Records Found in Dusty Basement Undermine Decades of Dietary Advice Muh Cholesterol

a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

Did you know that the majority of the population is deficient in Potassium? Nobody I know eats 7-10 cups of veggies to get their 4700mg of Potassium a day.

I am and so are many others. A whole food plant based diet. Best way to go to deal with heart disease. So much misinformation out thre. If you want truth go on the forums where people are using this diet. It world countless successes stories. There is not another diet out there that wiil reverse heart disease. Which is the biggest killer in the world.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

And that’s how science works.

Always changing, always evolving.

Thats how science works: a wealthy industry realizes its poisonous, like sugar, then buys off the scientists and politicians to cover it up.

Yay science!

Interesting, if true... Linus Pauling linked heart disease (arterial sclerosis, specifically) to non-acute vitamin c deficiency, not to a diet with excess cholesterol, as I understand it.

a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

Wow... this part at the end of the article is disturbing:

The Frantz children always felt fortunate that their father brought his work home, his beliefs about the dangers of saturated fat shaping what the family ate. “Other kids would have ice cream; we had ice milk,” recalled Ivan Frantz. Bob said they were “reared on margarine,” foreswearing butter’s saturated fat.

It’s possible, Bob Frantz said, that his father’s team was discouraged by the failure to find a heart benefit from replacing saturated fats with vegetable oils. “My feeling is, when the overall objective of decreasing deaths by decreasing cholesterol wasn’t met, everything else became less compelling,” he said. “I suspect there was a lot of consternation about why” they couldn’t find a benefit.

So when the doctor couldn't use the study to push his beliefs, instead of changing his beliefs when he knew better, or reporting the results, he just dropped it.

I knew that Big Pharma does it for their bottom line... if their studies don't promote their best financial interests, the study is never seen or mentioned again. Confidentiality and nondisclosure clauses ensure that the public never knows. Big Pharma could literally discover a cure for cancer and legally hide that information from the world because if doesn't promote the financial interests of their shareholders.

I do hope RickyMouse weighs in here. He's full of valuable knowledge that he's gracious enough to share! But I tend to think that people are different and have different nutritional needs and even quirks. But for the greatest part, whole foods prepared from scratch in your own kitchen will always be best -- everything in moderation, and plenty of variety. Of course, even whole foods aren't what they used to be... Big sigh.

a reply to: purplemer

For one body type.

I eat a ketogenic diet, almost all animal based, and have reversed my heart problems too.

Humans arent stamped out of a press. We are all unique and sophisticated. There is no one size fits all

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Trump would be proud of you.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Trump would be proud of you.

Jesus, for one who was whining and moaning in my other thread about me not offering anything of substance in some of my posts, and then you posts those six words and call it done?
H Y P O C R I T E

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: purplemer

For one body type.

I eat a ketogenic diet, almost all animal based, and have reversed my heart problems too.

Humans arent stamped out of a press. We are all unique and sophisticated. There is no one size fits all

Agreed.

There is a rather obscure study done where a couple guys in the 1930's went on the eskimo diet for a decade I think it was with no ill effects if I remember correctly.

Here's a link I dug up on the subject.

inhumanexperiment.blogspot.ca...

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Trump would be proud of you.

A response that is well beneath you my friend.

I can prove that the sugar industry lobbied and played dirty pool to push a low fat diet and protect their industry. Its fairly common knowledge actually. So put the petty ad homs away and admit that science can be bought

a reply to: purplemer

Love having you back active on the forum!

IN AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH, it’s been understood for some time that many of our most important foods have been getting less nutritious. Measurements of fruits and vegetables show that their minerals, vitamin and protein content has measurably dropped over the past 50 to 70 years. Researchers have generally assumed the reason is fairly straightforward: We’ve been breeding and choosing crops for higher yields, rather than nutrition, and higher-yielding crops—whether broccoli, tomatoes, or wheat—tend to be less nutrient-packed.

In 2004, a landmark study of fruits and vegetables found that everything from protein to calcium, iron and vitamin C had declined significantly across most garden crops since 1950. The researchers concluded this could mostly be explained by the varieties we were choosing to grow.

Loladze and a handful of other scientists have come to suspect that’s not the whole story and that the atmosphere itself may be changing the food we eat. Plants need carbon dioxide to live like humans need oxygen. And in the increasingly polarized debate about climate science, one thing that isn’t up for debate is that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is rising. Before the industrial revolution, the earth’s atmosphere had about 280 parts per million of carbon dioxide. Last year, the planet crossed over the 400 parts per million threshold; scientists predict we will likely reach 550 parts per million within the next half-century—essentially twice the amount that was in the air when Americans started farming with tractors.

www.politico.com...

Guessing you may have missed this?
I found it both scary and educational.

In General the problem with telling people what and how to eat is that we're all individuals with different metabolisms. What works for you may not work for me, so any governmental advice is generalized beyond belief and fairly useless.
I'm very active, yet what worked for me 3 months ago isn't now cause my body has adjusted and I've "peaked".

So time to shake it up again.
If you look into the past, most people weren't overweight yet they ate pretty badly considering what is our current "norm". Lard, root vegetables, whatever meat they could afford. I've been looking at it and it's fascinating.

a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

If you eat only steaks for a year you gonna get scurvy, you need to eat all the animal to stay healthy, including the bones. the liver is the principal source of vitamin C if you eat only meat.

We are omnivorous, we need to eat all we can when its available, the problem is as we no longer live in a natural environment everything is available (if you got money) and we eat unnatural amounts.

originally posted by: bearclan
a reply to: Sapphire

So what is Trump's answer? Junkfood for everyone. LMAO.. That sure helped his overweight orange ass..LOL

When he starts forcing everyone to have through regulation, I can gin up some outrage over it. That was the main problem I had with what Michelle O did, not her crusade to promote healthy lunches.

As soon as Trump regulations his diet into the schools and makes every kid eat it, you have a point. Also, last time I checked, Obama ate about as healthy as Trump did every time he got away from Michelle and her diet prescriptions. It's just that the press didn't think it was worth making a big deal over.

And Bill Clinton was a notoriously bad eater.

a reply to: vonclod

I take both magnesium and potassium supplements on occasion. They help with migraines.

a reply to: Caver78

Thank you for your post and all the best to the coming year.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I eat a ketogenic diet, almost all animal based, and have reversed my heart problems too. Humans arent stamped out of a press. We are all unique and sophisticated. There is no one size fits all

Thank you for your reply. If the glove fits wear it. I did not know that was possible. Well done to you and a happiness in the new year.

a reply to: Caver78

This.

Generally, we gave up on trying to follow what everyone else says is good for you, and we just find things we like and try to cook most of our stuff from scratch so we know what goes into it.

We shop the perimeter of the grocery store before we hit the aisles every week, and we always hit produce first, followed by seafood, followed by meat. So most of our budget is gone by the time we leave those with a good third to half being eaten by produce.

We know of two butchers who both sell locally sourced meats, and we frequent them for more specialized cuts and sizes.

And we have a large farmers market that we hit up a lot in the summer for local produce and fruit, especially those little Missouri peaches!

But we just stopped trying to measure, weigh and quantify long ago. As my weight is more or less stable and my blood pressure is low, it seems to be working.

I hear that bears are high in cholesterol, sodium and potassium.

a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

it's no surprise to me. Dietary science is really not that old or developed. Diets vary around the world and what is good in some instances might not be so good in others. We still don't understand sodium completely. source But we are trying. It's just difficult to put every dietary item into a neat folder.

It was all a lie started by the vegetable oil companies and cereal companies. The evidence was selectively misinterpreted to make what they sell look better. The deception of the public is not new, it has been going on for many decades.

Too much lectins found in plants is bad for most people. Gluten contains the lectins in wheat. Here is an article, I usually do not quote Mercola, but this article is a simplified version of plant defense chemistry. articles.mercola.com...

Remember, the action of the lectins is also related to the albumin of stuff like milk and egg white which can also be problematic for some people. Some people can also not eat rare meats, the albumin in the meat can cause them discomfort in the guts, it is not always psychological that they are complaining about the meat being under cooked.

Potato lectins can actually be good for some people, solanine can actually help to treat cognition in alzheimer and dementia. But some people cannot tolerate this too well, everyone's metabolism is a little different. Potato plant defense chemicals are moderate. lasting about a day, inhibitors of acetylcholineseterase.....ACHE. ACHE inhibitor meds are used to treat dementias sometimes, other times there are medicines that promote enzymes that increase production of acetylcholine. I have not studied how the third class of alzheimer meds work yet.www.downloads.imune.net... over%20growth%20and%20nerval%20disease.pdf

People have been conditioned to avoid certain foods like the potato yet it actually keeps our neurotransmitters in balance. Same with tobacco chemistry, it is a powerful medicine yet even though many drugs are designed off of nicotine chemistry they keep calling it bad for people....then sell people meds to treat their mental problems. The problem is that People get too obsessed with tobacco then avoid the natural chemistries that help to balance things. A glass of OJ or some potatoes can supply that needed chemistry sometimes, so can a hot pickled egg with some veggies in it..

Society keeps getting BSed into believing things that are not totally true, usually someone profits by it too.

this is why baby boomers have Alzheimer's at such high rates