight was parallel to the surface of the Earth without the angles which are characteristic for meteorites. The witnesses heard absolutely no noises. The calculated speed by chronometer was 15 meters per second. There was no change of direction or of altitude."

The object then approached the Izvesrkovaya mountain (or 'Hill 611'), which has an elevation of 600 meters and is located at the center of the town.

"The object made a dive and went at an angle of 60-70 degrees on the cliff ledge, where it 'fell' and burned for one hour," continues the report. "Some of the witnesses affirm that it rose and lowered itself 6 times. And that its light was intensified during its rise and weakened during its lowering."

Dvuzhilny and his team arrived on the scene February 3, finding a number of physical traces which included Lead and Iron balls, bits of glass, a fine mesh or netting, traces of high-temperature activity, magnetic anomalies, and damage to nearby trees and stumps.

The materials have been analyzed by several laboratories from 3 Soviet academic centers and 11 research institutes. The results, however, have proven to be highly enigmatic, leading Dvuzhilny and other scientists to conclude that the Dalnegorsk object was probably an artificial space probe of non-terrestrial origin.

According to one report published in the newspaper Socialist Industry, "In the scales [or mesh], almost all the elements of the entire periodic table were found."

Spectral analysis of the Lead balls, for instance, showed that besides Lead, these contained Silicon (20%), Aluminum(10%), Iron(15%), Zinc(1.5%), Titanium(2%), Magnesium(1 %), and Silver(2%), as well as minute portions of Copper, Lantanium, Praseodymium, Calcium, Sodium, Vanadium, Cerium, Chrome, Cobalt, Nickel, and Molybdenum. The scales or "mesh" reacted in a very strange manner during the laboratory analysis.

The Socialist Industry report said one of the scientists (A. Makeev) "presented the roentgenological structural analysis and showed that from one scale -- after melting it in a vacuum -- all of a sudden Gold, Silver, and Nickel disappeared. But there appeared alpha-Titanium and Molybdenum. In another scale, the metals did not appear at all. And for some reason after the heating, there appeared Beryllium Sulphide."

There were still further surprises such as "6 areas of magnetized silica rock" (silica is a nonmagnetic material) found on the site.

This and other results were published by A. Petukhov and T. Faminskaya, members of the Council of Scientific and Engineering Societies' Commission on Paranormal Events.

"Vivid interest was also evoked by the mesh, a carbon-based composite of unknown origin," wrote Petukhov and Faminskaya. "The specimen was found to include quartz filaments 17 microns thick, and golden wires inside each filament."

Other anomalous effects included the blackened photos of 'Hill 611' taken by the researchers and the biological effects on the researchers themselves.

According to Petukhov and Faminskaya, "The researchers working at the site showed changes in their blood (a reduced count of leucocytes and platelets, changes in the structure of erythrocytes) and sensory disturbances."

Dvuzhilny described in more detail the medical investigation involving 5 researchers who spent considerable time at 'Hill 611' and a control group. All of this led some investigators to conclude that something alien had indeed crashed at 'Hill 611'.

V. Vysotsky, Doctor of Chemistry from Vlakivostok, stated:

"Undoubtedly, this is a high-technology product and not a thing of natural or terrestrial origin."

Dvuzhilny proposed that it was "an automatic scout probe" of alien origin and rejected the alternative hypothesis that it could have been a natural plasmoid. This hypothesis was proposed by a candidate of geological-mineralogical science, V.N. Salnikov. It was summarized by Yuri Rylkin -- a physiscist with the Tomsk Poltechnical Institure -- in a paper presented at the International UFO Congress in Frankfut in October of 1989.

"The Dalnegorsk object," wrote Rylkin, "represents a plasma formation on the base of electromagnetical structure -- called 'plasmoid' -- whose trajectory passed over geological breaking and parallel to high-voltage electrotransmission line. It is supposed that this plasmoid absorbed selectively some chemical elements -- for example, the noble and rare metals.

As Salnikov considers, such formations may be formed by litospherical waveguides or may appear in anomalous stressed geophysical fields near geological breakings."

We'll have more to say about these so-called plasmoids in this series' second part.

So a mining gadget maybe?

This particular part of the text above got my attention:

"The Dalnegorsk object," wrote Rylkin, "represents a plasma formation on the base of electromagnetical structure -- called 'plasmoid' -- whose trajectory passed over geological breaking and parallel to high-voltage electrotransmission line. It is supposed that this plasmoid absorbed selectively some chemical elements -- for example, the noble and rare metals.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

gotta love you sometimes Bass, you make me smile. Dont follow the money!! Follow the BassPlyr breadcrumbs!

Just another reason most ATS'ers should spend more time in the aircraft forums rather than the front page nonsense.

Just for interest.

Height 611 has a thread here on ATS

Where are the photos that are reported on the article?

Did someone erase it?

a reply to: CreationBro

there is little evidence for these claims

Earlier in this thread I said that there was, psychically speaking, a sentient presence with a photo of the debris.

Here is a "coincidence".

Link to that post here. That post is time-stamped 1110 hours.

At just after 1400 hours I get a phonecall. Family member admitted to hospital bleeding from eyes and nose. Still ongoing a day later at time oif this post.

The sentience presence in the debis is able to communicate simple thoughts and does so when I read through the Dalgegorsk document linked to here.

She (sentience accompanying debris photo) has so far communicated the following.

Sentience first words: " I am here."

"The Dalnegorsk object," wrote Rylkin, "represents a plasma formation on the base of electromagnetical structure -- called 'plasmoid' -- whose trajectory passed over geological breaking and parallel to high-voltage electrotransmission line. It is supposed that this plasmoid absorbed selectively some chemical elements -- for example, the noble and rare metals.

Sentience: " I do that."

"The object made a dive and went at an angle of 60-70 degrees on the cliff ledge, where it 'fell' and burned for one hour," continues the report. "Some of the witnesses affirm that it rose and lowered itself 6 times. And that its light was intensified during its rise and weakened during its lowering."

Sentience: "I could not lift and died."

The following has my comments in brackets.

She showed me a simple psychic view of a blackened area with depression (presumably the site of the explosion) with a blackened sphere.

Within the sphere was a white glow with a yellow hue. (Presumably her consciousness that survived the explosion.)

Suffice it to say; she (her consciousness) is no longer there.

This all happened in the three hour window yesterday.

I'll mention one more non-physical "encounter" with two visually indistinct small people.

After rescuing the sentience from the location and after her first words, two small people asked for her return. She indicated she wished to stay and not go back. That was before the bleeding incident at around 1230 hours.

Suffice it to say; they did not get her back.

So my educated guess here is that the ORB UFO in the Dalnegorsk incident at Height 611 has a living sentience with telepathic abilites as the operating system. This suggests the ORBs are in at least some cases unmanned.

I'll point out here that I don't question the sentience and only listen when she chooses to communicate a comment. She is also my guest until she chooses otherwise and I have no control over her. "They" left her for dead at the explosion location for nigh on 33 years (the arseholes) so they are not getting her back.

The situation is ongoing at this time and if you have read my posting history on ATS, you'll understand I'm not a stranger to this sort of thing.

I'll keep the thread here updated when I know more.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
For what it is worth, (and I know psychic is not science and is frowned upon in this Forum) there is a sentient presence with those rocks that is not the person holding them in their hand.

Well, there have been numerous "reports" indicating that real UFOs of the strange kind are actually kind of sort of half-alive. They're living machines in some way, and that's what enables them and their pilots to move between realities.

That's what I've read, anyway. I can't prove it.

a reply to: Mogzy1977

Maybe Earth is considered the place to dump old space craft for this area a space.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Same here Blue Shift. I am quite sure they are alive and "people" in themselves. Though they may not like their position as operating systems.